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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 7311239" data-attributes="member: 262433">I'm only gonna comment on some of the things, coz this is getting tiresome, and we are going in circles.You are so smart that you just did not realize you contradicted yourself. Without just babbling useless words, take a little time to think what something means.There is a reason for modern Governments to define a legal age for an adult. That is because they consider them to be mentally capable of taking a decision without the help of an adult at a certain age. And yes this age is relative to the time, politics. This goes for reproduction also. Most of the sane people in the world have agreed that a person reach the physical and mental capacity of reproduction at a certain age, they define this age as adulthood and that is why they have legislated laws to minimize marriages before a certain age. Hence having sex with a girl who has not reached that age with or without her consent is rape. Now you say when the politics change, the laws will change. So you are saying that since the laws are not absolute, i.e since they change over time, my response is utter nonsense.Now here's how you contradict yourself.More than once you state that laws,customs are relative and can change with time. In fact that is how you defend your prophets action of marrying a child of age 6. You say by those days laws it was ok. And now you say since laws change, over time my response is utter nonsense.Congrats by contradicting yourself you just showed how smart you are.. (Claps)Laws do change over time. That is why I'm talking about laws in today's world. And they are the frame for defining an adult. At least that is what sane people believe. An adult is physically+mentally adult in my( and those people who make laws) definition.Puberty and adulthood are two things. Reaching puberty does not mean she reached adulthood. i.e she is no longer a child. I never said the age someone reach puberty is 18. Having sex with a child with or without her consent is sick.Thank you very much for bringing this up. Another good example to say why Islam is pure nonsense and full of contradictions.I must congratulate you again here, not only you contradicted yourself, but you contradicted prophet Muhammad and thereby quran also with this.(1) According to this (In  Islamic legal definition, puberty (bulugh) is determined by one of the  followings<img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy    :)" data-shortname=":)" />)So 'one of the followings' are given in 3 cases. Means case 1 or case 2 or case 3(see above). So according to this, a girl is considered to have reached puberty when she reach age 9(case 1) or when she go through internal changes(case 2) or when she go through physical changes(case 3). Disregard she gets her first menstruation or not if she has reached age 9, she is considered to have reached puberty(Adult in Islamic sense). This is completely new to me. Until now I thought at least they wait until her body begins the puberty process. But no, even if it is not the case she is considered(What a sick thing to do) to have reached puberty at the age of 9.(2) This is one of your posts.Muhammad married Aisha at the age of 6. She had not reached any of the given conditions.So by that time, she had not reached puberty according to the above Islam laws. It is clear that Muhammad himself had disobeyed Islamic laws, according to you. Or, if Muhammad himself is the law, contradicted himself or quran.According to what you have REPEATEDLY said(Marrying before puberty is wrong), what Muhammad did(Married Aisha before puberty) was wrong.I'm eagerly waiting for your answer. Rest of the stuff is not important and will only make my reply longer.Thanks I read it, and now clearly understand Islam is all about contradictions and sick ideas(I mean considering a girl who is not even menstruating an adult and having sex with her?? That is sick).</blockquote>

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