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<blockquote data-quote="LiliWang" data-source="post: 7493348" data-attributes="member: 281814"><p>I could tell you also because of the very nature/biology inside our body suggests that there is a god. However, you said that you have already heard the science behind things and it doesn't make sense.</p><p></p><p>I could tell you that by the feelings I obtain points me to a god, but you've heard this already and it so too does not make sense to you.</p><p></p><p>I could also say by faith I understand that there is a god, but this concept might be even harder for you to grasp. </p><p></p><p>So AG, yes, I am also saying because there is evil in this world, so too must there be another essence that opposes it. A being that we can call on for deliverance. Even in the law of science states that for every action there's an opposite reaction. </p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Why? I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself and deciding what is good and what is evil. Why should there be some unknown being to guide me?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p>My stone age ancestors are Caribs, they ate human beings. They were governed by no Bible or any moral books. They thought it was normal to eat anything they so desired. Do you think it's right to eat human beings? Granted that you grew up alone in a jungle without laws and regulations, what makes you think you'd know exactly what is right and what is wrong? The laws don't steal, don't kill are laws directly taken from the Bible. An ancient book, which even archeologists whom do not believe in god do not oppose its validity. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I say GOD is bad because he being omnimax, should not have created evil in the first place. He should not have designed a place where people suf</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">fer.</span></span></p><p>God did not create evil, He created free will. We took our own free will and choose to do ill with it.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">And why did he create devil and more importantly if he is so bad, why he is not getting rid of him?</span></span> The devil created himself by taking his free will to do wicked things. Well, you know already I do believe in God. I believe He created me, so thus since I am the creation, I cannot always discern what the creator is up to. However, I would imagine that He has not gotten 'rid' of the devil because of the free we have in us. I would think that He wants us to use our free will to have faith in Him and His work and love others as we love our selves. The others that choose otherwise will just stick with the devil.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Exactly. Humans wanted to worship something. Seems like they created GOD.</span></span></p><p>That still leaves the question, who created human beings? If it is your faith that we were all fishes and then turned into human beings, then who created the fishes? If it is your belief that we just magically appeared onto the face of this earth, then I'd say that you and all others that do not believe in divinity have more faith than the ones who do. To believe that something erupted from nothing is beyond me.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This argument does not make sense. Most people are self centered. it has nothing to do with religion.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p>Yes, it has nothing to do with religion. However, it is a result of a lacking relationship. As I've said before. I believe Jesus Christ is love. People are self-centred because they don't understand love to begin with. Most do not believe in Jesus Christ because they can't comprehend how an innocent being would die for another, die for the world. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> Then saying having a self centered nature is a result of GOD's presence is just well highly illogical.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p></p><p>This is not what I am saying. I'm saying folks are self-centred because they think the world revolves around them, they think they are the god of their own lives. That they control everything. However, we all fall so often, how can one continue to think their in control if they don't even succeed in their pursuits. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You too. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">More I learn about GOD, more it does not make sense. If people cannot give a logical answer to the simplest thing, How do you know GOD is there, to a non believer, it really begs the question, Is GOD really there???</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p></p><p>You'll never find God in the box that you want Him to be in. Think about it, if there is a god, (I strongly believe there is), but let's just take it from your perspective, if there is a god, a king of the universe, the maker of all sorts of complicated biological elements inside the bodies of organisms, why do you think that he should be so simple in understanding, simple in finding? </p><p>How do you know your parents love you AG? </p><p></p><p></p><p>Keep searching AG. There is a video in this forum: <a href="http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155845&highlight=creator" target="_blank">http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155845&highlight=creator</a> </p><p></p><p>It's called the Case for a Creator. It was written from the perspective of a serious non god believing science researcher... I'll look for it and post it back here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LiliWang, post: 7493348, member: 281814"] I could tell you also because of the very nature/biology inside our body suggests that there is a god. However, you said that you have already heard the science behind things and it doesn't make sense. I could tell you that by the feelings I obtain points me to a god, but you've heard this already and it so too does not make sense to you. I could also say by faith I understand that there is a god, but this concept might be even harder for you to grasp. So AG, yes, I am also saying because there is evil in this world, so too must there be another essence that opposes it. A being that we can call on for deliverance. Even in the law of science states that for every action there's an opposite reaction. [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Why? I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself and deciding what is good and what is evil. Why should there be some unknown being to guide me? [/SIZE][/FONT] My stone age ancestors are Caribs, they ate human beings. They were governed by no Bible or any moral books. They thought it was normal to eat anything they so desired. Do you think it's right to eat human beings? Granted that you grew up alone in a jungle without laws and regulations, what makes you think you'd know exactly what is right and what is wrong? The laws don't steal, don't kill are laws directly taken from the Bible. An ancient book, which even archeologists whom do not believe in god do not oppose its validity. [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I say GOD is bad because he being omnimax, should not have created evil in the first place. He should not have designed a place where people suf[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]fer.[/SIZE][/FONT] God did not create evil, He created free will. We took our own free will and choose to do ill with it. [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]And why did he create devil and more importantly if he is so bad, why he is not getting rid of him?[/SIZE][/FONT] The devil created himself by taking his free will to do wicked things. Well, you know already I do believe in God. I believe He created me, so thus since I am the creation, I cannot always discern what the creator is up to. However, I would imagine that He has not gotten 'rid' of the devil because of the free we have in us. I would think that He wants us to use our free will to have faith in Him and His work and love others as we love our selves. The others that choose otherwise will just stick with the devil. [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Exactly. Humans wanted to worship something. Seems like they created GOD.[/SIZE][/FONT] That still leaves the question, who created human beings? If it is your faith that we were all fishes and then turned into human beings, then who created the fishes? If it is your belief that we just magically appeared onto the face of this earth, then I'd say that you and all others that do not believe in divinity have more faith than the ones who do. To believe that something erupted from nothing is beyond me. [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]This argument does not make sense. Most people are self centered. it has nothing to do with religion. [/SIZE][/FONT] Yes, it has nothing to do with religion. However, it is a result of a lacking relationship. As I've said before. I believe Jesus Christ is love. People are self-centred because they don't understand love to begin with. Most do not believe in Jesus Christ because they can't comprehend how an innocent being would die for another, die for the world. [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] Then saying having a self centered nature is a result of GOD's presence is just well highly illogical. [/SIZE][/FONT] This is not what I am saying. I'm saying folks are self-centred because they think the world revolves around them, they think they are the god of their own lives. That they control everything. However, we all fall so often, how can one continue to think their in control if they don't even succeed in their pursuits. [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] You too. More I learn about GOD, more it does not make sense. If people cannot give a logical answer to the simplest thing, How do you know GOD is there, to a non believer, it really begs the question, Is GOD really there??? [/SIZE][/FONT] You'll never find God in the box that you want Him to be in. Think about it, if there is a god, (I strongly believe there is), but let's just take it from your perspective, if there is a god, a king of the universe, the maker of all sorts of complicated biological elements inside the bodies of organisms, why do you think that he should be so simple in understanding, simple in finding? How do you know your parents love you AG? Keep searching AG. There is a video in this forum: [url]http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155845&highlight=creator[/url] It's called the Case for a Creator. It was written from the perspective of a serious non god believing science researcher... I'll look for it and post it back here. [/QUOTE]
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