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<blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 7497752" data-attributes="member: 262433"><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The opposite of evil is good. I still don't see where the GOD comes to play a part in that. You assume GOD created good and free will. That is perfectly alright. But my question is why you say that? If assumptions are all you have, it is not gonna help me, you understand that right LiliWang? We cannot go forward with an assumption "GOD created world". If I'm willing to accept that assumption I don't need to ask questions from you. But there's something we can do, we can come to the conclusion, that the way you know GOD is there, fall in to the above three categories I mentioned in the first post. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Ok let me get this straight, First you say that eating human beings is wrong. Then you say what makes me think that I exactly know what is right and wrong? So let me ask the question, what makes you think you know exactly what is right and wrong? You reply suggests that humans do not have a sense on what is right and what is wrong. So yeah, I say Caribs eating humans are maybe right. I mean you don't know right from wrong. Only GOD knows it. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You see the above reply to me clearly suggests that you know the boundaries of right and wrong. You feel that eating human flesh is wrong. The sense of morality is built in to you. But yet you refuse to believe that you are moral enough to make the decision between what is right and wrong, you give that responsibility to a GOD, whom you have never seen, whom you know exists only by assuming he exists. But I do not do that, I say I'm capable of understanding what is good and bad. Something that does not hurt others intentionally is good. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Saying that laws like do not eat, do not kill are taken directly from the bible is just lack of your knowledge(Please do not take any offense), Look in to hinduism and you will see those laws were established in the hindu society more than 6000 years ago. The laws were developed independently among human societies because humans do have a sense in what is wrong and right.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Bilble is an old book, but "vedas" were written 1500 years before bible. Check it out.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I don't get it. Are you saying that my life is not predetermined by GOD? He doesn't know what I'm gonna end up with, where I'm gonna end up?</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So the GOD who is omnibenevolence would rather let millions of people suffer for an eternity in hell, than getting rid of one person(devil)? He'd rather watch people exercise free will and suffer? Does that sound like a good person to you? I say GOD is bad. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Wow really??? I thought that you believed GOD erupted from nothing. Or are you saying that GOD has a creator???</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">True to some extent. But I'd say people are self centered because it is their nature. There is a rule in the nature that says, ensure your survival, nothing goes beyond that. To do that people must be self centered, its on their genes..</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I believe that Jesus Christ existed. There are so many evidence to say that he did. I can comprehend how an innocent being would die for another, My country had a war for 26 years and so many innocent people(soldiers) sacrificed themselves for us. But just because that happened I did not jump in to the conclusion that GOD is there. I believe jesus is just a man.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I cannot agree. People are self centered because that is their nature. Nothing more.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Well how can one continue to think that when he fails again and again and again, that there is a person who wants nothing but good for you is looking over you??</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">True. But if GOD is everywhere, I should find him where I look for him right? Your method is based on faith, your whole belief system is faith. I just cant base something in faith. Faith is a word you use when you can't explain something with reasonable logic. My quest is more like, understanding why people believe in GOD, and thereby try to see whether there is any sense to it, Is there a possibility for GODs existence? Right now I think the probability is closer to zero(My opinion).</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The fact that someone created something complex has no relevance to "whether he would be simple in understanding or not". But I agree, that it is not simple.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Because they do not threaten to lock me in the basement for an eternity, just because I refuse to believe in them and love them back.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Thanks I will look at it. </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AncientGlory, post: 7497752, member: 262433"] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]The opposite of evil is good. I still don't see where the GOD comes to play a part in that. You assume GOD created good and free will. That is perfectly alright. But my question is why you say that? If assumptions are all you have, it is not gonna help me, you understand that right LiliWang? We cannot go forward with an assumption "GOD created world". If I'm willing to accept that assumption I don't need to ask questions from you. But there's something we can do, we can come to the conclusion, that the way you know GOD is there, fall in to the above three categories I mentioned in the first post. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Ok let me get this straight, First you say that eating human beings is wrong. Then you say what makes me think that I exactly know what is right and wrong? So let me ask the question, what makes you think you know exactly what is right and wrong? You reply suggests that humans do not have a sense on what is right and what is wrong. So yeah, I say Caribs eating humans are maybe right. I mean you don't know right from wrong. Only GOD knows it. You see the above reply to me clearly suggests that you know the boundaries of right and wrong. You feel that eating human flesh is wrong. The sense of morality is built in to you. But yet you refuse to believe that you are moral enough to make the decision between what is right and wrong, you give that responsibility to a GOD, whom you have never seen, whom you know exists only by assuming he exists. But I do not do that, I say I'm capable of understanding what is good and bad. Something that does not hurt others intentionally is good. Saying that laws like do not eat, do not kill are taken directly from the bible is just lack of your knowledge(Please do not take any offense), Look in to hinduism and you will see those laws were established in the hindu society more than 6000 years ago. The laws were developed independently among human societies because humans do have a sense in what is wrong and right. Bilble is an old book, but "vedas" were written 1500 years before bible. Check it out. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I don't get it. Are you saying that my life is not predetermined by GOD? He doesn't know what I'm gonna end up with, where I'm gonna end up?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]So the GOD who is omnibenevolence would rather let millions of people suffer for an eternity in hell, than getting rid of one person(devil)? He'd rather watch people exercise free will and suffer? Does that sound like a good person to you? I say GOD is bad. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Wow really??? I thought that you believed GOD erupted from nothing. Or are you saying that GOD has a creator???[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]True to some extent. But I'd say people are self centered because it is their nature. There is a rule in the nature that says, ensure your survival, nothing goes beyond that. To do that people must be self centered, its on their genes..[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I believe that Jesus Christ existed. There are so many evidence to say that he did. I can comprehend how an innocent being would die for another, My country had a war for 26 years and so many innocent people(soldiers) sacrificed themselves for us. But just because that happened I did not jump in to the conclusion that GOD is there. I believe jesus is just a man. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I cannot agree. People are self centered because that is their nature. Nothing more.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Well how can one continue to think that when he fails again and again and again, that there is a person who wants nothing but good for you is looking over you??[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]True. But if GOD is everywhere, I should find him where I look for him right? Your method is based on faith, your whole belief system is faith. I just cant base something in faith. Faith is a word you use when you can't explain something with reasonable logic. My quest is more like, understanding why people believe in GOD, and thereby try to see whether there is any sense to it, Is there a possibility for GODs existence? Right now I think the probability is closer to zero(My opinion).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]The fact that someone created something complex has no relevance to "whether he would be simple in understanding or not". But I agree, that it is not simple.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Because they do not threaten to lock me in the basement for an eternity, just because I refuse to believe in them and love them back.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Thanks I will look at it. [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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