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RE: Lord Buddha's arguments against GOD
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<blockquote data-quote="ela_eluwa120" data-source="post: 12354586" data-attributes="member: 193664"><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">GOD: I know, that sounds sort of blasphemous, doesn’t it? It almost involves a logical paradox! On the one hand, as you have been taught, it is morally wrong for any sentient being to claim that I am capable of making mistakes. On the other hand, I have the right to do anything. But I am also a sentient being. So the question is, Do I do or do I not have the right to claim that I am capable of making mistakes?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">MORTAL: That is a bad joke! One of your premises is simply false. I have not been taught that it is wrong for any sentient being to doubt your</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Omniscience, but only for a mortal to doubt it. But since you are not mortal, then you are obviously free from this injunction.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">GOD: Good, so you realize this on a rational level. Nevertheless, you did appear shocked when I said “I am always glad to learn from my mistakes.”</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">MORTAL: Of course I was shocked. I was shocked not by your self-blasphemous (as you jokingly called it), not by the fact that you had no right to say it, but just by the fact that you did say it, since I have been taught that as a matter of fact you don’t make mistakes. So I was amazed that you claimed that it is possible for you to make mistakes.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">GOD: I have not claimed that it is possible. All I am saying is that if I made mistakes, I will be happy to learn from them. But this says nothing about whether the if has or ever can be realized.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">MORTAL: Let’s please stop quibbling about this point. Do you or do you not admit it was a mistake to haven given me free will?</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">GOD: Well now, this is precisely what I propose we should investigate. Let me review your present predicament. You don’t want to have free will because with free will you can sin, and you don’t want to sin. (Though I still find this puzzling; in a way you must want to sin, or you wouldn’t. But let this pass for now.) On the other hand, if you agreed to give up free will, then you would now be responsible for the acts of the future. Ergo, I should never have given you free will in the first place.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">MORTAL: Exactly!</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">GOD: I understand exactly how you feel. </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Red">Many mortals -- even some theologians – have complained that I have been unfair in that it was I, not they, who decided that they should have free will and since then I hold them responsible for their actions. In other words, they feel that they are expected to live up to a contract with me which they never agreed to in the first place.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ela_eluwa120, post: 12354586, member: 193664"] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3]GOD: I know, that sounds sort of blasphemous, doesn’t it? It almost involves a logical paradox! On the one hand, as you have been taught, it is morally wrong for any sentient being to claim that I am capable of making mistakes. On the other hand, I have the right to do anything. But I am also a sentient being. So the question is, Do I do or do I not have the right to claim that I am capable of making mistakes? MORTAL: That is a bad joke! One of your premises is simply false. I have not been taught that it is wrong for any sentient being to doubt your[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] Omniscience, but only for a mortal to doubt it. But since you are not mortal, then you are obviously free from this injunction.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] GOD: Good, so you realize this on a rational level. Nevertheless, you did appear shocked when I said “I am always glad to learn from my mistakes.”[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] MORTAL: Of course I was shocked. I was shocked not by your self-blasphemous (as you jokingly called it), not by the fact that you had no right to say it, but just by the fact that you did say it, since I have been taught that as a matter of fact you don’t make mistakes. So I was amazed that you claimed that it is possible for you to make mistakes.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] GOD: I have not claimed that it is possible. All I am saying is that if I made mistakes, I will be happy to learn from them. But this says nothing about whether the if has or ever can be realized.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] MORTAL: Let’s please stop quibbling about this point. Do you or do you not admit it was a mistake to haven given me free will?[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] GOD: Well now, this is precisely what I propose we should investigate. Let me review your present predicament. You don’t want to have free will because with free will you can sin, and you don’t want to sin. (Though I still find this puzzling; in a way you must want to sin, or you wouldn’t. But let this pass for now.) On the other hand, if you agreed to give up free will, then you would now be responsible for the acts of the future. Ergo, I should never have given you free will in the first place.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] MORTAL: Exactly![/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3] GOD: I understand exactly how you feel. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3][COLOR=Red]Many mortals -- even some theologians – have complained that I have been unfair in that it was I, not they, who decided that they should have free will and since then I hold them responsible for their actions. In other words, they feel that they are expected to live up to a contract with me which they never agreed to in the first place.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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