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This does not say that there is nothing called reality.
This only says the western liberalism totally over looks the possibility of socialism
mama kiwwe ee kotasa nemey machan,oya medde thiyena cheede mul vkya deka gena

"yatharthaya yanuwen apeth thorawa.......*

oya kiyapu dee gena sampurna vithara karanna giyoth hena hellak liyanna onee,

eakata liyapu article thiyenwa, one nam mama meake dannam ,ewa thiyenne manasa gena kathaa karana articl wala madde



Wrong. This does not mean that there is nothing called reality or realism. It only means that these theologies try to explain reality only with respect to that particular concept.
What we must understand from it is that these are not the true definition of reality or realism.


ow, eath mehema yatharthaya gena kiyana theory boru nam yatharthayak gena kiyanne kohomada?.anith eka yarthaya kiyana eewa 10k 12k beane thiyenwa nam ekay thiyenna onnee,(oya yatharthaya kiyana eke theruma danna ethi kiyala mama hithanawa)

mee yatharthaya gena kiyala theory eththa nemey nisa kohomada yatharthayk thiyenwa kiyala ganne?denata loke yathaaarthaya gena kiyana eewa ochchara nam thiyenne eewa boru nam yarthayath boru,yarthayak kiyala ekak thiyenwa nam eaka kiyanna puluwan wenne one kiyanna beri nam ehema ekak nee,

meaka api mee lipiya kiyawala therum ganna one deyak,
yatharthaya kiyana wachaneth minissuma hadapu ekak eaka kagewath indrayanta asuwela neane ,yatharthaya gena kiyanneth oya boru wechcha therory walinne,ithin yatharthayak koheda thiyenne?


yatharthaya kiyana wachane thaaruma hariyata dannawanm meaka theerum ganna lesiy(visheeshayen sinhala baudhayanta)
 
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Scarface said:
Thanks tharinda :)
mage ideas upgrade kara ganna puluwan weida balanda onne . :D


mee article eken lokuwata upgrade kara ganna nam bee,meake thiyennee yatharthawada genane,yatharthawada gena deneuma nan wedi karaganna puluwan :)
 

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Is there a reality?




Is there a reality? Is there an ultimate truth? If so what is reality, what is the ultimate truth? Can we know about this reality? Is logical positivism (Logical empiricism) a way of understanding or explaining that reality or the truth? Can there be a reality according to Buddhism? These are some of the philosophical questions humans pondered for ages. When I was young I had a pre-conceived idea that ultimately modern science would be able to explain everything in the universes. At a certain time logical positivism seemed to explain a lot of questions I had. So it is inevitable to think that it would explain the ultimate. As time went by, a drastic change in my life and in my ideas occurred as a result of a single book, which now has become my "bible". The book is called "Mage Lokaya" (My World) by Professor Nalin de Silva.


Recently the staunch dialectic materialist, Vickramabahu Karunaratne seems to have undertaken the nugatory attempt of critiquing Professor Nalin de Silva's 'Mage Lokaya', the book which is the first step towards a new philosophy (paticasampuppadin). According to this confused Marxist/Materialist and his so-called Buddhist-idealist scholars, Professor Nalin's "Mage Lokaya" is nothing more than an idealistic point of view (vinnanavadi) of the world. Also, they attempt to show how Professor Nalin's philosophy is against the contemporary Buddhist ideology and question its epistemological validity. But they never have or will not be able to give a translucent explanation or a proof from where they stand in their beliefs.


In one of his recent article Vikramabahu Karunaratne says that he had already answered (interpreted) Professor Nalin's "Mage Lokaya". The truth of the matter is that the idealists and the materialists have yet to answer any of the questions Professor Nalin has put forward in a lucid form. If there is a reality apart from the mind, how can one show that it exists apart from the mind? Did Buddha ever mention attaining Nibbana is the realization of an ultimate truth (ultimate happiness is different from an ultimate truth)? According to Abhidhamma Supra-mundane Nibbana is the only absolute reality. How ever it does not mean the understanding of an absolute reality or an objective reality. How can one say that with the help of science we are getting closer to the truth while we don't even know what that truth is? These are some of the basic questions which the materialists and idealists have yet to comment on.

Anyone who reads the book with a rational mind can understand that Professor Nalin's new philosophy is neither idealistic nor materialistic. Furthermore, the primary goal of the book is to deny any sort of an idealism or materialism.


The materialists from the west and the east attempted to reduce all phenomena to a materialist base. On the other hand, Buddhist idealists and the western (Greeks) idealists wanted to show that the so-called material world is a creation of the mind. In "Mage Lokaya" Professor Nalin presents a different approach to both idealists and materialists point of views. This approach is being called the constructive relativism (CR) (nirmanathmaka sapekshythawadaya). This ideology (chinthanaya) goes parallel with the Theravada view of the "world" is due to anicca (impermanence), dukka (suffering), anatma (soullessness) and sunya (nothing: not to be confused with the Madhyamika concept of nothingness, sunyatawa). So in constructive relativism, what the world as an observer "sees" is solely created by the observer due to the ignorance (avidya) of anicca, dukka and anatma. Also, according to constructive relativism, anicca, dukka, anatma, shunya and Nibbana are not concepts. In a nutshell, according to constructive relativism nothing is "real", even the so-called mind does not exist. What does it mean anicca, dukka, anatma are not concepts? It means that they cannot be grasped by the so-called mind either in terms of other concepts or as an image. I think it is clear to everyone how the materialist point of view differs from constructive relativism. Now, how is the idealist point of view differs from constructive relativism? According to CR, the mind is also a creation of the mind. Then the view of mind being supreme or the mind creates everything could not be right. The denial of the mind comes at the very end of non-conceptual realization of anicca, dukka and anatma. Until that the term mind is being used to present the flux or the stream of 'cittas'. In this view the mind is not an absolute and does not have an independent existence.


Constructive relativism states that the world is nothing but a creation of the observer, and that the world is same as the knowledge of the world. In this approach it is not assumed that a world exist independent of the observer who attempts to gather "information" of an already existing world. The observer creates the knowledge of the world, and hence the world is relative to the culture, sense organs and the mind of the observer. The world is a conceptual creation of the observer.

Then the non-conceptual understanding of anicca, dukka and anatma leads to supreme bliss or in other words attaining Nibbana. At this point the mind is also considered to be non-existing (also at this point there is no "person"). In that view Professor Nalin describes attaining Nibbana as knowing the non-existing mind is a non-existing mind by the non-existing mind. It is hard for us lay people to grasp this idea since it transcends the limits of thought. Also the cyclic nature and the use of four fold logic makes this new philosophy a unique philosophy which in accord with early Buddhism. Until we destroy the I (ness), mamatvaya, we will have difficulty of fully understanding or comprehending this new philosophy.




Akila Weerasekera
USA


for more details -
constructive relativism (CR) (nirmanathmaka sapekshythawadaya)
 

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    each philosophical theory by various people may define 'Reality' in various ways..... its your choice to accept the most likely one that fits your belief...its simple as that :)
     
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    Yatharthaya.
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    Aththe ek Yatharthayak wuwada
    wiwidhartha vadie pudgalayan resak saha
    owunta savan dennan dahas ganan pudgalayan athi wita
    dahas ganan yatharatha athivi thibe.

    :)
     

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    earthling said:
    each philosophical theory by various people may define 'Reality' in various ways..... its your choice to accept the most likely one that fits your belief...its simple as that :)

    CR anuwa reality ekek nee kiyala sangathawa oppu karala iwaray,eaka kawruwath thaama boruy kiyala oppu karala nee(mee awrudu 20ta),eaka nisa reality kiyala ekak nee
     

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    AtulaSiriwardane said:
    Yatharthaya.
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    Aththe ek Yatharthayak wuwada
    wiwidhartha vadie pudgalayan resak saha
    owunta savan dennan dahas ganan pudgalayan athi wita
    dahas ganan yatharatha athivi thibe.

    :)
    yatharthayak nometha kiyala constructive relativism(CR) walin oppu karala godak kal
    ,

    eaka nisa yatharthayak netha

    puluwannam CR boruy kiyala oppu karanna,(yatharthayak thiyenawa kiyala) lipiyak liyanna,

    liyala meaketh danna vidusareth danna :)
     
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    tharinda07 said:
    CR anuwa reality ekek nee kiyala sangathawa oppu karala iwaray,eaka kawruwath thaama boruy kiyala oppu karala nee(mee awrudu 20ta),eaka nisa reality kiyala ekak nee

    Ehenam
    reality kiyala ekak ne
    kiyana eka thamayi reality eka.
    ;)
     
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    tharinda07 said:
    yatharthayak nometha kiyala constructive relativism(CR) walin oppu karala godak kal
    ,

    eaka nisa yatharthayak netha

    puluwannam CR boruy kiyala oppu karanna,(yatharthayak thiyenawa kiyala) lipiyak liyanna,

    liyala meaketh danna vidusareth danna :)

    Oya iskole keeye wasareda?
    Thaama 'Vidusara'da kiyawanne?
     

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    AtulaSiriwardane said:
    Oya iskole keeye wasareda?
    Thaama 'Vidusara'da kiyawanne?

    mama thaama 1 wasare:rofl:,

    mama thaama vidusara kiyawanawa


    vidusara oya wage ekenekta madi wage nam kalaniye campus eke maths department ekata eaka yawanna,
     

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    AtulaSiriwardane said:
    Ehenam
    reality kiyala ekak ne
    kiyana eka thamayi reality eka.
    ;)

    nee ehema nemey,othana oya wachana harabayak vitharay karala thiyenne

    issella reality(yatharthaya) kiyanne mokadda kiyala therum ganna balanna,eathakota oya oya kiyana eka boru wenwa,

    oya kemathi nam mama eaka visthara karannam
     
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    tharinda07 said:
    nee ehema nemey,othana oya wachana harabayak vitharay karala thiyenne

    issella reality(yatharthaya) kiyanne mokadda kiyala therum ganna balanna,eathakota oya oya kiyana eka boru wenwa,

    oya kemathi nam mama eaka visthara karannam

    Visthara karanna balanna...

    reality(yatharthaya) kiyala ekak nethnam mokadda kiyala therum ganne kohomada.
     

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    AtulaSiriwardane said:
    Oyaage iwaseeme shakthiyata mama gaurava karanawa.
    :)
    eaka methanata adaala neane ban,mee thread eke mathrukawa yathaarthya ,article dekakuth thiyenwa ,api eeka gena kathaa karamu
     

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    yako tota mall da,karanna wena wadak nath than, methana pukanodi, waththa pahala waduronge goo ahidapan,ponnaya,paw ube demapio