Small 100W server build log PART 1

dinukap4

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    PART (1):yes:

    I am working on building for some time now a case for a really tiny server. What I expect him to do:
    - file server: lots of space, data security
    - all around connectivity
    - low consumption, low noise
    - no wires (except plug) and small.

    Tech solutions:

    - 2x500GB HDDs (brand unknown for now) in RAID 1
    - connectivity Wi-FI (n draft), Bluetooth, eventually remote control TT Mozart style
    - sempron 2800+ CPU passive, AMD 690G chipset, fans piloted by a electronic card I made in function of temperature (max supported =2 fans)
    - home made wooden box with a metal frame

    It's not exactly in chronological order as I've began it 2 months ago working now and then, but it's surely the logical order in which should have been done.

    The main problem is heat - I have chose everything to enter a 150-170W power envelope and a minuscule volume.

    The shopping chart:

    Bought a cheapo 480W PSU (10$) that should provide 200w without overheating, an ASUS M2N-VM 690G, and reused 2GB of Ballistix DDR667, a 8GB old HDD and a 2800 sempron I had laying around.

    The PSU:

    Any ATX PSU is far to big for what I intended so I simply took out the PSU PCB out of the iron case; you'd be surprised how much space is wasted.

    After this I bend the radiators to occupy a smaller volume - this doesn't change anything in their cooling abilities.

    I removed the 120mm fan as there wasn't any room for it so the PSU became passive and as a result dead silent.

    After this diet, the PSU is just the size of two cigarette packs one on top of the other - and it works (tested and retested every step of the way)

    Sometime later, after mounting everything in the small case I built (details below) I realized the wires for the ATX 24 pin connector were too long and filling literally every cubic inch of air available in the case. They lost some weight also, some 8cm from the 15cm in total(4" from say 8" for the imperial units) in total to be just as long as they have to barely reach the ATX plug in the mobo.

    THE CASE

    The principle of the case is in the picture below. It has to be just a bit taller than a PCI card, and sufficiently wide as to receive a 25x25cm µATX board.
    woodencasenofansus2.jpg


    Since the server needed to be really small, silent and more than anything cost effective it seemed obvious from the get-go that I had to build it myself. I had no experience in welding, but fortunately I have friends, beer and jokes in my schedule, so a total of 3 guys were enough to cut some iron plates that were to form the skeleton, weld them together to have the frame and cut the wood plates that were to silence the beast inside.

    And a lesson to others reading and living in a flat: always a keep good relationship with the neighbors, 'cause they can get really pissed when hearing an electric drill at 10 p.m. If you have invited them to you barbecue the other day, they'd be easier to accept these phonic aggressions that are inevitable when building something.

    I'm a highly mathematical person, I like to calculate everything in the smallest of details, the angles, distances so that there is a perfect fit. It just so happens that from the start of the project I supposed the PSU rad and the CPU rad would be face-to-face and touching.
    Obviously, the hours of thorough calculations were brought to nothing when we realized that we forgot to take into consideration the effective thickness of the wooden plates. They're only 4mm thick, but enough to make us miss the overall inside height of the case by 5mm (more or less). This in turns meant some more modifying of the PSU's radiators...

    Cooling as it was originally thought

    The idea was that a 80mm fan I had laying around to pull hot air from the area that contains the radiators of the PSU/CPU/NB . It's sorta like a tunnel where the fresh air enters thru somewhere (not exactly defined in a first approach), is being routed in one end of the box, traverses the radiators that are packed together and is being pulled outside by the 80mm silent fan, much like this picture below:
    coolinginitialim3.jpg

    I figured I'll see where to make the intake hole for the air to get in as the case is in wood afterall and holes can be made easily. The idea was the hole to be where the eventual hotspot is.


    The assembly

    Well, having worked for two months I was burning to see all the stuff in the case and install a Win2000 SP3 copy I have since a while ago when my main rig wasn't powerful enough to handle the "enormous memory requirements of windows XP".

    BTW, Vista a memory hog? When XP appeared, the 128MB of ram became highly insufficient. 256 minimum for XP. XP SP2 upped to 512 minimum with 1GB to be smooth. In total there was a 4x multiply in ram needs over XP's lifetime. Vista say it needs 4GB to be smooth, so why all the hustle? And what did XP bring, some more eye candy vs Win2000. Same old story...

    Now in the assembly, as stated earlier, I quickly found out the ATX cables have to be put on a diet. I welded for over 3 hours, since I'm not very good. I didn't want to make any mistake, as it would fry the mobo 'cause that would have sucked.

    Windows install

    All smooth, nothing to see :D Except the fact it was installed in open-air (aka no case) because I needed a PATA cable connected for the DVD-ROM; the server won't have any optical unit.
    A small issue that wasn't so obvious at the beginning was the lack of drivers for the 690G chipset in Windows 2000. Some XP drivers worked, others didn't...

    Burning tests

    Now the fun part: cooling design. Remember I have only one fan that is pulling air. From where? Dunno, probably from the hinges of the wooden case. The only purpose of this test was to identify the major heat sources. Anyway, after 20mn of 100% CPU it went at 47°C and still rising. Shutdown and back to the drawing board.

    There seemed obvious 2 hotspots:
    hotspotzt3.jpg


    The CPU was the hottest thing around, the PSU rads didn't seem to hot. In the lower floor where the HDDs are isolated (in this test it is actually only one HDD) it heated up a bit too.

    Advice time :yes:

    Now there are ways to tackle this issue and I thought of two scenarios pictured below:
    1. Put a 80 mm intake fan in the right, output in the left and venting holes to ventilate the hdd are:rofl:

    2. Put a 80 mm output fan in the right, seal on the left and in the HDD bay area make a hole below the HDDs for the air intake, and make a hole in the left, so that the warm air rises and further cools the array of radiators; here I suppose the HDDs will not overheat since I suppose I'm getting Caviar GPs:
    cooling2ls2.jpg



    What do you think of the build, the story, the server, and more importantly, how do you see the cooling system to be as efficient as possible?


    COOLING PART SOON! -part 2
     

    dinukap4

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    GPU Power Consumption*

    GPU Power Consumption*:yes:
    Manufacturer Idle Load
    NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT 49W 107W
    NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 64W 115W
    NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX 79W 116W
    NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GX2 90W 179W
    NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra 100W 186W
    ATI Radeon HD 3650 17W 32W
    ATI Radeon HD 3850 53W 82W
    ATI Radeon HD 3870 62W 92W
    ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT 67W 104W
    ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 55W 130W
    * Actual power consumption for the graphics cards only. Results taken at idle on the Windows desktop and under full load running the Fur benchmark.

    CPU Power Consumption**
    Manufacturer Idle (EIST or CnQ Enabled) Idle Load
    Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 14W 17W 36W
    Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 18W 22W 43W
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 19W 23W 60W
    Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 29W 32W 103W
    Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 26W 56W 86W
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 33W 47W 89W
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 25W 74W 160W
    AMD Phenom X3 8750 50W 67W 86W
    AMD Phenom X4 9600 BE 29W 36W 101W
    AMD Phenom X4 9850 BE 38W 53W 126W
    ** Actual power consumption for just the processor. Results taken at idle on the Windows desktop with either EIST/C&Q enabled or disabled, and full :rofl: load generated using BOINC.

    Chipset/Motherboard Power Consumption***
    Platform and Chipset Load
    Intel P35 (775) 37W
    Intel P965 (775) 39W
    Intel X38 (775) 52W
    Intel X48 (775) 40W
    NVIDIA 680i (775) 46W
    NVIDIA 790i (775) 51W
    NVIDIA 750i (775) 59W
    NVIDIA 780i (775) 69W
    NVIDIA 8200 (775) 29W
    AMD 690G (AM2) 34W
    AMD X3200 (AM2) 35W
    AMD 770 (AM2) 40W
    NVIDIA 570 (AM2) 40W
    AMD 790FX (AM2) 42W
    AMD 790X (AM2) 43W
    *** Actual power consumption for the motherboard and chipset. Idle and load power do not differ by any significant amount. :growl:
     

    nagaya

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    go for embedded atom like D945GCLF,I saw some setups with ~ 45W
    but 945gclf needs more power,there are many ITX solution with less power than 45W
     

    dinukap4

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    nagaya said:
    go for embedded atom like D945GCLF,I saw some setups with ~ 45W
    but 945gclf needs more power,there are many ITX solution with less power than 45W

    i know machn BUT if u need a bit proformance 100W just as a LIGHT BULB:D
     

    dineitdark

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    waiting for the second part. i am also thinking about building a NAS box. so your experiences are invaluable :). machan please be kind enough to put the prices and the places you brought the components from. btw where do you live?