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Hey Guys,

Is there any one who knows about Sound systems ?, if yes please help me

>First of all can you guys tell whats the exact meaning of P.M.P.O ?
And how the PMPO is calculated?

>And Does anyone know a website or a doc. that teaches or show how to make a 500 RMS watt amplifier ? , even the circuit diag is enough :yes::yes:
 

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Hey bro its very difficult question? U can do a degree program under that title:yes:

There is NO mathematical formula that will convert PMPO to RMS values or vice-versa.

Reason:

pmpo is the ability of the amplifier to deliver large amount of power than the rated power BUT only for a fraction of a

time. This will depend on the indivisual amp design and depends largely on the size of the filtre caps.

pmpo is the ability of the loudspeaker to deliver large amount of power than the rated power BUT only for a fraction of a

time. This will depend on the indivisual loudspeaker construction and depends largely on the quality of the magnet and the

peak excursion of the cone.

The best way to check the approximate power level of your system is to measure the o/p section rail voltages to calculate

the power rating of the amp.
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If u wanna learn more search like this>>> PMPO vs RMS

Hey bro u better buy a 500W amp from a shop.( dont go for chinese craps )

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What is the difference between the RMS and PMPO audio output of speakers?
The RMS (Root Means Square) power is found by averaging the instantaneous power output over a long period of time, so it is actually the average power or mean power.
Peak momentary performance output (PMPO) is calculated as the maximum power in watts available under perfect conditions that are seldom to achieved in practical use. Few sound systems can sustain their PMPO for more than a few milliseconds without being destroyed. The PMPO measurements vary greatly with the manufacturer.
It is thus impossible to translate RMS into PMPO and vice versa. Some you multiply RMS number by 35 to get the PMPO number; others multiply it by 60.
 

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    P.M.P.O IS Peak Music Power Output


    Power calculations & details

    vist this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_power


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    Thanx Pasan , Lich, Hema bro's thanx for your info , I may have to read it twice thrice and on to get a clear image (Mara complicated ne)

    Aby way thanx Bro

    An Original 500 Watt amp will cost about 20000rs. ne So it's useless to spend that much for me :yes::yes: , However even the Japanese brands use chinese parts (Even Sony coz they havent got Li, Ge, Si in Japan ne and it's a cost effective way tto buy frm Chana ).

    So i htought about assembling a custom one wiyh some patta add
    (Neons, Guages), One of ma friends told me that noe there is a amp Chip called 4192 which is far better than 4191 series crap.
     
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    Hema silva bro link eken meka hambawuna melo sasrak therenne ne ne :(:(


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    Power calculations

    AC power, which includes audio power, is best measured as an average power. This is the accurate method. It is based on this formula[2]:
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    For a purely resistive load (not a speaker), a simpler equation can be used:
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    In the case of a steady sinusoidal tone (not music) into a purely resistive load, this can be calculated from the peak voltage and the resistance:
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    Though a speaker is not purely resistive, these equations can be used to approximate power measurements for such a system, as follows.
    An ideal (100% efficient) class AB amplifier with a 12-volt peak-to-peak supply can drive a signal with a peak amplitude of 6 V. In an 8 ohm (see impedance) loudspeaker this would deliver:
    Ppeak = (6 V)2 / 8 Ω = 4.5 watts peak instantaneous.[3] If this signal is sinusoidal, its RMS value is 6 V × 0.707 = 4.242 V(RMS). This voltage into a speaker load of 8 Ω gives a power of:
    Pavg = (4.242 V)2 / 8 Ω = 2.25 watts average [4] Thus the output of an inexpensive car audio amplifier is limited by the voltage of the battery. In most actual car systems, the amplifiers are connected in a bridge-tied load configuration, and speakers are no higher than 4Ω. High-power car amplifiers use a DC-to-DC converter to generate a higher supply voltage.
    The true power output of an amplifier can be estimated by examining the input current. Linear amplifiers tend to be about 60% efficient at best. A switch-mode amplifier (known as class D) can achieve much higher efficiency, sometimes as high as 95%. A linear car amplifier labeled "500 W PMPO" but fitted with a 5-amp fuse can, at most, deliver an average power of 5 A × 14.4 V × 60%, or about 43 watts.
     

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    Actually I dont know about this subject sister. . :D :D Oya ahapu hinda search karala hoayali demme:D :D
     
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    Sasika@Elakiri said:
    Hema silva bro link eken meka hambawuna melo sasrak therenne ne ne :(:(


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    Power calculations

    AC power, which includes audio power, is best measured as an average power. This is the accurate method. It is based on this formula[2]:
    195cab4fdad8576b63419386ddfd3091.png
    For a purely resistive load (not a speaker), a simpler equation can be used:
    7c1c446258305f4c3c58251e5122d9ab.png
    In the case of a steady sinusoidal tone (not music) into a purely resistive load, this can be calculated from the peak voltage and the resistance:
    6151988bcdc773892c89c52b8419718a.png
    Though a speaker is not purely resistive, these equations can be used to approximate power measurements for such a system, as follows.
    An ideal (100% efficient) class AB amplifier with a 12-volt peak-to-peak supply can drive a signal with a peak amplitude of 6 V. In an 8 ohm (see impedance) loudspeaker this would deliver:
    Ppeak = (6 V)2 / 8 Ω = 4.5 watts peak instantaneous.[3] If this signal is sinusoidal, its RMS value is 6 V × 0.707 = 4.242 V(RMS). This voltage into a speaker load of 8 Ω gives a power of:
    Pavg = (4.242 V)2 / 8 Ω = 2.25 watts average [4] Thus the output of an inexpensive car audio amplifier is limited by the voltage of the battery. In most actual car systems, the amplifiers are connected in a bridge-tied load configuration, and speakers are no higher than 4Ω. High-power car amplifiers use a DC-to-DC converter to generate a higher supply voltage.
    The true power output of an amplifier can be estimated by examining the input current. Linear amplifiers tend to be about 60% efficient at best. A switch-mode amplifier (known as class D) can achieve much higher efficiency, sometimes as high as 95%. A linear car amplifier labeled "500 W PMPO" but fitted with a 5-amp fuse can, at most, deliver an average power of 5 A × 14.4 V × 60%, or about 43 watts.

    To understant these do maths for A/Ls get 3 A's and then come university of Moratuwa and do Electronics Engineering:yes: :D
     

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    BlackNight said:
    To understant these do maths for A/Ls get 3 A's and then come university of Moratuwa and do Electronics Engineering:yes: :D

    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

    Dont knw a way to explain those very simply :( :( :(
     

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    Mona magulakda?Ova Al physics valth thiyena basic concepts ne.Moratuva ennama one ne.Hondata oya gena kiyavala balala igenaganna puluvan.
     

    gayannr

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    Sasika@Elakiri said:
    Hema silva bro link eken meka hambawuna melo sasrak therenne ne ne :(:(


    moz-screenshot.jpg
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    Power calculations

    AC power, which includes audio power, is best measured as an average power. This is the accurate method. It is based on this formula[2]:
    195cab4fdad8576b63419386ddfd3091.png
    For a purely resistive load (not a speaker), a simpler equation can be used:
    7c1c446258305f4c3c58251e5122d9ab.png
    In the case of a steady sinusoidal tone (not music) into a purely resistive load, this can be calculated from the peak voltage and the resistance:
    6151988bcdc773892c89c52b8419718a.png
    Though a speaker is not purely resistive, these equations can be used to approximate power measurements for such a system, as follows.
    An ideal (100% efficient) class AB amplifier with a 12-volt peak-to-peak supply can drive a signal with a peak amplitude of 6 V. In an 8 ohm (see impedance) loudspeaker this would deliver:
    Ppeak = (6 V)2 / 8 Ω = 4.5 watts peak instantaneous.[3] If this signal is sinusoidal, its RMS value is 6 V × 0.707 = 4.242 V(RMS). This voltage into a speaker load of 8 Ω gives a power of:
    Pavg = (4.242 V)2 / 8 Ω = 2.25 watts average [4] Thus the output of an inexpensive car audio amplifier is limited by the voltage of the battery. In most actual car systems, the amplifiers are connected in a bridge-tied load configuration, and speakers are no higher than 4Ω. High-power car amplifiers use a DC-to-DC converter to generate a higher supply voltage.
    The true power output of an amplifier can be estimated by examining the input current. Linear amplifiers tend to be about 60% efficient at best. A switch-mode amplifier (known as class D) can achieve much higher efficiency, sometimes as high as 95%. A linear car amplifier labeled "500 W PMPO" but fitted with a 5-amp fuse can, at most, deliver an average power of 5 A × 14.4 V × 60%, or about 43 watts.
    Hey L-Board sasika neda,Do Maths for ur A/Ls then only u will get to know these formulas.Integration:D