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Message: <blockquote data-quote="twisted" data-source="post: 9276700" data-attributes="member: 82108">gta agree with what you say, everything you do is influenced by your predecessors. but that's not the type of influence we were talking about here right? we I believe were talking the kind of influence the culture can have over you that can KEEP you from doing something that agrees with your creative mind.of course there's more than self satisfaction to it ...I mean, we, as a race, aren't mentally developed enough to just be satisfied for what we are...we need to have the "ok" from the ones that are around us ..and we all love attention don't we...attention plays a big part of fashion, it's like your fashion represent what you are, and you want the others to see it and acknowledge it.well, my point i think was that you can't expect the others to like what you wear..that's fine. if you are man enough to be hated for what you are and go on ..but the real problems kick in when their crazy laws fine you for what you are ..or call you names for what you ..being mentally and physically abused is just too bigger a price to pay for that liberty don't you think?and for the record, I don't think being naked is a bad idea at all . .why should seeing  something you also happen to own and you so dearly cherish, on others be so offensive?? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />there are somethings your excessive liberty afford you to do that also might harm the freedom of others, those are the sorta things that should  be prevented even if it means the involvement of a third party...<img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/P.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":P" title=":P    :P" data-shortname=":P" /> but why should you being half naked offend somebody else?? and if that hairy lady wants to keep the hair on her legs which is on HER legs but anybody elses, I suppose one can allow her that self indulgence..you are looking at this from within the context of already well established culture..what if we were to start all anew? what if these ethics and norms weren't here in the first place...if the account was set to zero, would you have willingly let it evolve into the samething that we are today, again?</blockquote>

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