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[GTRZ]

Don't play "Baba" machan. Any one will recognize the similarities. And the copying of original lyrics is also unmistakable. Sound engineers blah blah blah and computer analysis is always inferior to pattern recongnition of human brain (are computers good at recognising faces or finger prints than the human eye?). If best of the musicians say it is a copy cat how do you disprove it? Anf BTW you don't need sophisticated equipment to say whose voice is that when sombody talks, even when it is engineered to a certain degree.

Machan I thought you acting like a Baba but as I see you are really a Baba when it comes to this topic. You know machan you can recognize the melody without any problems. Even a normal person can do that. That’s why I am not telling like that song not based on the melody of the old song. It’s simple as that. But you can’t say exactly that small part of the voice is from the exact person you referring to. You may be unaware but there are tons of digital manipulation techniques. There are effects to make it old add distortion and match any voice etc.. If you want example I will show you from our own download section. They are well known singers in srilanka but voice manipulated to exact need.
So don’t mix melody recognition with voice recognition. Its not easy as that.
Human brain can pickup melody but computers can do it very easily. Even kids type of DJ software comes with beat matching and tempo matching. Simple stuff. Human brain finds it hard to recognize manipulated audio from the original source. But computers can.
The whole idea of audio/voice manipulation is to make it undetectable to human brain coz then it becomes a effect or some proper change. If humans can detect it very easily then why they manipulate?

Even the pronunciation of the words in the "Mata Aloke" song are foreign. So you want to prove it with engineers for that also?

Hehe so man it sounds foreign, local or even robotic it’s up to the artist to make it like as he/she wants.

I am talking of the moral grounds of it. Not the legal grounds of it. Iam not worried about the copyright. I am worried about barbaric copying of songs.

Machan you are not sure he has copyright or not. You don’t know he got rights from the owners or not. So how can you say it’s barbaric? If some of them came and said he copied it and we never gave him any permission do so then its barbaric, uncivilized and every similar word. I don’t don’t know why but you are telling this for the 3rd time with out any evidence.

You don't comprehend ehat I was talking about. You are answering to points that you have created in your mind. Get over it and listen to both songs with an open mind. Then comment about morality of Iraj's work.

Now you are telling I am talking from imagination which i told you before hehe. Telling agian Machan I am talking from the available facts. From the first day I heard that song I knew it’s based on that old song’s melody. its simple as that. I am talking about the copyright of that and voice part you talking about. It may be he got permission to add that small voice part too. Anyway I don’t believe he has to rip that when all these digital voice manipulation techniques available.

Stop protecting copycats GTRZ. People who copy others cannot whinge about there work being copied. They have no moral right for that. Veddas can't preach "bana". Iraj is like a "Vedda" who is preaching about "non-violence" Blatantly copying and then whinging when his work is copied.

I am not trying to protect anyone here. If someone has done something bad he should be sued. Illegal copying should be totally stopped. But I don’t like the idea of music reproduction is totally bad idea and should be banned. Music same like all other things in this world can be improved. So with the proper rights anyone should be able do that.
Even those Indian musicians can take rights to edit and reproduce the song. But they should do it legally and taking the rights from the owner without saying it’s based on nothing and it’s their own creation.

 

[tckrockz]

oi wal badda ??
oki picture dis n think hw it will be

u make a song and you word so hard on it and it becomes a top chart hit in SL
and u make a video and u wanna spread it to the world n a indian film maker copies the exact song of the one u made witout asking u a single think and nw u cant release it to the indian media saying that indains copies my song ne..dey will think if we copied his song how come we just heard it now.n u can say i released it bla bla.bt dey will think ahh sri lankan ppl copied our songs..

 

[sampath312]

oi wal badda ??
oki picture dis n think hw it will be

u make a song and you word so hard on it and it becomes a top chart hit in SL
and u make a video and u wanna spread it to the world n a indian film maker copies the exact song of the one u made witout asking u a single think and nw u cant release it to the indian media saying that indains copies my song ne..dey will think if we copied his song how come we just heard it now.n u can say i released it bla bla.bt dey will think ahh sri lankan ppl copied our songs..

thats not the main thing he was pointing at all...if iraj is doing the same how he go against others......isnt it a shame dear.....just think being neutral bro...its just like "patawnata kelin yanda kiyana kakuluwa dha adeta yai"

 

[Wal Bada]

But you can’t say exactly that small part of the voice is from the exact person you referring to. You may be unaware but there are tons of digital manipulation techniques.

So wise man, who sings that part? give the name of the artist. ask Iraj about it (you have contacts with most of the composers ne?). I am loving to hear that answer.

Hehe so man it sounds foreign, local or even robotic it’s up to the artist to make it like as he/she wants.

This is the first time I heard that you can manipulate the "racial color" of a voice. Can you manipulate a giutar to sound as a flute? That is the "racial color or tone color" of a voice that I am referring to.

Machan you are not sure he has copyright or not. You don’t know he got rights from the owners or not. So how can you say it’s barbaric? If some of them came and said he copied it and we never gave him any permission do so then its barbaric, uncivilized and every similar word. I don’t don’t know why but you are telling this for the 3rd time with out any evidence.

Where did I talk about legal aspects of it? I was referring to themorality of the work? Do you know the difference between legal and moral conducts?

I am not trying to protect anyone here. If someone has done something bad he should be sued. Illegal copying should be totally stopped. But I don’t like the idea of music reproduction is totally bad idea and should be banned.

I did not oppose improving it. But I am aginst copying it in a chocker-block. I am talking on moral grounds and you are talking on legal grounds. That's why I said you are responding to you imaginations.

So with the proper rights anyone should be able do that.

Even with proper rights, it's a copy cat. make no mistake. If there is no copy rights then it is stolen. I am not sure about "Player's Lounge" as well. I think Lich is the one who produced this song for Iraj. He may enlighten us about rights from the director of "Raja Hindustani" for the melody and words of "Pardeshi pardeshi jaana nahi" song. Players Longe is better because it's not a blatant copy cat as "Mata aloke"

 

[Lich]

I think Lich is the one who produced this song for Iraj.

Are U Sick... What are you talking. Better go and get ur Medicine and come

 

[Lich]

We Have to stop this Film.. Please Pass this Msg to all the friends... Vilaiyattu film

 

[kepu]

we can give our best sup 4 Iraj ....

 

[GTRZ]

To dagame, hodalamaya, sampath312 etc.. referring to your posts you made in this thread..



Guys first I have to tell you please read the whole thread before making these comments. I have already answered these questions in many places. So can’t repeat that again coz then I will have to type like many pages again.
Anyway I will add something again here for what I said earlier.

You all say we copied from Indian tracks from old days like film songs. So how many of you know that most of them are Indian film directors and musicians came to srilanakn and did films in srilanka to earn money using srilankan actors and singers. They never created melodies to us they just put some sinhala lyrics with some sinhala author to Indian melody and made some srilankan person sing that for the film. And they earn money from our people.
Some srilankan well known artists went to India to learn eastern music. They became pros under guidance from Indian musicians in the old days. They came to srilanka and some of their tracks based on the Indian melody. I am not sure about the copyright acts in those days but I am sure most of those songs done with acknowledgement with the original owners of India. So they were working together and our srilankan eastern artists found them as gurus and gods of music. So they used that music from who thought them. I don’t think they never knew it too. They also knew their music used by their student.
May be there are some people who totally copied it without any sound, but its not everybody.

About those Indian Tv shows and drams many of them are total rubbish and complete disaster to our culture. I know many TV stations play those things and our people watch them. As you know Indian directors come to srilankan and hire our actors and create such low quality TV series and shows. You think its srilankan but money goes to the Indian director. Even government came with a law for that to protect srilankan media industry. Coz it was going to suck by Indian cheap invasion. I see only rupavahini playing quality Indian content like film series from Sathyajith Ray without much or NO advertisements and paying all from their own pockets.
Don’t think Indians are so nice and they allow us to use their content, as you already know they are very aggressive when it comes to threats and they are very greedy when doing any sort of business. To Indians srilankan is like total market freely available. Its almost like sub part of India. I don’t wanna mention names here but lot of our well known companies and organizations owned by Indians and they pump all our money to India. Even in music industry we pump lot of cash to India, and Indians really wanna make us stick to their music.

I don’t have to give examples but Indians copy tons of tracks from western world. And create hindi original tracks for them. And even remix them and play on Indian MTV.
They totally copy western films, technology, media simply everything they can. They even don’t care about patents. They are so talented copiers. We are not even near them. They even copy English song and create hindi track for that. And in the same time Indian directors come to srilankan and put sinhala lyrics to those melodies and create sinhala tracks and play them in TV shows as theme songs and middle and background parts.

I will give you another example in another industry. As you know Bajaj which influenced by Japanese Auto maker Kawasaki make Pulsar their flagship model. Bajaj just copy deigns from Honda CBR 1000RR when Honda change the back with pointing upwards rear parts Pulsar also changes. When Honda go with transparent lights with internal bulb having the colour bajaj duplicate that too. When rims and engine become black bajaj also black. They totally copy design of Japanese bikes too. They have no rights what so ever for that.
But so lame still 180cc engine on a so called bike they called Definitely Male or in other words made for men and for sports running from a single piston. And no mono shocks and no disk brakes in the rear, single disk brake in the front.
Anyway bajaj is the best selling bike in srilanka since its so cheap than Japanese models. All Indian bikes manufactures together have almost all srilankan brand new bike market.
As I remember last year some Chinese auto maker released pulsar like bike to srilankan market. Bajaj went crazy and together with david peris motors they went to sue that bike maker and banned it from srilanka. So they can’t remember all the things they copied from Japanese Honda hehe those are so called big prestigious Indian companies.
Even more funny thing is Bajaj going to sue TVS motors (Another indain bike maker) as soon as TVS release their new bike called Flame. Bajaj says TVS has copied their DTS-i technology in that Flame engine. But actually Honda invented that technology many years ago. Even TVS admit that and say bajaj has no right over DTS-I and it’s invented by Honda japan. hehe So Bajaj and TVS going to court for a thing they don’t even invented and invented by Honda many more years back. Funny India.

Anyway I just enlightened you guys about India and how they work. Its nothing like India love us and they don’t sue us. Simply illegal copying should be totally banned who ever did that its totally wrong.

 

[RAZOR xxxxx]

HEY GTRZ PLZ TELLL ANY NEW NEWS ABT THIS CASE??????????? wht ar the actions that they hve taken for this????

 

[dagame]

We Have to stop this Film.. Please Pass this Msg to all the friends... Vilaiyattu film

hahaha.. wat a joke. if india starts 2 du the same 2 sri lankan movie directors and music artists, the whole lanka will get sued. Y every1s so paniced when this happend 2 iraj. is he like a idol or sum1. i dnt think every1 will b like this concerned if this happen 2 some other artist. this whole thing is a big joke. hahaha. i hate that fag anyway.

 

[dagame]

yo.. GTRZ im totally against wif the piracy thing as well. bt im telling y ppl r so concern about this irajs song? is this the 1st time dat india has done something like this??? u were telling abt indian directors come 2 sl and do there songs using sri lankan artist and stuff ryt? bt hw come on the albums dat never mensiond. iv seen this album dat have songs frm the movie kal ho na ho in sinhala. is da producer indian??? n dere r heapz of songs like dat. im nt baking up india or anyfng. wat i dnt like is dis iraj guys drama. some1 has mentiond that he told to the media that ninda noyana song was his truimp card for selling the album. cnt u ppl get it. hes worried nw he cnt sell da album in india and earn big buks. hahaha.. maann wat a joker. hahaha.. anyway dats my opinion. l8rz

 

[GTRZ]

So wise man, who sings that part? give the name of the artist. ask Iraj about it (you have contacts with most of the composers ne?). I am loving to hear that answer.

I think this question already asked by many tv shows, news papers, other media etc..
Not only about small part in this track with effects but also about very clear voices in his other tracks which are not reproductions too. Who is doing that background vocals, who is doing that chorus female part etc.. What he says is he has some singer/s that doesn’t wanna come to front and he will expose them very soon to the media.
Anyway if you wanna verify your self you can PM iraj from ElaKiri too. His User ID is Iraj.

This is the first time I heard that you can manipulate the "racial color" of a voice. Can you manipulate a giutar to sound as a flute? That is the "racial color or tone color" of a voice that I am referring to.

Yes you can do. But who needs a sound of flute to make a guitar sound.
Anyway from early days this was used by scientists to reproduce sounds made by animals. You know there were big buzz to talk with animals and find the ways they communicate with each other.

Where did I talk about legal aspects of it? I was referring to the morality of the work? Do you know the difference between legal and moral conducts?

I did not oppose improving it. But I am aginst copying it in a chocker-block. I am talking on moral grounds and you are talking on legal grounds. That's why I said you are responding to you imaginations.
Even with proper rights, it's a copy cat. make no mistake. If there is no copy rights then it is stolen.

Yes I understand really well about morality, now you are the one who said its only 43 years old right? So the rights should be taken only from the owners. Not from the expired method. So if he has rights then its taken from the respective owners so if they allowed it then what’s not ethical in that? My friend the main thing is you are thinking like the music is static and you think like once made that will be the masterpiece and it’s perfect. Modifications like ruining it.
As you know from medicine also there is a method called EBM (Evidence based medicine), When it comes to software upgrading and new versions based on previous.
Now what that moral or ethics not coming to other things like patents? Some person invents something and someone getting license from him and improve it. Then it’s also not ethical? So all should inventions from scratch? Person who make the car should invent the wheel also?

Okay I’ll give another example from srilankan music too. One of the best singers of all time Mr Amaradewa’s songs reproduced by composer and author. Even Mr Amaradewa doesn’t liked that they made new melodies based on old track and made new music with new singer coz they have the copyright. And sold it everywhere too. I don’t wanna mention names but those are top srilankan musicians and song writers.
And most of top srilankan eastern music artists made Cds and cassettes saying new music with some popular western type of band who add total new western beats. The flow of the song totally disappeared and it was totally new thing. I am not going to criticize that saying good or bad, some found it good and some found it bad. But what I am saying is they totally reproduced the music.

 

[GTRZ]

HEY GTRZ PLZ TELLL ANY NEW NEWS ABT THIS CASE??????????? wht ar the actions that they hve taken for this????

They going to take legal action machan.

 

[RAZOR xxxxx]

welll they ar **going** to take bt who knws ??????? sumtimes they ll giv up this .......................

 

[Wal Bada]

Yes I understand really well, now you are the one who said its only 43 years old right? So the rights should be taken only from the owners. Not from the expired method. So if he has rights then its taken from the respective owners so if they allowed it then what’s not ethical in that?

Once more you are going on the same old circle. Yes had a query about it being less than 50 years old. But the main problem is about a bloke who has copied from Indian artists whining about his work being copied. (That does not make that Indian bugger right though). There may have been a problem about the copyright. I'll check info. about director of the film and then post whether it's copyrighted or not.

My friend the main thing is you are thinking like the music is static and you think like once made that will be the masterpiece and it’s perfect.Modifications like ruining it.

No. I did not think like that.

I did not oppose improving it. But I am aginst copying it in a chocker-block

You can see what I have written.

Now what that moral or ethics not coming to other things like patents? Some person invents something and someone getting license from him and improve it. Then it’s also not ethical? So all should inventions from scratch? Person who make the car should invent the wheel also?

The problem occurs when some body copies all the parts of a car and change only the paint of it and call it a new car.

 

[GTRZ]

yo.. GTRZ im totally against wif the piracy thing as well. bt im telling y ppl r so concern about this irajs song? is this the 1st time dat india has done something like this??? u were telling abt indian directors come 2 sl and do there songs using sri lankan artist and stuff ryt? bt hw come on the albums dat never mensiond. iv seen this album dat have songs frm the movie kal ho na ho in sinhala. is da producer indian??? n dere r heapz of songs like dat. im nt baking up india or anyfng. wat i dnt like is dis iraj guys drama. some1 has mentiond that he told to the media that ninda noyana song was his truimp card for selling the album. cnt u ppl get it. hes worried nw he cnt sell da album in india and earn big buks. hahaha.. maann wat a joker. hahaha.. anyway dats my opinion. l8rz

We are supporting here coz we are the biggest srilankan online music community.
As i said earlier it's not only Iraj, if any srilankan artist need help we are talking about it. Machan i told many stuff about those factors earlier in this thread, you better check them.
About that film song CD i think i remember what you are talking about. It was made with indian film melody and sinhala lyrics with srilankan singers.
It was done by well known record company in srilankan which has Indian origin.
They even used television media advertisements to sell that CDs. Not sure but it had some international record label too. This company also sold the hindi version of those songs in here and they had the official dealership for those indian albums. So you think that sinhala CD they were selling so big was illegal copying or made with rights to attract srilakan customers and earn more srilakan money from that.
Well all the indian artists and their music, film, dramas come to srilanka and they earn money from that. So why we should not earn money from indian market?
BNS did a Hindi Album specialty to Indian market and we supported that.
So iraj also thinking to take his music to india. So whats wrong with that?
Indian songs and all other content plays like crazy in SL medias. So we should try to take our music to india too.

 

[sampath312]

hahaha.. wat a joke. if india starts 2 du the same 2 sri lankan movie directors and music artists, the whole lanka will get sued. Y every1s so paniced when this happend 2 iraj. is he like a idol or sum1. i dnt think every1 will b like this concerned if this happen 2 some other artist. this whole thing is a big joke. hahaha. i hate that fag anyway.

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yo.. GTRZ im totally against wif the piracy thing as well. bt im telling y ppl r so concern about this irajs song? is this the 1st time dat india has done something like this??? u were telling abt indian directors come 2 sl and do there songs using sri lankan artist and stuff ryt? bt hw come on the albums dat never mensiond. iv seen this album dat have songs frm the movie kal ho na ho in sinhala. is da producer indian??? n dere r heapz of songs like dat. im nt baking up india or anyfng. wat i dnt like is dis iraj guys drama. some1 has mentiond that he told to the media that ninda noyana song was his truimp card for selling the album. cnt u ppl get it. hes worried nw he cnt sell da album in india and earn big buks. hahaha.. maann wat a joker. hahaha.. anyway dats my opinion. l8rz

this is bit true ....i ve to admit this comercial world is very complex than we think.....at last they some how get in to their portion and leave....we even dont know we are used for that...as i told dont even feel like this is a big thing.....im just worried how Iraj can say this, knowing himself, he is doing the same at times.....any way its just waste of time


why these people cant use their words to save our culture save our nature save what really got some value than this ......

 

[sampath312]

We are supporting here coz we are the biggest srilankan online music community.
As i said earlier it's not only Iraj, if any srilankan artist need help we are talking about it. Machan i told many stuff about those factors earlier in this thread, you better check them.
About that film song CD i think i remember what you are talking about. It was made with indian film melody and sinhala lyrics by srilankan singers.
It was done by well known record company in srilankan which has Indian origin.
They even used television media advertisements to sell that CDs. Not sure but it had some international record label too. This company also sold the hindi version of those songs in here and they had the official dealership for those indian albums. So you think that sinhala CD they were selling so big was illegal copying or made with rights to attract srilakan customers and earn more srilakan money from that.
Well all the indian artists and their music, film, dramas come to srilanka and they earn money from that. So why we should not earn money from indian market?
BNS did a Hindi Album specialty to Indian market and we supported that.
So iraj also thinking to take his music to india. So whats wrong with that?
Indian songs and all other content plays like crazy in SL medias. So we should try to take our music to india too.

Its a optimistic thinking but wont be easy ....because indian music plays crazy here in SL not only because of beauty but far more reasons for that...

 

[dagame]

im asking again, is this da 1st time dat india has done such a thing? i mean copyng a lankan song or movie or wateva 2 panic like this??? anyway i dnt wana waste ma time talking abt dat stupid drama queen. all i hav 2 say is

"WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND"

 

[rsanda]

just ask ill give any support