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<blockquote data-quote="ibnanv" data-source="post: 14629355" data-attributes="member: 218596"><p>[FONT=arial,helvetica]<span style="font-size: 12px"> Like so many Catholics regrettably accustomed to ecumenical gestures, my friend Jan made light of Benedict XVI’s prayer at the Blue Mosque on November 30, 2006 in Turkey. “He wasn’t really praying with the Muslims,” she affirmed. “He was just meditating. There’s nothing wrong with that.” </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">This is also the spin the Catholic media are putting on the symbolic act of Pope Ratzinger. Even before the visit was over, papal spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi was pointing out to journalists that the Pope had not actually prayed, but was “in meditation.” </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px">http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m012rpRatzingerInMosque.html</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/religiousimages/M012_PrayingAtMosque.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><span style="font-family: 'times'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'times'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000">Barefoot and facing Mecca, Benedict joined </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'times'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000">the Muslim mufti in prayer - <span style="font-size: 9px"><em>AP photo</em> [<a href="http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A184rcRatzMosque.htm" target="_blank">more pictures</a>]</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'times'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"></span></span></span> Who can judge the intentions of the Pontiff when he turned east and joined in prayer with the Istanbul mufti? This question of private intentions, in my opinion, is fundamentally wrong. We are not dealing with private intentions, everything about that visit was open, symbolic and quite clear in its main goal: Benedict intended to humiliate himself – and with him the Papacy – before the Muslim religion. This intention is quite unambiguous. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>First</em>, he went to the mosque. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>Second</em>, before entering it, he removed his shoes. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>Third</em>, he humbly received “instruction” from Mustafa Cagriche on the basics of Muslim prayer. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>Fourth</em>, he meekly followed the Muslim’s command to turn toward “the Kiblah” – the direction of Mecca. Then the prayer began. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>Fifth</em>, he did not even make the Sign of the Cross or give any external sign that he was making a Catholic prayer. On the contrary, he imitated the mufti, crossing his hands on his stomach in a classical Muslim prayer attitude known as “the posture of tranquility.” Eyes closed, they prayed together for several minutes. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Therefore, every external sign of a tacit apostasy from Catholic prayer was present, not any sublime personal attitude. This was the indisputable message Benedict XVI wanted to send to Muslims and Catholics. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">This was also how the world viewed it. The media heralded the “prayer of the Pope” in the mosque as an “unexampled gesture.” “Pope and Muslim cleric pray in historic mosque,” announced the London <em>Guardian</em>. “The Prayer in the mosque is the symbol of the Pope’s visit,” read <em>El Mundo</em> in Madrid. “The Pope turned toward Mecca and prayed like Muslims,” reported <em>The New York Times</em>. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">So, Benedict XVI became the second Pope in history (after John Paul II in Damascus in 2001) to set foot in a Muslim temple, and the first to pray publicly with a Muslim mufti. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">“And what is wrong with that?” Jan and several other readers have asked. “What if the Holy Father was praying for the light of Christ to enlighten and convert Muslims?” </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Once again, the matter in question is not the intention of the Pontiff’s prayer. It is the act itself, that symbolic act noted easily by the media, but glossed over by so many conciliar Catholics. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/religiousimages/M012_POPEIN_MOSQUE_PDEV8_16_22_0.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><span style="font-family: 'times'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'times'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000">Another historic scandal: the visit of John Paul II to a Damascus mosque, 2001 - <span style="font-size: 9px"><em>PDV,</em> August 16-22, 2000</span></span></span></span> Many Catholics will still remember some of the strict instructions enforced by the Holy Office. Its 1907 <em>Decretas</em> specified that Catholics could not pray or sing with heretics, schismatics or pagans. We were instructed, under pain of sin, to never participate in the liturgical acts of those who reject the one true Catholic Church. (1) </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ibnanv, post: 14629355, member: 218596"] [FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=3] Like so many Catholics regrettably accustomed to ecumenical gestures, my friend Jan made light of Benedict XVI’s prayer at the Blue Mosque on November 30, 2006 in Turkey. “He wasn’t really praying with the Muslims,” she affirmed. “He was just meditating. There’s nothing wrong with that.” This is also the spin the Catholic media are putting on the symbolic act of Pope Ratzinger. Even before the visit was over, papal spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi was pointing out to journalists that the Pope had not actually prayed, but was “in meditation.” [SIZE=3]http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m012rpRatzingerInMosque.html[/SIZE] [IMG]http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/religiousimages/M012_PrayingAtMosque.jpg[/IMG][FONT=times][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000] Barefoot and facing Mecca, Benedict joined the Muslim mufti in prayer - [SIZE=1][I]AP photo[/I] [[URL="http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A184rcRatzMosque.htm"]more pictures[/URL]][/SIZE] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] Who can judge the intentions of the Pontiff when he turned east and joined in prayer with the Istanbul mufti? This question of private intentions, in my opinion, is fundamentally wrong. We are not dealing with private intentions, everything about that visit was open, symbolic and quite clear in its main goal: Benedict intended to humiliate himself – and with him the Papacy – before the Muslim religion. This intention is quite unambiguous. [I]First[/I], he went to the mosque. [I]Second[/I], before entering it, he removed his shoes. [I]Third[/I], he humbly received “instruction” from Mustafa Cagriche on the basics of Muslim prayer. [I]Fourth[/I], he meekly followed the Muslim’s command to turn toward “the Kiblah” – the direction of Mecca. Then the prayer began. [I]Fifth[/I], he did not even make the Sign of the Cross or give any external sign that he was making a Catholic prayer. On the contrary, he imitated the mufti, crossing his hands on his stomach in a classical Muslim prayer attitude known as “the posture of tranquility.” Eyes closed, they prayed together for several minutes. Therefore, every external sign of a tacit apostasy from Catholic prayer was present, not any sublime personal attitude. This was the indisputable message Benedict XVI wanted to send to Muslims and Catholics. This was also how the world viewed it. The media heralded the “prayer of the Pope” in the mosque as an “unexampled gesture.” “Pope and Muslim cleric pray in historic mosque,” announced the London [I]Guardian[/I]. “The Prayer in the mosque is the symbol of the Pope’s visit,” read [I]El Mundo[/I] in Madrid. “The Pope turned toward Mecca and prayed like Muslims,” reported [I]The New York Times[/I]. So, Benedict XVI became the second Pope in history (after John Paul II in Damascus in 2001) to set foot in a Muslim temple, and the first to pray publicly with a Muslim mufti. “And what is wrong with that?” Jan and several other readers have asked. “What if the Holy Father was praying for the light of Christ to enlighten and convert Muslims?” Once again, the matter in question is not the intention of the Pontiff’s prayer. It is the act itself, that symbolic act noted easily by the media, but glossed over by so many conciliar Catholics. . [IMG]http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/religiousimages/M012_POPEIN_MOSQUE_PDEV8_16_22_0.jpg[/IMG][FONT=times][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000] Another historic scandal: the visit of John Paul II to a Damascus mosque, 2001 - [SIZE=1][I]PDV,[/I] August 16-22, 2000[/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] Many Catholics will still remember some of the strict instructions enforced by the Holy Office. Its 1907 [I]Decretas[/I] specified that Catholics could not pray or sing with heretics, schismatics or pagans. We were instructed, under pain of sin, to never participate in the liturgical acts of those who reject the one true Catholic Church. (1) [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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