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hafizsaad

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brother i humbly says you all time in past insisting on that there is no supernatural power and all was created itself.....my aim is not to hurt you....i have studied your link.....as said created in 2005 by Bobby Henderson as a satirical protest to the decision by the Kansas State Board of Education to require the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to biological evolution in public schools.this is the purpose of creation of religion..........i am sorry....no reasonable purpose......a satirical protest........on this purpose a religion has been created......the monster.......prophets.......heaven.......pirates...only to supports a theory......and some other ideas.....inspite the need of religion is Because man has to know what is beneficial or harmful, Is it good for him or bad for him? to purify his soul....
Some of these things may be known instinctively, some of it may be known by working it out in a rational manner, and some of it may only be known from the teachings and guidance of the Messengers.

No matter how impressive and attractive the atheist, materialist schools of thought may be, and no matter how many ideas and theories there may be, individuals and societies can never do without the true religion, they can never answer the needs of body and soul. The further the individual sinks into those ways, the more certain it becomes that he cannot find security or quench his thirst, and that there is no way out except through the true religion. Ernest Renan says: “It is possible that everything we love could disappear and that rational thinking, science and industry could cease to exist, but it is impossible that religion could be eliminated. Rather it will remain as proof that materialistic thought which wants to restrict man to the narrow path of the base life of this world is false.”
“It is impossible that the idea of religion could diminish, because it is the most refined inclination of the soul and its noblest emotion, in addition to being the inclination that ennobles man. Rather this inclination will increase and the religious nature of man will remain so long as he retains that reason which enables him to distinguish between beauty and ugliness. This instinct will increase according to his level of rationality.
On this basis, if there is anyone who says that man is sociable in nature, we must say that man is religious by nature. , because man has two strengths, knowledge and willpower, and his ultimate happiness depends on him acquiring both. Full knowledge can only be attained by knowing the following:

1- Knowing Allaah, the Creator and Provider Who created man from nothing and bestowed blessings upon him.

2- Knowing the names and attributes of Allaah, and the effect of these names upon His slaves.

3- Knowing the way to reach Him.

4- Knowing the obstacles that prevent man from knowing this way and the great blessings to which it leads.

5- Knowing yourself in a true sense, and knowing what your soul needs, what is good for it and what is bad for it, and knowing its faults and shortcomings.

These five matters will complete a person’s knowledge. Achieving perfect will power can only be achieved by paying attention to the rights of Allaah over His slaves and fulfilling them sincerely, adhering to that and bearing witness to the blessings of Allaah. These two strengths can only be perfected with the help of Allaah, so man needs Allaah to guide him to the Straight Path to which He guides His close friends.
 

Mononoke

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brother i humbly says you all time in past insisting on that there is no supernatural power and all was created itself.....my aim is not to hurt you....i have studied your link.....as said created in 2005 by Bobby Henderson as a satirical protest to the decision by the Kansas State Board of Education to require the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to biological evolution in public schools.this is the purpose of creation of religion..........i am sorry....no reasonable purpose......a satirical protest........on this purpose a religion has been created......the monster.......prophets.......heaven.......pirates...only to supports a theory......and some other ideas.....inspite the need of religion is Because man has to know what is beneficial or harmful, Is it good for him or bad for him? to purify his soul....
Some of these things may be known instinctively, some of it may be known by working it out in a rational manner, and some of it may only be known from the teachings and guidance of the Messengers.

Erm, can you give me one good reason I should beleive in your invisible magic-man over my exalted noodliness. And I find your accusations deeply insulting to my beliefs, please withdraw them before you are devoured by his tortelinoius fury.

No matter how impressive and attractive the atheist, materialist schools of thought may be, and no matter how many ideas and theories there may be, individuals and societies can never do without the true religion, they can never answer the needs of body and soul. The further the individual sinks into those ways, the more certain it becomes that he cannot find security or quench his thirst, and that there is no way out except through the true religion. Ernest Renan says: “It is possible that everything we love could disappear and that rational thinking, science and industry could cease to exist, but it is impossible that religion could be eliminated. Rather it will remain as proof that materialistic thought which wants to restrict man to the narrow path of the base life of this world is false.”
“It is impossible that the idea of religion could diminish, because it is the most refined inclination of the soul and its noblest emotion, in addition to being the inclination that ennobles man. Rather this inclination will increase and the religious nature of man will remain so long as he retains that reason which enables him to distinguish between beauty and ugliness. This instinct will increase according to his level of rationality.
On this basis, if there is anyone who says that man is sociable in nature, we must say that man is religious by nature. , because man has two strengths, knowledge and willpower, and his ultimate happiness depends on him acquiring both. Full knowledge can only be attained by knowing the following:

1- Knowing Allaah, the Creator and Provider Who created man from nothing and bestowed blessings upon him.

2- Knowing the names and attributes of Allaah, and the effect of these names upon His slaves.

3- Knowing the way to reach Him.

4- Knowing the obstacles that prevent man from knowing this way and the great blessings to which it leads.

5- Knowing yourself in a true sense, and knowing what your soul needs, what is good for it and what is bad for it, and knowing its faults and shortcomings.

These five matters will complete a person’s knowledge. Achieving perfect will power can only be achieved by paying attention to the rights of Allaah over His slaves and fulfilling them sincerely, adhering to that and bearing witness to the blessings of Allaah. These two strengths can only be perfected with the help of Allaah, so man needs Allaah to guide him to the Straight Path to which He guides His close friends.
I do not listen to the words of heathens, especially ones who plagiarize, only pirates speak the divine word.

RAmen!
 
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hafizsaad

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Erm, can you give me one good reason I should beleive in your invisible magic-man over my exalted noodliness. And I find your accusations deeply insulting to my beliefs, please withdraw them before you are devoured by his tortelinoius fury.

I do not listen to the words of heathens, especially ones who plagiarize, only pirates speak the divine word.

RAmen!
i have invited you humbly but you has blamed at the end in very .......style.
Man you always replying as you are only inteligent man but what happen to you. you have consider God like a sea animal octopus .weap on your brain....a things which is so small and a very ugly can made this universe.....if you search this forum you can see many reason from all religion like budhish, cristian, jews on the concept of God....but you are insisting on a self created religion,,,. self created image of God.....and fantasy stories....and stories....now let give proof as you always ask for proof.....a man with small brain and knowledge will not accept your these fantasy stories......no benefit of your preaching this fake religion at here .......why you are running from reality....just to support your unrealistic .........
you instead of taking benefits only blame in unethical way....i always like to give reference of peoples who are elder in knowledge from me...this not heathens....you are becoming jelus as you have no supported knowledge but just a fake stories of evolution and now intelligent design......


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Mononoke

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i have invited you humbly but you has blamed at the end in very .......style.
Man you always replying as you are only inteligent man but what happen to you. you have consider God like a sea animal octopus .weap on your brain....a things which is so small and a very ugly can made this universe.....

Once again you have very inconsiderately and dogmatically assaulted my GOD. You talk of aesthetics when your god prefers a crimson canvas topped with scattered viscera.

if you search this forum you can see many reason from all religion like budhish, cristian, jews on the concept of God....but you are insisting on a self created religion,,,. self created image of God.....and fantasy stories....and stories....

Fantasy stories you say, let me see: a man made out of dust, a woman made out of the breast bone of the man, an evil talking snake, talking bush, flying horse, and zombies. Hmm....

now let give proof as you always ask for proof.....a man with small brain and knowledge will not accept your these fantasy stories......no benefit of your preaching this fake religion at here .......why you are running from reality....just to support your unrealistic .........

I don't need proof, I have faith in his immanence and I have this picture. It is also funny that for someone accusing me of having a small brain, you can neither grasp his majestic Noodliness nor do you seem to grasp the basic rules of language and punctuation. It is also a tall order for someone who believes in an invisible magic-man to accuse me of being unrealistic.
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you instead of taking benefits only blame in unethical way....i always like to give reference of peoples who are elder in knowledge from me...this not heathens....you are becoming jelus as you have no supported knowledge but just a fake stories of evolution and now intelligent design......
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You accuse me of being unethical, but what are my unethical actions. Of course your books are full of wonderful examples of 'ethically sanctioned' rape, murder, slavery and pillaging.

We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him
That is the word of our god we do not seek to apply convenient interpretations to it in order to justify unwarranted actions. Take it as it is.

Once again, it is not too late for you.
RAmen!
 

Mononoke

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hey monocock

so you are a great local aithist ha?

can you define aithism for all of us please?

Why don't you spell atheism properly first?

P.S: calling a guy monocock isn't an insult. Unless, you have defective equipment
 
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hafizsaad

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I don't need proof, I have faith in his immanence and I have this picture.
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oh faith ...and faith on .......what i say what this picture seem to be...Your faith so cheap....man you are a intelligent man and have scientific knowledge.as you claim....you are accepting a religion which is far from the scientific knowledge....and Faith...there are evil forces in this universe who can disguise themselves in different styles and want to mislead the peoples from right path ...we say them Shatans...Jin. they always try to away peoples from reality and use different techniques . see below links

What methods does Satan use to tempt people?

Satan's Methods of Control

I challange you to make a poll and place this picture.....no rational person will be agree with you to accept that picture is of God ..the creator of the Universe....controller of the whole universe ,,,,may be like this.....

Infact .your pride on your Knowledge has thrown you to this lowest place....

Bow yourself to Almighty God...our purpose is not to impose but to tell you truth....My wording become harsh because you also use very harsh word in pride....this is my rule...Give respect...take respect.
 

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    oh faith ...and faith on .......what i say what this picture seem to be...Your faith so cheap....man you are a intelligent man and have scientific knowledge.as you claim....you are accepting a religion which is far from the scientific knowledge....and Faith...there are evil forces in this universe who can disguise themselves in different styles and want to mislead the peoples from right path ...we say them Shatans...Jin. they always try to away peoples from reality and use different techniques . see below links

    What methods does Satan use to tempt people?

    Satan's Methods of Control

    I challange you to make a poll and place this picture.....no rational person will be agree with you to accept that picture is of God ..the creator of the Universe....controller of the whole universe ,,,,may be like this.....

    Infact .your pride on your Knowledge has thrown you to this lowest place....

    Bow yourself to Almighty God...our purpose is not to impose but to tell you truth....My wording become harsh because you also use very harsh word in pride....this is my rule...Give respect...take respect.

    What a bamboozle !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     

    Mononoke

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    oh faith ...and faith on .......what i say what this picture seem to be...Your faith so cheap....man you are a intelligent man and have scientific knowledge.as you claim....you are accepting a religion which is far from the scientific knowledge....and Faith...there are evil forces in this universe who can disguise themselves in different styles and want to mislead the peoples from right path ...we say them Shatans...Jin. they always try to away peoples from reality and use different techniques . see below links

    What methods does Satan use to tempt people?

    Satan's Methods of Control

    I challange you to make a poll and place this picture.....no rational person will be agree with you to accept that picture is of God ..the creator of the Universe....controller of the whole universe ,,,,may be like this.....

    Infact .your pride on your Knowledge has thrown you to this lowest place....

    Bow yourself to Almighty God...our purpose is not to impose but to tell you truth....My wording become harsh because you also use very harsh word in pride....this is my rule...Give respect...take respect.

    how about you make a poll about flying horses and talking snakes.
     
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