This is how Buddha sasana would disappear.

[kosandpol]

at one point the "morphies" explains neo, what "real" is. All the five sences are just electrical signals. if we could give the electrical impulses externally, by some or other way, the brain will think that it as real and we'd be addicted to those impulses as by now we are addicted to the five sences. Our brain just interprit them as real. (taste or colour or anything else) Yes, it's true that we have only the matrix. Not another "real world". Anyway, there's something to think.

The explanation given by Morpheus is correct there. This is exactly how the brain interprets senses. Science has reached a state where its is possible to fool the senses via those electrical signals. That is how some blind people are able to "see" , some prosthetic limbs are able to work like the real thing, etc (there was a nice program on discover channel about that).

Anyway, what do you think of the "choice' the "architect" talks about in the presence of neo. Have you watched "the Minority Report". They also talk/ chriticize about the "choice". In any situation we have a choice.

According to the architect, choice is simply a self made illusion to fool ourselves since the choice we make has already been made long before the choice is given. Inside the matrix, this maybe true since the whole matrix is a predefined program. I'd like to believe that in the real world, this is not so.
Minority Report looks in to intention. Not choice.

That's why the buddhism is not a "niyathi waada" like some other religions does. The future is not written anywhere. It depends on how we act today. Simply the choise we choose in different different situations in situations where there are more than one option. So, We can't see past a choice.

Not quite. Karma gets in the way there. Some choices we make in this life time maybe influenced by karma from a past life time (it gets messy after from there onwards..)

Don't tell that I'm crazy over that movie.
I may be..

Really ? I thought the nick and avatar was just coincidence!

BTW, I was crazy over The Matrix but Reloaded and Revolutions killed it for me.

 

[neo76]

The explanation given by Morpheus is correct there. This is exactly how the brain interprets senses. Science has reached a state where its is possible to fool the senses via those electrical signals. That is how some blind people are able to "see" , some prosthetic limbs are able to work like the real thing, etc (there was a nice program on discover channel about that).


According to the architect, choice is simply a self made illusion to fool ourselves since the choice we make has already been made long before the choice is given. Inside the matrix, this maybe true since the whole matrix is a predefined program. I'd like to believe that in the real world, this is not so.
Minority Report looks in to intention. Not choice.

Not quite. Karma gets in the way there. Some choices we make in this life time maybe influenced by karma from a past life time (it gets messy after from there onwards..)

Really ? I thought the nick and avatar was just coincidence!

BTW, I was crazy over The Matrix but Reloaded and Revolutions killed it for me.

well.... ok. that nick has not been a co - incident.
I feel that you have pattern of logical thinking.
Same here. I was crazy over the "matrix I".

But what the movie producers do is, when a movie gets popular, they go for the part II and III. Anyway, i have not read the book. Is it the same as the movie.

What you say is correct. In real life, it's not just choice. Accourding to buddhism, there are meny niyaama dharma, including කර්ම නියාම, උතු නියාම, ධම්ම නියාම… etc etc, effecting the outcome/ the final result. So.., it's not just choice, and it'd not just kamma. A cumulative effect.

So... in the beginning of the discussion, it was said that the buddhism dissappears due to the things which appear like buddhist teaching. I too heard it so and I believe it true. So.. what do you know about sasana vinaashaya, kalpa vinaashaya and loka vinaashaya. I heard that all the details are in a separate suththa. But unfortunately, i haven't read it upto now.

 

[neo76]

I have read about it a bit. The thripitaka was available inline on www.meththa.lk Have to read it up. At least some of it to get an idea, as where we can find what loard buddha said, as it is, is the suthra pitakaya. (may be least altered)

 

[kosandpol]

well.... ok. that nick has not been a co - incident.

err.. I guess the sarcasm was lost there. Guess I need to work on my sense of humor..

Anyway, i have not read the book. Is it the same as the movie.

There's a BOOK as well ??
Now that's going over the limit.

What you say is correct. In real life, it's not just choice. Accourding to buddhism, there are meny niyaama dharma, including කර්ම නියාම, උතු නියාම, ධම්ම නියාම… etc etc, effecting the outcome/ the final result. So.., it's not just choice, and it'd not just kamma. A cumulative effect.

Hence what the architect said. The choice has been pre determined!

So... in the beginning of the discussion, it was said that the buddhism dissappears due to the things which appear like buddhist teaching. I too heard it so and I believe it true. So.. what do you know about sasana vinaashaya, kalpa vinaashaya and loka vinaashaya. I heard that all the details are in a separate suththa. But unfortunately, i haven't read it upto now.

actually I've not read those either. Finding a copy of the Thripitakaya in Sinhala or English is a rather hard thing.

 

[kosandpol]

I have read about it a bit. The thripitaka was available inline on www.meththa.lk Have to read it up. At least some of it to get an idea, as where we can find what loard buddha said, as it is, is the suthra pitakaya. (may be least altered)

thanks for the link. Will have to read it up.

 

[neo76]

Matrix 2 and 3, Neo being heralded as a healer and great teacher in Zion, his self sacrifice so that Zion will be spared was directly taken from Christianity. The Walwosky brothers pretty much said so in an interview about the movie series.

it doesn't matter. we are looking for "what is right, not who is right". the christ was a great person. recently I watched the "christhu charithaya" and I admired a lot.

There what the crist teaches/ say mimics the features of an "arahath" or somebody enlightened. He washed his desiples feet and taught his desiples that you should do the same. that's implies that he has lots the feeling that "I'm superior than some one else" and that's a feature of an enlightened person. He taught his desiples to love all others. That's the same as maithree taught in buddhism.

Some people say that, at arround the year 600 after load buddha, or the era when the christ origins, is the period the buddhism was most popular in rome, afganisthan etc etc, and the "baamiyan" buddha statues are evidence of that. And they say " the christ's teachings has budhdha's teachings". I don't know about that.

Anyway, they both tried to teach very good things.

 

[kosandpol]

it doesn't matter. we are looking for "what is right, not who is right". the christ was a great person. recently I watched the "christhu charithaya" and I admired a lot.

There what the crist teaches/ say mimics the features of an "arahath" or somebody enlightened. He washed his desiples feet and taught his desiples that you should do the same. that's implies that he has lots the feeling that "I'm superior than some one else" and that's a feature of an enlightened person. He taught his desiples to love all others. That's the same as maithree taught in buddhism.

Agreed.

Some people say that, at arround the year 600 after load buddha, or the era when the christ origins, is the period the buddhism was most popular in rome, afganisthan etc etc, and the "baamiyan" buddha statues are evidence of that. And they say " the christ's teachings has budhdha's teachings". I don't know about that.

Afganistan was part of india in those times. There is evidence that Buddha himself had visited those areas during his lifetime.
Rome had Buddhism ? that's something I havent heard before.

Anyway, they both tried to teach very good things.

yeah. too bad that the followers only follow what they want to follow, instead of what was taught.

 

[neo76]

too bad that the followers only follow what they want to follow, instead of what was taught.

true.

I have a catholic friend and we are used to have discussions and arguements about each others religions. Only constructive criticism. I alway remember that loard budhdha taught, not to look down other religions.

 

[kosandpol]

I have a catholic friend and we are used to have discussions and arguements about each others religions. Only constructive criticism. I alway remember that loard budhdha taught, not to look down other religions.

its a case of apples and oranges. You cannot argue on deity based religions and karma based doctrines. There's no common ground.

 

[neo76]

i think you are correct

 

[kalyanamithra]

I alway remember that loard budhdha taught, not to look down other religions.

That's right

Moreover, the aim of discussing Dhamma should be helping one another following the Path..

However, when the need arise, those practicing Dhamma need to counter others; only prevent infiltration of other dhittis into what we practice...
Again the aim is to preserve Dhamma as it is... for the future generations...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[neo76]

That's right

Moreover, the aim of discussing Dhamma should be helping one another following the Path..

However, when the need arise, those practicing Dhamma need to counter others; only prevent infiltration of other dhittis into what we practice...
Again the aim is to preserve Dhamma as it is... for the future generations...

Theruwan saranai!

I see two things in common between us. (although we have different views regarding some issues)

1.) we are interested in dhamma.
2.) We want that to be preserved for the next generation.

another thing. we like discussing these issues with people who are inetreseted and have some knowledge about the topic. (kaalena dhamma saakachcha... a mangala reason..)

May the tripple jem bless you..

 

[neo76]

why don't other elakirians join these discussions. Only constructive criticism

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

why don't other elakirians join these discussions. Only constructive criticism

Dhamma is the basic need of life but neglected out of ignorance...
Fast food is more popular.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

why don't other elakirians join these discussions. Only constructive criticism

I think Elakiri talk is the right place for Dhamma talks.. They need this more...
but this is moved here... have no choice.. Here it should be talks on actual practice.
I like to talk Dhamma with non-believers and talk only actual practice with believers.
Once one trust in Buddha's word there is no use of go on memoriing his words.
It took Ven Ananda to attain nibbana 3 months with full text he could memoried he got Directly from Buddha for twenty five years as a Sothapanna.
Memorizing and discussions help very little compared to actual practice of Vipassana.

 

[neo76]

very correct.
just knowing the facts wont help.

we have to practice

 

[kalyanamithra]

Pinwath mithura,

Memorizing and discussions help very little compared to actual practice of Vipassana.

That's true.
Better to say actual practice of samata vipassana;
For some people -> samata follows vipassana (samata pubbangama vipassana); for some others it's the other way around; for the rest both samata and vipassana grows together.

What important is practicing Dhamma - i.e. following the Noble Eightfold Path;
which is not just sila; or just samadhi; or just panna...

It is a path which has all sila, samadhi and panna..
But the aim is something else... it is vimukti (liberation)... [from what? from the suffering, the samsara....]

quick note: Supreme Buddha has not advocated the way vipassna is practiced by many today.

It took Ven Ananda to attain nibbana 3 months with full text he could memoried he got Directly from Buddha for twenty five years as a Sothapanna.

That's because of the way Indriya Dharma develops in people..
Only the Supreme Buddha can see how it happens in others..
(recall that Supreme Buddha has even fortell that Ven. Ananda would attain the Arahanthood that very life...)

What important to us is practicing Dhamma..
And to make sure we are not mislead by various distortions - we nead an armory (අවි ගබඩාව)...
What is that?
(It's a similie used by the Supreme Buddha - mentioned in Nagarupama Sutta )
It's our knowledge in Dhamma...

We do not know in which order Indriya Dhamma will develop in us...
So we should try to have every skill developed: shraddha (confidence), sila (virtue), suta (knowledge of Dhamma), viriya (endeavor), samadi (concentration), panna (wosdom)...

How can we do it?
Try to come to the Path...
How, by examining our life (the world) through Dhamma...
For that we need to know Dhamma (at least to some extent...)

That's why we should discuss Dhamma as discoursed by the Supreme Buddha in his discourses.. not the way it's interpreted in later books (ofcourse, there's no problem with books that agree with the Discourses... )

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

why don't other elakirians join these discussions. Only constructive criticism

Pinwath mithura,

There was a time; we discussed in EK, the deep aspects of Dhamma.. citing from the discourses...

But lot of diversions came (Vegetarinaism, comparing with other Religions, Conversions, crying that the order of the Supreme Buddha dissapears, etc. etc. were key diversions)..

People (unless they are already practicing Dhamma) get lured away; because those topics are very appealing to this mind (which is based on Avijja/ignorance)...

Many got exhausted..
That's why we do not have many people left..

Theruwan saranai!

 

[neo76]

pinwath kalyaanamithraya.

I'm sure that we have many things to learn from you.
We do not have many weapons in our "avi gabadaawa".

So.. could you tell us some more about the noble eightfold pathway.
I think it's the thing we should do.
Loard budhdha wanted to teach us how to attain nibbana.
The other aspects (e.g. ලෝක විශය) he, had to tell while explaining some aspects.
It's nice to know loka vishaya.
But what we must know is the "ආර්ය අශ්ටාන්ගික මාර්ගය".

So.. if you have time, tell us more about the noble eight fold pathway, how we develop samatha and vipassanaa.

You said that the vipassanaa the loard budhdha told us is different from what being practiced these days. So.. what's that difference. You told that you are not a monk. How do you find this much of time to learn and practice buddhism. I think we have many things to learn from you.

තෙරුවන් සරණයි.

 

[neo76]

Some centuries back, there have been people who had attained the enlightment (අරහත්). But, we understand that there are no people in the current world who have attained enlightment. What has gone wrong. Are they following a wring pathway? We see that many people try their best to find what is truth. But we do not hear that there are people who have achieved the goal.