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<blockquote data-quote="AtulaSiriwardane" data-source="post: 3942944" data-attributes="member: 120286"><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red"><strong>Washie gurukam is not acceptable in Buddha's teaching.. </strong></span></span></p><p><strong>Wrong Livelihood <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#rightlivelihood" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/icon/scrollup.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></strong></p><p></p><p> Wrong livelihood for a bhikkhu is divided into two:</p><p> One category concerns a bhikkhu searching for a living in a way that is also considered wrong by worldly norms. For example, robbing or deceiving others by claiming to be enlightened and receiving gifts and support because of people's belief. (See <em><a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#robbery" target="_blank">Robbery by False Pretences</a></em> above)</p><p> <span style="color: Red"><strong>The second category involves making a living that is wrong according to the Vinaya.</strong> </span>For example: begging or asking from an unsuitable person or at an unsuitable time (see <em><a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#invitation" target="_blank">Invitation</a>);</em> thinking to gain something by giving a little but hoping for much in return; <span style="color: Red"><strong>investing to gain interest; making a living by trade, for instance, giving medical treatment for reward.</strong></span><a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#n115" target="_blank">115</a></p><p> Also to seek reward from:</p><p> <em>"the ceremony for [chanting] paritta (verses of protection), that is, making holy water and the sacred thread, the blowing of a charmed formula onto a person by a bhikkhu is also prohibited... It is allowed only to recite the paritta [protection verses], but this also occurs later and is not found in the Paali [texts]... [<strong><span style="color: Red">This is wrong livelihood and a] bhikkhu who seeks his living in this way is called alajjii, 'one who has no shame.</span></strong>'" (EV,II,p.129)</em></p><p></p><p><em>from </em><a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#wronglivelihood" target="_blank">The Bhikkhus' Rules</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>But at this age there are monks who have got caught having sex with women in Vihara ge.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Sexual Intercourse <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#relationships" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/icon/scrollup.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></strong></p><p></p><p>The rule was originally laid down because of Venerable Sudinna. He was the son of a rich merchant, who left home to become a bhikkhu only after great opposition from his family. He went away to practice Dhamma and when he came back to visit sometime later, his parents were overjoyed to see him and plotted to lure him back into the lay life again. They invited him for a meal and then laid out their wealth in front of him, piled up in two huge heaps of gold, while the wife he had left behind dressed herself in her most irresistibly alluring way. Venerable Sudinna remained unmoved by all of this. After telling them to throw the gold away in the river, he called his former wife, "Sister." Nevertheless, when his elderly mother pleaded with him at least to give them an heir, he foolishly gave in and had sexual intercourse with his former wife. This First Defeater Offence is summarized:</p><p> <em>"A bhikkhu who engages in any form of sexual intercourse is </em><a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#paaraajika" target="_blank"><em>(Paaraajika</em></a>) <em>Defeated." (Paar. 1; See BMC p.45)</em> </p><p> Every form and variety of sexual intercourse with sexual penetration — whether genital, oral or anal, whether with woman, man or animal — is forbidden. The penalty is the heaviest one of <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#paaraajika" target="_blank"><em>Paaraajika</em> or Defeat</a>.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>a) The Four <em>Paaraajika</em> — The Defeaters</strong></p><p></p><p> The new bhikkhu is told about the <em>Paaraajika</em> Offences immediately after ordination, so he fully knows that they are the most serious of all the offences and that the consequences of transgressing them causes him to be no longer a bhikkhu. The nature of the act that breaks any of these four <em>Paaraajika</em> rules clearly reveals that the bhikkhu is no longer interested in developing the subtle and refined way of Dhamma. The alternative of voluntarily disrobing is always available if he feels he can no longer keep the Rule and this is considered a much better way to handle this sort of overwhelming desire.</p><p> A monk automatically falls from being a bhikkhu<a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#n31" target="_blank">31</a> by committing any of these four offences of Defeat: sexual-intercourse, murder, major-theft, or falsely claiming supernormal abilities. A bhikkhu who falls into any of these four Defeater offences thereby severs himself irrevocably from the bhikkhu community and is no longer considered a bhikkhu. The text portrays it with some vivid similes showing their irreparable nature: as 'a man with his head cut off'; as 'a withered leaf fallen from its stem'; as 'a palm tree cut down'; as 'a broken stone.' For while all the other offences can be remedied, these four are terminal.</p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Happy if you read all of this... I never expected that any EK member would read this.. Not the members who reply my posts.</span><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AtulaSiriwardane, post: 3942944, member: 120286"] [SIZE=4][COLOR=Red][B]Washie gurukam is not acceptable in Buddha's teaching.. [/B][/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]Wrong Livelihood [URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#rightlivelihood"][IMG]http://www.accesstoinsight.org/icon/scrollup.gif[/IMG][/URL][/B] Wrong livelihood for a bhikkhu is divided into two: One category concerns a bhikkhu searching for a living in a way that is also considered wrong by worldly norms. For example, robbing or deceiving others by claiming to be enlightened and receiving gifts and support because of people's belief. (See [I][URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#robbery"]Robbery by False Pretences[/URL][/I] above) [COLOR=Red][B]The second category involves making a living that is wrong according to the Vinaya.[/B] [/COLOR]For example: begging or asking from an unsuitable person or at an unsuitable time (see [I][URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#invitation"]Invitation[/URL]);[/I] thinking to gain something by giving a little but hoping for much in return; [COLOR=Red][B]investing to gain interest; making a living by trade, for instance, giving medical treatment for reward.[/B][/COLOR][URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#n115"]115[/URL] Also to seek reward from: [I]"the ceremony for [chanting] paritta (verses of protection), that is, making holy water and the sacred thread, the blowing of a charmed formula onto a person by a bhikkhu is also prohibited... It is allowed only to recite the paritta [protection verses], but this also occurs later and is not found in the Paali [texts]... [[B][COLOR=Red]This is wrong livelihood and a] bhikkhu who seeks his living in this way is called alajjii, 'one who has no shame.[/COLOR][/B]'" (EV,II,p.129)[/I] [I]from [/I][URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#wronglivelihood"]The Bhikkhus' Rules[/URL] But at this age there are monks who have got caught having sex with women in Vihara ge. [B]Sexual Intercourse [URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#relationships"][IMG]http://www.accesstoinsight.org/icon/scrollup.gif[/IMG][/URL][/B] The rule was originally laid down because of Venerable Sudinna. He was the son of a rich merchant, who left home to become a bhikkhu only after great opposition from his family. He went away to practice Dhamma and when he came back to visit sometime later, his parents were overjoyed to see him and plotted to lure him back into the lay life again. They invited him for a meal and then laid out their wealth in front of him, piled up in two huge heaps of gold, while the wife he had left behind dressed herself in her most irresistibly alluring way. Venerable Sudinna remained unmoved by all of this. After telling them to throw the gold away in the river, he called his former wife, "Sister." Nevertheless, when his elderly mother pleaded with him at least to give them an heir, he foolishly gave in and had sexual intercourse with his former wife. This First Defeater Offence is summarized: [I]"A bhikkhu who engages in any form of sexual intercourse is [/I][URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#paaraajika"][I](Paaraajika[/I][/URL]) [I]Defeated." (Paar. 1; See BMC p.45)[/I] Every form and variety of sexual intercourse with sexual penetration — whether genital, oral or anal, whether with woman, man or animal — is forbidden. The penalty is the heaviest one of [URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#paaraajika"][I]Paaraajika[/I] or Defeat[/URL]. [B]a) The Four [I]Paaraajika[/I] — The Defeaters[/B] The new bhikkhu is told about the [I]Paaraajika[/I] Offences immediately after ordination, so he fully knows that they are the most serious of all the offences and that the consequences of transgressing them causes him to be no longer a bhikkhu. The nature of the act that breaks any of these four [I]Paaraajika[/I] rules clearly reveals that the bhikkhu is no longer interested in developing the subtle and refined way of Dhamma. The alternative of voluntarily disrobing is always available if he feels he can no longer keep the Rule and this is considered a much better way to handle this sort of overwhelming desire. A monk automatically falls from being a bhikkhu[URL="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#n31"]31[/URL] by committing any of these four offences of Defeat: sexual-intercourse, murder, major-theft, or falsely claiming supernormal abilities. A bhikkhu who falls into any of these four Defeater offences thereby severs himself irrevocably from the bhikkhu community and is no longer considered a bhikkhu. The text portrays it with some vivid similes showing their irreparable nature: as 'a man with his head cut off'; as 'a withered leaf fallen from its stem'; as 'a palm tree cut down'; as 'a broken stone.' For while all the other offences can be remedied, these four are terminal. [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]Happy if you read all of this... I never expected that any EK member would read this.. Not the members who reply my posts.[/COLOR]:) [/QUOTE]
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