I said muslims do not have an open mind when it comes to the concept of GOD. I did not say muslims can't look, like you mentioned below.
yes.u told in that way.it means that muslims cant see(look) a thing with open mind.
Not really. See according to you a muslim is a person who believes in GOD and he does not have an open mind to accept anything else when it comes to GOD concept. So a muslim is a person who is close minded to the idea that GOD may or may not exist. He is not open minded when it comes to the idea of GOD.
i already told u a person becoms a complete muslim when his faith of god get 100% confirm.so what is the point in asking him to b open.he is very much ok with his believe.he has 100% confident over his believe.it is like a child who is sure about his dad.those who doubt will do a dna test.
a person with an open mind will search everything openly.and once he realised that islam is the correct way and accept it.so after that he get 100% satisfied and no more doubts.so the statements like a muslim cant see with open mind or brain washed will not make any sense.
Exactly, when he closes his mind to the idea that there can be other explanations for the existence other than GOD, he becomes a muslim and close minded to any other ideas.
i think u should open ur mind and realise that ,
a person realise the god and find that there is no other explanations needed to understand god,become a muslim as he is so much convince with what he believe in.
Well according to Scholar like Zakir Naik, and some Sunni schools, leaving Islam is punishable by death. There are rules against it, clearly you don't know about them it seems.
i never saw a video of zakir naik telling this.and of course he ansewred a person who asking it during a question ansewr section that not a person who leaves islam give death panalty,but if he leaves islam and start to propagate and malay about islam should put to death.
Good that you established this fact. Now don't babble saying "You don't agree when I presented you with evidence" again. I know my understanding can be wrong. This is why I never say I present evidence. I only present reasonable logic to the best of my understanding.
i will reply u separately.
Really? You are much more intelligent than I ever thought.
First I know that muslims discuss and ask questions. I live with two muslim brothers. I never said that you do not. But I do not take back what I said. I still say you follow a book blindly. First you tell me that I should omit from my mind the fact that muslims believe because their book says so. Then you ask me what's wrong in believing in a book? So which one is it? Do you believe because the book says so or not? If not then there's no point in discussing whether the book is correct or not right?
first ur telling that u never said we dont.
secondly ur telling that we are following it blindly.clarify this with ur self.i dont even need a reply.
also if a book tells me that 2+2 is 4 i will agree because i know that if some one give me 2 rupees and another one give me 2 rupees i will get a total of 4.
but is there is a book which tells that 2+2 is 3 or 2+2 is 5 i will not agree.coz i can understand that its wrong.
so following a book can be wrong for u but for me if its correct no harm in believing.
also we beleive in the author of the book and follow his commandments(book)
if u want to prove my book is wrong point me out.i will reply u.
What does it show again? "Islam is not allow us to ask questions"? can you clarify this sentence?
u think that islam not allow us to ask questions.but its not like that.we can ask and clarify.i mentioned about dr zakir naik challenging to provide a verse from bible and he will leave islam to show u how open a muslim can think.
You don't have any proof for your belief. You present a book as evidence. But the only answer you have to the question "why you think the book offers truth?" is "Because the book says so". This is circular logic. This is just blindly following something because you are born to these concepts.
tell me why u think book is false.ur are blind because u think cant believe in a god which u cant see with ur eyes.
u dont like to understand that god doesnt come front of us because he didnt create us in a way where we dont have the strenght to face him.so he chose men among people to convey is message and the purpose of creating us.
there are many quranic verses which proved my many scientist proved to be correct 100%. so what u think of that? in this age if any1 tells something we will not pay much attention because we know the science and technology is so advanced.but think how a illiterate man narrating all of those things 1400 years ago.islam is not based on magic or anything.it clearly tells us correctly to the point.it is the only book scripture which is available in a language which is still present.
What are you talking about? I agree that you are born muslim and that you yourself are satisfied with your faith. Where did I not agree with this?
not about me i talking about us/muslims here.
Why should I say something about them? Is it relevant? Who ever converts to Islam is a muslim just like you who has closed his mind to ideas other than one GOD Allah.
yes he kept open his mind and automatically closed when found the truth.door is an automatic 1.it will open when u have doubts ,it will get close when u clear.
What about them? I know that in some countries they get killed. Other than that what?
may be.i dont know and i dont believe every news which publish.but in islam it tells in hadees to do so when any1 start to maly about islam after leaving.there are many people even at the time of prophet who left islam after believing in it.but never heard of a hadees mentioning killing them.
Now we have already established the fact that what you bring as proof unless it is real proof(proved with maths, or logic) is not proof for me. So what you can try to do is bring out your logic and try to establish your point. I don't have to agree with you on anything. I don't expect you to shut your mouth. In fact I expect you to do the exactly opposite and keep this thread running. And I want you to explain things as you understand.
what u mean by this?
yes u cant expect me to shut my mouth because ur the 1 who wanted to know the view of a muslim so that ur open mind can grab something!!!
The point I want to emphasize is that, you always say "I brought the evidence or proof, but you don't agree". I'm saying there' s no evidence for GOD. Even if you say it's evidence or proof, I might not take it as evidence or proof. And there's no evidence that suggests GOD does not exist either. So saying you have evidence is wrong, unless you have evidence. What you have is logic, and you may present it, and I may or may not agree.
tell me what type of eveidence u want.u may tell that if u cant see that with ur eyes u will not believe in it,right?!!
it is like a blind man telling that he dont believe in colours coz he cant see that.
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FONT=Trebuchet MS]Let me break it down for you.
(1) A person may have his doubts, and he may have an open mind about whether GOD exists or not. - We both agree
(2) This person becomes a muslim when submits to will of allah - [/FONT]We both agree
(3) At the point he becomes a muslim he closes his mind to the fact that there can be any other GOD or any other explanation for our existence(Because he is satisfied completely with his belief). - Do you agree????
(4) If he dares to doubt his GOD, at this point he becomes a non muslim - Do you agree?
(5) Therefor a muslim has only one opinion about the concept of GOD - Do you agree?
(6) Therefore a muslim is closed mind to the concept of GOD. - Do you agree?
I'm hoping at least now you can understand that 2+2 =4.
3.yes
4no.doubt will not make him a non muslim.thats why there are learned people who are there to clear our doubts.if we are satisfied we can go ahead.if not and the doubt get confirm as false he will become a non muslim.
5.no.
6.no.
4 th answer is sufficient for ur all 4 questions.
1.What will not make you sinners?
2. Useless explaining what?
3.Do any muslims just telling what?
4. What is really happening?
5. I don't understand what you are talking about.
6.Are you talking about blind faith?
