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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 9637523" data-attributes="member: 262433">I said muslims do not have an open mind when it comes to the concept of GOD. I did not say muslims can't look, like you mentioned below.Not really. See according to you a muslim is a person who believes in GOD and he does not have an open mind to accept anything else when it comes to GOD concept. So a muslim is a person who is close minded to the idea that GOD may or may not exist. He is not open minded when it comes to the idea of GOD.How is it relevant?Exactly, when he closes his mind to the idea that there can be other explanations for the existence other than GOD, he becomes a muslim and close minded to any other ideas.Well according to Scholar like Zakir Naik, and some Sunni schools, leaving Islam is punishable by death. There are rules against it, clearly you don't know about them it seems.Good that you established this fact. Now don't babble saying "You don't agree when I presented you with evidence" again. I know my understanding can be wrong. This is why I never say I present evidence. I only present reasonable logic to the best of my understanding.Really? You are much more intelligent than I ever thought.First I know that muslims discuss and ask questions. I live with two muslim brothers. I never said that you do not. But I do not take back what I said. I still say you follow a book blindly. First you tell me that I should omit from my mind the fact that muslims believe because their book says so. Then you ask me what's wrong in believing in a book? So which one is it? Do you believe because the book says so or not? If not then there's no point in discussing whether the book is correct or not right?What does it show again? "Islam is not allow us to ask questions"? can you clarify this sentence?You don't have any proof for your belief. You present a book as evidence. But the only answer you have to the question "why you think the book offers truth?" is "Because the book says so". This is circular logic. This is just blindly following something because you are born to these concepts.  What are you talking about? I agree that you are born muslim and that you yourself are satisfied with your faith. Where did I not agree with this?Why should I say something about them? Is it relevant? Who ever converts to Islam is a muslim just like you who has closed his mind to ideas other than one GOD Allah.What about them? I know that in some countries they get killed. Other than that what?Now we have already established the fact that what you bring as proof unless it is real proof(proved with maths, or logic) is not proof for me. So what you can try to do is bring out your logic and try to establish your point. I don't have to agree with you on anything. I don't expect you to shut your mouth. In fact I expect you to do the exactly opposite and keep this thread running. And I want you to explain things as you understand.The point I want to emphasize is that, you always say "I brought the evidence or proof, but you don't agree". I'm saying there' s no evidence for GOD. Even if you say it's evidence or proof, I might not take it as evidence or proof. And there's no evidence that suggests GOD does not exist either. So saying you have evidence is wrong, unless you have evidence. What you have is logic, and you may present it, and I may or may not agree. Let me break it down for you.(1) A person may have his doubts, and he may have an open mind about whether GOD exists or not. - We both agree(2) This person becomes a muslim when submits to will of allah - We both agree(3) At the point he becomes a muslim he closes his mind to the fact that there can be any other GOD or any other explanation for our existence(Because he is satisfied completely with his belief). - Do you agree????(4) If he dares to doubt his GOD, at this point he becomes a non muslim - Do you agree?(5) Therefor a muslim has only one opinion about the concept of GOD - Do you agree?(6) Therefore a muslim is closed mind to the concept of GOD. - Do you agree?I'm hoping at least now you can understand that 2+2 =4.What will not make you sinners? Useless explaining what? Do any muslims just telling what? What is really happening? I don't understand what you are talking about.Are you talking about blind faith?</blockquote>

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