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<blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 7371908" data-attributes="member: 262433"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">First of all my posts on Buddhism are ideas I developed and don't take them as a basis of Buddhism. Its up to you to understand and realize what it is about.</span></span></strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Not to the one GOD you believe(I'm tired of saying this, this is the third time.) He uses the name "Deviya" to define a creature. Just like we used the words "Aliya" or "Haraka". Buddha has divided the universe in to 31 (Number is not that important ) planes, all based on the state of mind. The word 'deviya' from sinhala is translated to the word English word GOD.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">As I have clearly explained in the previous post, buddha's ideas on OMNIMAX GOD was clear.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">True. But the post is contradictory. Earlier you said, Buddha did not deny the existence but was silent about it.(This happens when you copy paste from internet without reading. There's a lot of shit lying around in the internet machan)</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So does every religion. Human morality is the question that every religion try to get a hand on, although the definition is subjective.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The point of all religions is this. For an example, Islam talks about the paradise after this moral life, you may not give the exact definition suffering. But the whole idea is that you are preparing to go to a better place after this mortal life, an escape.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I'm not gonna talk about intellectuality or scientific basis of Buddhism, that's another topic. However whoever wrote this does not really know anything about buddhism. karma is just one of the basic ideas in buddhism. reincarnation is a word used for something buddha called 'punarbhawaya' but is not translated to the exact meaning. If you look a bit into 'abhidharma' buddha has explained why somethings can never be explained by mere words. The reason is that languages and words are a creation of man, and thereby the words and symbols("Namaroopa") are all subjective in a sense. The language is limited to words and symbols only understood/seen by man, because that's how he identify it. We identify a certain object as chair because its been named the chair. If we named that object 'table' we will identify it as a table. So the words are subjective and not real. But truth is objective and even without words one can understand it if he realize it. So you cannot just translate the word reincarnation to your own language and assume that is what buddha is talking about. He is talking about something like that but it is entirely different IMO. You will see the difference when you try to understand one another concept called, 'no-self'. Buddha explains there is really no-self, which begs to the question ok then what is reincarnated? Like I said it is beyond simple. Buddhism is only for those who are wise.</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Other note, karma and reincarnation(not the correct word) are just two concepts among many others, such as the concept of cause and effect, four noble truths, Eight fold paths, Ata lo dahama, etc. Also there are concepts buddha has not directly talked about but is in his teachings, Ex: Concept of no time (This is the name I call it).</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">True to the best of my knowledge.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Buddha does not talk about the origin of Universe. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I have been looking my whole life and never seen such evidence anywhere in the world. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Not true. According to buddha it is not necessary to know these to attain Nirwana. However really important to think about these and learn. He has emphasized the importance of this free thinking. For an example: Only if you think about these, you will understand the theory of Intelligent Design is illogical. If you just continue to believe something because you were taught that from the age 6, without leaving no margin for doubt you become that illogical person. So in fact it is very important to think about those things.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Not true. Buddha has talked in depth about family, friends, business, importance of health, environment, many other things and thereby instruction on how to live a good life. </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> I like to say that Buddhism is not a religion, it's a way of life. A religion is always based on faith, not free thinking.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This is exactly the opposite. Buddhist view is far broader than any other religion. Most Abrahamic religions narrow their belief to the concept of creationism and they do not venture to explore anything beyond that. Hence their narrow thinking is limited to supernatural and faith. Whereas in buddhism it is encouraged to learn everything and decide yourself.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Already explained. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> This is entirely wrong.</span></span></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> Buddhism is a philosophy that explores the nature of universe. It just does not base anything on faith, it has a logical foundation.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Machan, I really can't reply to copy paste posts(Like this one from the second sentence). I don't have that much time to spend on this. But come up with your own ideas and maybe we can discuss. But there's no need to debate. When it comes to buddhism, we can always agree to disagree and move on. </span></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AncientGlory, post: 7371908, member: 262433"] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]First of all my posts on Buddhism are ideas I developed and don't take them as a basis of Buddhism. Its up to you to understand and realize what it is about.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Not to the one GOD you believe(I'm tired of saying this, this is the third time.) He uses the name "Deviya" to define a creature. Just like we used the words "Aliya" or "Haraka". Buddha has divided the universe in to 31 (Number is not that important ) planes, all based on the state of mind. The word 'deviya' from sinhala is translated to the word English word GOD. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]As I have clearly explained in the previous post, buddha's ideas on OMNIMAX GOD was clear.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]True. But the post is contradictory. Earlier you said, Buddha did not deny the existence but was silent about it.(This happens when you copy paste from internet without reading. There's a lot of shit lying around in the internet machan)[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] So does every religion. Human morality is the question that every religion try to get a hand on, although the definition is subjective.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]The point of all religions is this. For an example, Islam talks about the paradise after this moral life, you may not give the exact definition suffering. But the whole idea is that you are preparing to go to a better place after this mortal life, an escape.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I'm not gonna talk about intellectuality or scientific basis of Buddhism, that's another topic. However whoever wrote this does not really know anything about buddhism. karma is just one of the basic ideas in buddhism. reincarnation is a word used for something buddha called 'punarbhawaya' but is not translated to the exact meaning. If you look a bit into 'abhidharma' buddha has explained why somethings can never be explained by mere words. The reason is that languages and words are a creation of man, and thereby the words and symbols("Namaroopa") are all subjective in a sense. The language is limited to words and symbols only understood/seen by man, because that's how he identify it. We identify a certain object as chair because its been named the chair. If we named that object 'table' we will identify it as a table. So the words are subjective and not real. But truth is objective and even without words one can understand it if he realize it. So you cannot just translate the word reincarnation to your own language and assume that is what buddha is talking about. He is talking about something like that but it is entirely different IMO. You will see the difference when you try to understand one another concept called, 'no-self'. Buddha explains there is really no-self, which begs to the question ok then what is reincarnated? Like I said it is beyond simple. Buddhism is only for those who are wise. Other note, karma and reincarnation(not the correct word) are just two concepts among many others, such as the concept of cause and effect, four noble truths, Eight fold paths, Ata lo dahama, etc. Also there are concepts buddha has not directly talked about but is in his teachings, Ex: Concept of no time (This is the name I call it). [/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]True to the best of my knowledge.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Buddha does not talk about the origin of Universe. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I have been looking my whole life and never seen such evidence anywhere in the world. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Not true. According to buddha it is not necessary to know these to attain Nirwana. However really important to think about these and learn. He has emphasized the importance of this free thinking. For an example: Only if you think about these, you will understand the theory of Intelligent Design is illogical. If you just continue to believe something because you were taught that from the age 6, without leaving no margin for doubt you become that illogical person. So in fact it is very important to think about those things.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Not true. Buddha has talked in depth about family, friends, business, importance of health, environment, many other things and thereby instruction on how to live a good life. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] I like to say that Buddhism is not a religion, it's a way of life. A religion is always based on faith, not free thinking. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]This is exactly the opposite. Buddhist view is far broader than any other religion. Most Abrahamic religions narrow their belief to the concept of creationism and they do not venture to explore anything beyond that. Hence their narrow thinking is limited to supernatural and faith. Whereas in buddhism it is encouraged to learn everything and decide yourself. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Already explained. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] This is entirely wrong.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] Buddhism is a philosophy that explores the nature of universe. It just does not base anything on faith, it has a logical foundation. Machan, I really can't reply to copy paste posts(Like this one from the second sentence). I don't have that much time to spend on this. But come up with your own ideas and maybe we can discuss. But there's no need to debate. When it comes to buddhism, we can always agree to disagree and move on. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [/QUOTE]
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