What is "dukkha"?

[kalyanamithra]

Pinwath mithurani,

We say that the life is dukkha - i.e. abundant with 'suffering'..
We say that we should try to put and end to this suffering...

But:
What is "Dukkha" (suffering)?
Why should we put and end to it?
Is it urgent?

Shall we use this thread to explore it further?

Theruwan saranai!

 

[Nash_Node]

Pinwath mithurani,

We say that the life is dukkha - i.e. abundant with 'suffering'..
We say that we should try to put and end to this suffering...

But:
What is "Dukkha" (suffering)?
Why should we put and end to it?
Is it urgent?

Shall we use this thread to explore it further?

Theruwan saranai!

Hey mate, Though I have never replied to you. I read most of your posts and think that they are absolutely superb.

Commendable service (atleast for me.. cause I learned many things from you)

 

[Y2K]

Dhukka ???? yes life is full with sorrow ............ today people dont have time to think abt it ............................... but we should live our life peacefully ..... read the Dharmma and save yourself

 

[Pentagram]

hmm!!! tnxx!!

 

[booleanB]

duka kiyanne apita denena deya neada?

 

[kalyanamithra]

duka kiyanne apita denena deya neada?

Pinwath mithura,

Ow... eka denena deyak...
samahara duk apita penawa...
samahara duk apita penne ne, thawakalika sepa nisa api eva dakinne ne...

Paticcasamuppadaya gena vigrahaye therum ganna lesima de thamai duka...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[koondeGoda]

sapa wedana athi nisa ne duka dukak vidihata dannene. siyalu wedana hethu pratyayen hata ganna nisa sepayata noaleemath dukata adeemath nokara madyastha sithin vasaya kereema wedagath.

correct me if I 'm wrong.

 

[asanka10]

oh oh dukka...?

 

[kalyanamithra]

sapa wedana athi nisa ne duka dukak vidihata dannene. siyalu wedana hethu pratyayen hata ganna nisa sepayata noaleemath dukata adeemath nokara madyastha sithin vasaya kereema wedagath.

correct me if I 'm wrong.

Pinwath mithura,

Sepa wedana nisa nethath duk vedana vala dukak thiyenwa neda (kaika dukak gena sithanna)?
Hebei oba kivva vage kenek duk vedana ethivana vita
eya laba dena rupa, shabdha, gandha, rasa, pahasa, aramunu ekka getenne sepa vedana laba dena eva gena Thanhava thahavuru vana lesin...

Apa thula Thanhava ethivenawa: sepa, duka ha noduk-nosepa yana thun akarayema vindim gena nonuvanin sithimen...

Mokada sepa vedana nisa sithehi pavathina ragaya osse da...
duk vedana nisa sithehi pavathina dvesha mul osseda...
noduk-nosepa vedana nisa sithehi pavathina mulavana svabhavaya (mohaya) osse da...
thanhava thahavuru venawa...

Waradak ethoth penwa denna...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

More on Dukkha...

Dear friends,

This is how Dukka Aryasathya is mentioned in Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta...

"Idam kho pana bhikkave dukkham ariyasaccam: jātipi dukkhā, jarāpi dukkhā, vyādhipi dukkha, maranampi dukkhm appiyehi sampayogo dukkho piyehi vippayogo dukkho yampiccham na labhati tampi dukkham sankhittena pañupādānakkhandhā dukkhā"
source: http://www.tipitaka.org/romn/cscd/s0305m.mul11.xml#para1081

According to Dhamma one gains with birth (jāthi):
1. aging (jarā)
2. illness (vyādhi)
3. death (marana)
4. sorrow (soka)
5. lamenting (parideva)
6. suffering (dukkha)
7. distress (domanassa)
8. despair (upāyāsa)
9. association with things disliked (appiyehi sampayogo dukkho)
10. separation from things liked (piyehi vippayogo dukkho)
11. not getting what one wishes (yampiccham na labhati, tampi dukkham)

[please note that some of the above terms are not mentioned in Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta]

Concisely pañupādānakkhandhā:
1. forms (rupha)
2. feelings(vedanā)
3. perceptions (saññā)
4. volitional/mental formations (sankāra)
5. consciousness (viññāna)
that one clings to as 'self' is suffering/Dukka.

Shall we discuss them further; by expanding them according to Dhamma?

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

oh oh dukka...?

Ov Api dukata kemethi ne thamai.. Eththatama dukata api bayai ne da?

Budu dahame kiyala thiyenawa ne sathwayata thiyena lokuma baya 'duka' kiyala...

Eka thiyenawa Ajitha Sutraye "dukkhamassa mahabbhayan" lesa...

Ajitha sutraya esurin kara ethi deshanayak me: http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/5/5.6_Ajetha_Sutta%20.mp3

Theruwan saranai!

 

[hdgpure]

(atleast for me.. cause I learned many things from you)

Nice to see dis kind of approach..................

 

[Nisanka_Xtreme]

Budu Sarana Wewa

 

[sanu-]

samahara welavata mata hithuna deyak , danuna deyak , minissu duka osse sithamin kaalaya gevanna kamathi kiyana eka.
udaharanayak hatiyata thamanta ahimi wuna kenek gena digin digatama hithamin e duke gali inna avastha .

ehemath nathinam dan sapa vindina kenek atheethaye vinda duk gena hitha hitha kal yavana awastha , wage deval gatthoth minissu duka dukak vidiyatawath nodakina ayada?

 

[ajani107]

hm..........................
thanx..............

 

[kalyanamithra]

samahara welavata mata hithuna deyak , danuna deyak , minissu duka osse sithamin kaalaya gevanna kamathi kiyana eka.

Bohoma pin obe adahas valata...
Ov, eththatama ape hitha hesirena then 18 thiyenwa ('mano + upavichara' kiyala kiyanne); evain 6 dukata sambandai...
Api eva nevatha nevath hinidma sasara pevethmata pradana hetuwak (manosanchethana ahara kiyanne)

Manopavichara 18 nam (6 x 3 lesa ganna):
(Rupa, Shabda, Ganda, Rasa, Pahasa, Sithiviki) x (Somnasa ethi karana, Domnasa ethi karana, Upekshava ethi karana)

Me sambandayen amathara karun thiyenawa: Salayathana Vibhanga (mehi eya itha gemburin visthara karanawa) ha Aththi Raga Sutra wala; kalin ahala nethnam balanna ko...

http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Salayathana_Vibanga_Sutta_01.mp3
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Salayathana_Vibanga_Sutta_02.mp3
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/6/6.7_Aththeraga_Sutta.mp3

udaharanayak hatiyata thamanta ahimi wuna kenek gena digin digatama hithamin e duke gali inna avastha .

Mekata hethuwa api e 'ahimu vu deya' nisa apa lada ashvadaya ta eli thibima (thani vachanaya thamai: Thanhava) ne da?
Udaharanayak lesa apage daruwek miya giya kiyala hithamu. Api e daruvage rupayen sathutu venmin hitapu aya; eyage kata hada asa sathutu vemin siti aya; e vage... Api yamk sathutin piligannawada (abinandathi), eya agaya karanavada (abhivadathi) ape sitha ehi besa gannawa (ajjosayatittathi)... evita sithe asahva hata gannawa (uppajjathi nandi)...
yam rupayak gena; shabdayak gena; suvandak gena; rasak gena; pahasak gena; sithivillak gena asahavak ethi venawada api ekatama tham bendi yanna (e kiyann 'upadanayak' bavata path venawa)... mama, mage, mata one hetiyata thiya ganna one (mage athmaya) kiyala api eva alla gannawa... Ehema ne api me lokayata bendenne...

E deval anithyai ne; ithin nethi venawa...
Ethakota api sathutu vevi hiti de ne... ithin apita dukai...
Apita e aramunu nevatha nolebunath.. api eyata elum karanawa... e nisa venne api eya hithin mava gena vindina ekai... E kiyanne merichcha daruwa sihi kara kara inna ekai...

Samanya hithakata thawath adeshakayak nethiva mevan duk dara ganna be... Thawa deyak alla gannama one... Udaharanayak lesa thama yalu vi siti genu/pirimi lamaya anekek samaga yalu vuvahoth, kenek eyata dakvana prathicharaya hitha balanna...

Dharmaya karanne ehema thawa deyak allanne nethiva ath harinna udav karana eka... eka karanne apa thula anithyathawa gena avabodhaya ethi kirimen ne...

ehemath nathinam dan sapa vindina kenek atheethaye vinda duk gena hitha hitha kal yavana awastha ,

hebei methandi eya duk venne ne neda? eka hithanne sathutu vima ta ne da? udaharanayak lesa: eya hithai mama issara me vage; eth den mata me me deval thiyenwa; okkoma lebune me me hethu nisa; adi lesa...

wage deval gatthoth minissu duka dukak vidiyatawath nodakina ayada?

ov... api 'mama vindinawa' kiyana hengima thiyenakam duka dakinne veradi vidihata... mokada api dakinne duka me hethuwa nisa ethi vuna kiyala neme ne... 'mama duk vindinawa' kiyala ne... e hindane api kampa venne duk vindim lebuna ma

Mata hariyata mathaka ne... Eth Upadana Parithassana sutraye thiyenne bendi giya deval nisa apata vena me kampanaya gena...
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/6/6.9_Upada_Paritassana_Sutta.mp3

Api meya thawa idiriyata gena yamu... bohoma pin obe adahas valata

Theruwan saranai

 

[daddyimmo]

In this short life atleast try to live happily! always perform the good deeds and stay away from bad deeds! it will be merited and you will feel happy!

 

[kalyanamithra]

In this short life at least try to live happily! always perform the good deeds and stay away from bad deeds! it will be merited and you will feel happy!

Dear friend,

Thanks my friend for the input

Yes, we should try to live happily...
And as you've said doing good deeds and not doing bad deeds is very important for it

More food for thought...

But we may come against things we like as well as things we do not like..
- what if a person very close to us get a disease like cancer?
- what if someone close to us dies because of a car accident...
- what if we fail to achieve something that we always wanted to (e.g. passing an exam)
Things like this happen; and some people ruin their lives because of it.. Why?

Isn't it good if we can retain the happiness intact even in such situations?

Theruwan saranai!

 

[daddyimmo]

RE: More food for thought...

More food for thought...

But we may come against things we like as well as things we do not like...
- what if a person very close to us get a disease like cancer?
- what if someone close to us dies because of a car accident...
- what if we fail to achieve something that we always wanted to (e.g. passing an exam)
Things like this happen; and some people ruin their lives because of it.. Why?

Isn't it good if we can retain the happiness intact even in such situations?

Fighting is destined for you, and while it is hard on you. But you may dislike something which is good for you, and you may like something which is bad for you! Look at the outcome the things you’re doing or going to do. Whether it dislikes or liking you it is the thing that brings riches!! E.g. you may don’t like to study but if you make it you’re happy, if you like to be dependant but later you will be sorry!

We are human beings having the ability to think and have physical as well as non physical feelings right? There is a short span life for human beings and according to the circumstances we may get sick or/and injured! Also as age pass by our system becomes weak i.e. becoming old! Can we stop them? No, this is where earth is! We don’t know next time what will happen to us, like the global warming can lead to world’s end in the future!

Always take life as a challenge! Look at things what we have to do than what we want to do! That is where it will make you feel rich! But sometimes hardly most people can’t make it! Because of the attitudes of the people! Don’t feel so depress of things you didn’t achieve, in this short life even take it as an experience and challenge your next turn, mean of never give up! As you know Lord Buddha had for several years sacrifice his life for finding the solution to get away from suffering! And finally he achieved it!

You know, there was a time I was never good on studies and had great difficulties with the teachers! So nothing made me motivated even! I’m an asthmatic and also my left ear is hard of hearing (Not from birth). Thank god at least I have my right ear! And I thought to achieve whatever in life (for good) and never gave up in studies! And now I’m studying for graduate studies! Nothing is impossible in life if you can think and do thing properly!

People ruin their lives, why? Look there are disasters, calamities and wars, the people of the whole world is suffering because of their difference in their attitudes, faith and culture, which have ruined them into the worst type of breach, so there remains no way out for any security or any peace! Therefore if there was a system of laws in order how to run life in good ways, actually legal ways and people follow it in accordance, everything will seem normal!

Happiness is in you, if you follow in proper good ways, you can make it!

It is this only the realm life the Buddhist believes? Is there a heaven and hell according to Buddhist teaching?

 

[kalyanamithra]

It is this only the realm life the Buddhist believes? Is there a heaven and hell according to Buddhist teaching?

Dear friend,

Thanks for your input to this thread

Ok, I will try to present how Buddhists see these realms as..

Buddhists believe in a succession of births and deaths that takes us between all the realms until we succeed ending 'our' existence. This existence is called "samsara".

According to Buddhist teachings there are realms that comes under heavens (e.g. there are couple of heavens with different nature) and hells (same with the hells). According to Buddhism animals are also beings in another realm of suffering.

Beings are born again because there is a mechanism by the name "paticcasamuppada" (dependent origination) operating within them, which gives rise to what needed for a being to be born again, based on what (called: "kamma") the being has done in the past.

All life times are finite; the beings die when what needs for the life to sustain are no longer there. This nature is common for beings in all the realms..

The problem Buddhism highlights in samsara is that beings tend to sin more than they do merits during their existence. It becomes severe because there are some realms (even that of the animals we can see) in which probability of its beings doing merits is quite low. This makes the probability a given being is in a world of suffering quite high (it is reflected by higher proportion of beings present in hells, animal worlds, etc. at a time)... Having to undergo this kind of suffering may be shown as the peril of samsaraic existence.

The solution Buddhism proposes is stopping paticcasamuppada; a person to achieve this is an Arhat; and his/her samsaraic existence ends at the end of the life...

Thanks again...

Theruwan saranai!