What the Buddha said about eating Meat

earthling

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    I came upon this article in the Nation Newspaper... In brief it says its OK to eat meat like Beef, Chicken, Mutton, Fish, ect.

    This is the first time I've read anything like this & up to now I thought Buduhamudorowo had prohibited eating meat of any kind..Guess I was Wrong

    What the Buddha said about eating meat

    Since the very beginning of Buddhism over 2500 years ago, Buddhist monks and nuns have depended on alms food. They were, and still are, prohibited from growing their own food, storing their own provisions or cooking their own meals.

    Instead, every morning they would make their day’s meal out of whatever was freely given to them by lay supporters. Whether it was rich food or coarse food, delicious or awful tasting, it was to be accepted with gratitude and eaten regarding it as medicine.

    The Buddha laid down several rules forbidding monks from asking for the food that they liked. As a result, they would receive just the sort of meals that ordinary people ate - and that was often meat.

    Once, a rich and influential general by the name of Siha (meaning ’Lion’) went to visit the Buddha. Siha had been a famous lay supporter of the Jain monks but he was so impressed and inspired by the Teachings he heard from the Buddha that he took refuge in the Triple Gem (i.e. he became a Buddhist). General Siha then invited the Buddha, together with the large number of monks accompanying Him, to a meal at his house in the city the following morning. In preparation for the meal, Siha told one of his servants to buy some meat from the market for the feast. When the Jain monks heard of their erstwhile patron’s conversion to Buddhism and the meal that he was preparing for the Buddha and the monks, they were somewhat peeved:


    • “Now at the time many Niganthas (Jain monks), waving their arms, were moaning from carriage road to carriage road, from cross road to cross road in the city: ’Today a fat beast, killed by Siha the general, is made into a meal for the recluse Gautama (the Buddha), the recluse Gautama makes use of this meat knowing that it was killed on purpose for him, that the deed was done for his sake’...” [1].

    Siha was making the ethical distinction between buying meat already prepared for sale and ordering a certain animal to be killed, a distinction which is not obvious to many westerners but which recurs throughout the Buddha’s own teachings.

    Then, to clarify the position on meat eating to the monks, the Buddha said:
    “Monks, I allow you fish and meat that are quite pure in three respects: If they are not seen, heard or suspected to have been killed on purpose for a monk.
    But, you should not knowingly make use of meat killed on purpose for you.”


    There are many places in the Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it. One of the most interesting of these passages occurs in the introductory story to a totally unrelated rule (Nissaggiya Pacittiya 5) and the observation that the meat is purely incidental to the main theme of the story emphasises the authenticity of the passage:
    Uppalavanna (meaning ‘she of the lotus-like complexion’) was one of the two chief female disciples of the Buddha. She was ordained as a nun while still a young woman and soon became fully enlightened. As well as being an arahant (enlightened) she also possessed various psychic powers to the extent that the Buddha declared her to be foremost among all the women in this field.

    Once, while Uppalavanna was meditating alone in the afternoon in the ‘Blind-Men’s Grove’, a secluded forest outside of the city of Savatthi, some thieves passed by. The thieves had just stolen a cow, butchered it and were escaping with the meat. Seeing the composed and serene nun, the chief of the thieves quickly put some of the meat in a leaf-bag and left it for her. Uppalavanna picked up the meat and resolved to give it to the Buddha. Early next morning, having had the meat prepared, she rose into the air and flew to where the Buddha was staying in the Bamboo Grove outside of Rajagaha, over 200 km as the crow (or nun?) flies! Though there is no specific mention of the Buddha actually consuming this meat, obviously a nun of such high attainments would certainly have known what the Buddha ate.

    However, there are some meats which are specifically prohibited for monks to eat: Human meat, for obvious reasons; meat from elephants and horses as these were then considered royal animals; dog meat - as this was considered by ordinary people to be disgusting; and meat from snakes, lions, tigers, panthers, bears and hyenas - because one who had just eaten the flesh of such dangerous jungle animals was thought to give forth such a smell as to draw forth revenge from the same species!

    Towards the end of the Buddha’s life, his cousin Devadatta attempted to usurp the leadership of the Order of Monks. In order to win support from other monks, Devadatta tried to be stricter than the Buddha and show Him up as indulgent.

    Devadatta proposed to the Buddha that all the monks should henceforth be vegetarians. The Buddha refused and repeated once again the regulation that he had established years before, that monks and nuns may eat fish or meat as long as it is not from an animal whose meat is specifically forbidden, and as long as they had no reason to believe that the animal was slaughtered specifically for them.

    The Vinaya then is quite clear on this matter. Monks and nuns may eat meat. Even the Buddha ate meat.

    Unfortunately, meat eating is often seen by westerners as an indulgence on the part of the monks.

    Monks may not exercise choice when it comes to food and that is much harder than being a vegetarian. Nonetheless, we may encourage vegetarianism and if our lay supporters brought only vegetarian food and no meat, well... monks may not complain either! May you take the hint and be kind to animals.

    Ajahn Brahmavamso

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    So What is all this talk about Budhists should not eat meat ?? :oo:
     

    earthling

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    Nic said:
    budda never told eating meat is correct thing as i knw

    I'm not saying this..the author of this article is..

    and I asked around about this in other sites & some uses said that what is said here is correct.. but most people dont even know about this & thinks that Budha has prohibited eating meat..you can eat meat bought from the market but if u orders some one to kill an animal just for meat specially for YOU..then thats wrong..otherwise its ok to eat

    the only meat Budhdha has strictly prohibited supposed to be Human, Horse & a few others only..

    Can some one ask this from a hamuduruwo in a temple and gknow what exactly has being said about this ?
     

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    when you read the article about what the author is saying Lord Buddha said...technically speaking, you could eat meat if you were Buddhist...but it would have had to have been food cooked, without the intention of giving it to you, or in the articles case, the monks. You couldn't, as a monk go and say I want some chicken or something. To parallel this to modern times...it would be like going into a restaurant and ordering something that had meat in it, which is against what it is He said you could do.
    But then again, its what the author is saying was said. People who are devout buddhist would know best what is supposed to be eaten and what isnt supposed to be eaten.
     

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    earthling said:
    I came upon this article in the Nation Newspaper... In brief it says its OK to eat meat like Beef, Chicken, Mutton, Fish, ect.

    This is the first time I've read anything like this & up to now I thought Buduhamudorowo had prohibited eating meat of any kind..Guess I was Wrong

    What the Buddha said about eating meat

    Since the very beginning of Buddhism over 2500 years ago, Buddhist monks and nuns have depended on alms food. They were, and still are, prohibited from growing their own food, storing their own provisions or cooking their own meals.

    Instead, every morning they would make their day’s meal out of whatever was freely given to them by lay supporters. Whether it was rich food or coarse food, delicious or awful tasting, it was to be accepted with gratitude and eaten regarding it as medicine.

    The Buddha laid down several rules forbidding monks from asking for the food that they liked. As a result, they would receive just the sort of meals that ordinary people ate - and that was often meat.

    Once, a rich and influential general by the name of Siha (meaning ’Lion’) went to visit the Buddha. Siha had been a famous lay supporter of the Jain monks but he was so impressed and inspired by the Teachings he heard from the Buddha that he took refuge in the Triple Gem (i.e. he became a Buddhist). General Siha then invited the Buddha, together with the large number of monks accompanying Him, to a meal at his house in the city the following morning. In preparation for the meal, Siha told one of his servants to buy some meat from the market for the feast. When the Jain monks heard of their erstwhile patron’s conversion to Buddhism and the meal that he was preparing for the Buddha and the monks, they were somewhat peeved:


    • “Now at the time many Niganthas (Jain monks), waving their arms, were moaning from carriage road to carriage road, from cross road to cross road in the city: ’Today a fat beast, killed by Siha the general, is made into a meal for the recluse Gautama (the Buddha), the recluse Gautama makes use of this meat knowing that it was killed on purpose for him, that the deed was done for his sake’...” [1].

    Siha was making the ethical distinction between buying meat already prepared for sale and ordering a certain animal to be killed, a distinction which is not obvious to many westerners but which recurs throughout the Buddha’s own teachings.

    Then, to clarify the position on meat eating to the monks, the Buddha said:
    “Monks, I allow you fish and meat that are quite pure in three respects: If they are not seen, heard or suspected to have been killed on purpose for a monk.
    But, you should not knowingly make use of meat killed on purpose for you.”


    There are many places in the Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it. One of the most interesting of these passages occurs in the introductory story to a totally unrelated rule (Nissaggiya Pacittiya 5) and the observation that the meat is purely incidental to the main theme of the story emphasises the authenticity of the passage:
    Uppalavanna (meaning ‘she of the lotus-like complexion’) was one of the two chief female disciples of the Buddha. She was ordained as a nun while still a young woman and soon became fully enlightened. As well as being an arahant (enlightened) she also possessed various psychic powers to the extent that the Buddha declared her to be foremost among all the women in this field.

    Once, while Uppalavanna was meditating alone in the afternoon in the ‘Blind-Men’s Grove’, a secluded forest outside of the city of Savatthi, some thieves passed by. The thieves had just stolen a cow, butchered it and were escaping with the meat. Seeing the composed and serene nun, the chief of the thieves quickly put some of the meat in a leaf-bag and left it for her. Uppalavanna picked up the meat and resolved to give it to the Buddha. Early next morning, having had the meat prepared, she rose into the air and flew to where the Buddha was staying in the Bamboo Grove outside of Rajagaha, over 200 km as the crow (or nun?) flies! Though there is no specific mention of the Buddha actually consuming this meat, obviously a nun of such high attainments would certainly have known what the Buddha ate.

    However, there are some meats which are specifically prohibited for monks to eat: Human meat, for obvious reasons; meat from elephants and horses as these were then considered royal animals; dog meat - as this was considered by ordinary people to be disgusting; and meat from snakes, lions, tigers, panthers, bears and hyenas - because one who had just eaten the flesh of such dangerous jungle animals was thought to give forth such a smell as to draw forth revenge from the same species!

    Towards the end of the Buddha’s life, his cousin Devadatta attempted to usurp the leadership of the Order of Monks. In order to win support from other monks, Devadatta tried to be stricter than the Buddha and show Him up as indulgent.

    Devadatta proposed to the Buddha that all the monks should henceforth be vegetarians. The Buddha refused and repeated once again the regulation that he had established years before, that monks and nuns may eat fish or meat as long as it is not from an animal whose meat is specifically forbidden, and as long as they had no reason to believe that the animal was slaughtered specifically for them.

    The Vinaya then is quite clear on this matter. Monks and nuns may eat meat. Even the Buddha ate meat.

    Unfortunately, meat eating is often seen by westerners as an indulgence on the part of the monks.

    Monks may not exercise choice when it comes to food and that is much harder than being a vegetarian. Nonetheless, we may encourage vegetarianism and if our lay supporters brought only vegetarian food and no meat, well... monks may not complain either! May you take the hint and be kind to animals.

    Ajahn Brahmavamso

    Source

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    So What is all this talk about Budhists should not eat meat ?? :oo:

    totally agreed
    :cool:
     

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    Nic said:
    budda never told eating meat is correct thing as i knw

    never told doesnt mean that it has told!

    so then Buddha never told eating meat is correct doesnt mean that eating meat is incorrect or correct! only never told means never!

    am i rite?
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    earthling said:
    This is the first time I've read anything like this & up to now I thought Buduhamudorowo had prohibited eating meat of any kind..Guess I was Wrong


    Of coz machan I have some chasm and confuses on this point too
    But I knw that Lord Buddha never forbade to eat meat except
    Human,Snake,Horse et ....
    I cant remember all sorry
    :yes:

    So What is all this talk about Budhists should not eat meat ?? :oo:

    Hmm this topic is too complex pal
    Someone state that Lord Buddha allowed to do so bcz of he ws reluctant to make huge differance and corrupt the normal living routine :yes:

    But if this is a sin I think Lord Buddha never ever alllow to do so no matter what:yes:

    Finally I have to say Im lost in this point :confused:
     

    earthling

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    the bottom line is..Budhism is never about a set of Rules ne ? Each induividual can decide for him/herself

    so if you think its wrong fdont eat it..if u think its Ok..then eat it...cause we know that there are millions of Non-Budhist Vegetarians around the world..they dont eat it because of Health Conscious/issues or because of Principles..

    Its moraly wrong to eat beef... but I love it...so I eat it.. but thats my choice...many of you here might not agree with that..but thats your choice..

    so as I said its up to each individual..I just posted this to share where Buddhism stands on eating meat..not to say if it is wrong or right
     

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    earthling said:
    the bottom line is..Budhism is never about a set of Rules ne ? ..........



    so as I said its up to each individual..I just posted this to share where Buddhism stands on eating meat..not to say if it is wrong or right

    Ya Buddhism isnt a set of rules to obey yes
    But It state whats wrong and right with reasonably :yes:

    OK
    Buddhism stand in the middle cz
    Buddhism never encourage to eat meat or deplore it
    I think the reasons must have been stated before in this thread:yes:
    But even in the buddhist history (If im correct)Kashyapa tera completely forbore from eating meat as an occasion I dunno for what reason
    :)
     

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    life said:
    www.mahamevna.org
    me site ekata gihin "NIRMANSHA PRASHNAYA" (නිර්මාංශ ප්‍රශ්නය) kiyana potha kiyawanna.
    Hugak dewal danaganna puluwan.

    මං ඒ පොත කියෙව්ව බන් ගොඩක් කාලෙකට කලින් නැන්ද ගාව තිබිල
    ඒත් උන්වහන්සෙ බනවලින් මගේ ප්‍රශ්නෙ හරියටම විසඳුනෙ නෑ බන්:(
     

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    Zeus said:
    මං ඒ පොත කියෙව්ව බන් ගොඩක් කාලෙකට කලින් නැන්ද ගාව තිබිල
    ඒත් උන්වහන්සෙ බනවලින් මගේ ප්‍රශ්නෙ හරියටම විසඳුනෙ නෑ බන්:(
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    mage adahasanam mekai machan, eth mama full article eka kiyewwe naha sry, e kale buduhamuduruwan saha anik bikshun wahansela minissu piliganwana ehema natnam daneta dena dewal prathikshepa kare naha. e nisa ewa walandanna una ( kanna ) meat or whteva. but eken kiyanne naha bouddayanta meat kana eka ok kiyala.
    eka nisa e prasnayedi matath kiyanna thiyanne, buduhamuduruwo mas kanna epa kiyalawath kanna kiyalawath deshana karala naha.
    but we all knw about panchashilaya nd karma
    "sathunta hirihara nikarami or sathun nomarami"
    ithin api meat kanawa kiyanne indirectly sathun maranawa kiyana eka neda? smbdy killing animals for food on purpose of our eating. thats da bottom line.
    nd wt goes aroun wt comes around​
     

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    Nic said:
    budda never told eating meat is correct thing as i knw
    maybe, but budda never told eating meat is incorrect, wrong or a sin.

    i've never heard that lord buddha had told not to eat meat. however killing is a sin. that's all.

    chethanaham bhikkawe kamman wadami :D