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Why building GPT-8 is currently impossible?
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<blockquote data-quote="SLHodahitha" data-source="post: 29592163" data-attributes="member: 565060"><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Training an AI takes three things:</strong></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 15px">Compute (ie computing power, hardware, chips)</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 15px">Electricity (to power the compute)</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 15px">Training data</span><br /> <br /> <em><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><u>Compute</u></strong></span></em><span style="font-size: 15px"><br /> Compute is measured in floating point operations (FLOPs). GPT-3 took 10^23 FLOPs to train, and GPT-4 plausibly 10^25. <br /> The capacity of all the computers in the world is about 10^21 FLOP/second, so they could train GPT-4 in 10^4 seconds (ie two hours). Since OpenAI has fewer than all the computers in the world, it took them six months. This suggests OpenAI was using about 1/2000th of all the computers in the world during that time.<br /> </span><br /> <br /> <u><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><em><strong><u>Energy</u></strong></em></span></strong></u><br /> <span style="font-size: 15px">GPT-4 took about <a href="https://www.ri.se/en/news/blog/generative-ai-does-not-run-on-thin-air" target="_blank">50 gigawatt-hours</a> of energy to train. Using our scaling factor of 30x, we expect GPT-5 to need 1,500, GPT-6 to need 45,000, and GPT-7 to need 1.3 million</span><br /> <br /> <br /> <u><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><em><strong><u>Training Data</u></strong></em></span></strong></u><br /> <span style="font-size: 15px">This is the text or images or whatever that the AI reads to understand how its domain works. <a href="https://lambdalabs.com/blog/demystifying-gpt-3" target="_blank">GPT-3</a> used 300 billion tokens. <a href="https://www.springboard.com/blog/data-science/machine-learning-gpt-3-open-ai/" target="_blank">GPT-4</a> used 13 trillion tokens (another source says 6 trillion).<br /> <br /> <img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e29cdd8-3523-4386-b574-7a6f7c7fb0e4_1083x748.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>GPT-5</strong> might need about 1% the world’s computers, a small power plant’s worth of energy, and a lot of training data.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>GPT-6</strong> might need about 10% of the world’s computers, a large power plant’s worth of energy, and more training data than exists. Probably this looks like a town-sized data center attached to a lot of solar panels or a nuclear reactor.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>GPT-7</strong> might need all of the world’s computers, a gargantuan power plant beyond any that currently exist, and <em>way</em> more training data than exists. Probably this looks like a city-sized data center attached to a fusion plant.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Building GPT-8 is currently impossible.</strong> Even if you solve synthetic data and fusion power, and you take over the whole semiconductor industry, you wouldn’t come close. Your only hope is that GPT-7 is superintelligent and helps you with this, either by telling you how to build AIs for cheap, or by growing the global economy so much that it can fund currently-impossible things.</span><span style="font-size: 18px"><br /> <br /> GPT = Generative Pre-trained Transformer = කලින් පුහුනු කල තොරතුරු ඇසුරෙන් දෙයක් මනුස්සයෙක් කරන විදියත විස්තර කරන්න හදන එක වගේ තෙරුමක්</span><span style="font-size: 9px"><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/10/microsoft-agrees-to-buy-power-from-sam-altman-backed-helion-in-2028.html" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/10/microsoft-agrees-to-buy-power-from-sam-altman-backed-helion-in-2028.html</a><br /> <a href="https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/sam-altman-wants-7-trillion" target="_blank">https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/sam-altman-wants-7-trillion</a></span></li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SLHodahitha, post: 29592163, member: 565060"] [SIZE=4][B]Training an AI takes three things:[/B][/SIZE] [LIST] [*][SIZE=4]Compute (ie computing power, hardware, chips)[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=4]Electricity (to power the compute)[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=4]Training data[/SIZE] [I][SIZE=4][B][U]Compute[/U][/B][/SIZE][/I][SIZE=4] Compute is measured in floating point operations (FLOPs). GPT-3 took 10^23 FLOPs to train, and GPT-4 plausibly 10^25. The capacity of all the computers in the world is about 10^21 FLOP/second, so they could train GPT-4 in 10^4 seconds (ie two hours). Since OpenAI has fewer than all the computers in the world, it took them six months. This suggests OpenAI was using about 1/2000th of all the computers in the world during that time. [/SIZE] [U][B][SIZE=4][I][B][U]Energy[/U][/B][/I][/SIZE][/B][/U] [SIZE=4]GPT-4 took about [URL='https://www.ri.se/en/news/blog/generative-ai-does-not-run-on-thin-air']50 gigawatt-hours[/URL] of energy to train. Using our scaling factor of 30x, we expect GPT-5 to need 1,500, GPT-6 to need 45,000, and GPT-7 to need 1.3 million[/SIZE] [U][B][SIZE=4][I][B][U]Training Data[/U][/B][/I][/SIZE][/B][/U] [SIZE=4]This is the text or images or whatever that the AI reads to understand how its domain works. [URL='https://lambdalabs.com/blog/demystifying-gpt-3']GPT-3[/URL] used 300 billion tokens. [URL='https://www.springboard.com/blog/data-science/machine-learning-gpt-3-open-ai/']GPT-4[/URL] used 13 trillion tokens (another source says 6 trillion). [IMG]https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e29cdd8-3523-4386-b574-7a6f7c7fb0e4_1083x748.png[/IMG][/SIZE] [*][SIZE=4][B]GPT-5[/B] might need about 1% the world’s computers, a small power plant’s worth of energy, and a lot of training data.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=4][B]GPT-6[/B] might need about 10% of the world’s computers, a large power plant’s worth of energy, and more training data than exists. Probably this looks like a town-sized data center attached to a lot of solar panels or a nuclear reactor.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=4][B]GPT-7[/B] might need all of the world’s computers, a gargantuan power plant beyond any that currently exist, and [I]way[/I] more training data than exists. Probably this looks like a city-sized data center attached to a fusion plant.[/SIZE] [*][SIZE=4][B]Building GPT-8 is currently impossible.[/B] Even if you solve synthetic data and fusion power, and you take over the whole semiconductor industry, you wouldn’t come close. Your only hope is that GPT-7 is superintelligent and helps you with this, either by telling you how to build AIs for cheap, or by growing the global economy so much that it can fund currently-impossible things.[/SIZE][SIZE=5] GPT = Generative Pre-trained Transformer = කලින් පුහුනු කල තොරතුරු ඇසුරෙන් දෙයක් මනුස්සයෙක් කරන විදියත විස්තර කරන්න හදන එක වගේ තෙරුමක්[/SIZE][SIZE=1] [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/10/microsoft-agrees-to-buy-power-from-sam-altman-backed-helion-in-2028.html[/URL] [URL]https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/sam-altman-wants-7-trillion[/URL][/SIZE] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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