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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 7927230" data-attributes="member: 262433">So if we discard the points that we both agree upon, we come to a place where we should find whether quaran is only talking about fighting for self defense or not.Yes these versus seems to be talking about defending self. But what do you say about following versus?And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the  places  whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims]  is  worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them  until  persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah - (Quaran 2:191-2:193)Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is  possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love  a thing  which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (Quaran 2:216)They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on  the  same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they  flee in  the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades,  seize  them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no  friends or  helpers from their ranks.(Quran 4:89)And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain,  then  surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain (Quran 4:104)So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters  wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie  in wait  for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay  the  poor-rate, leave their way free to them (Quran 9:5)O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are  asked to  go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye  prefer the  life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this  life, as  compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with  a  grievous penalty, and put others in your place (9:38-9:39)</blockquote>

Verification: Hathara warak wissa keeyada? (Hathara wadi karanna 20)

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