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<blockquote data-quote="I love Srilanka" data-source="post: 7933980" data-attributes="member: 244944"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Machan I think you took some verses from Anti Islamic website who fabricated the translation of the versus in order to malign islam</strong>.</span></span></p><p></p><p><em>And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for <strong>persecution </strong> </em><strong>[of Muslims]<em> is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]</em></strong><em>...and fight them until persecution is no more, and <strong>religion is for Allah</strong></em> - (Quaran 2:191-2:193)</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Here you can see translation of pickthal, sahih international.Both of them says fight against oppressors and and fight not until they attack you, and etc.You can read the full context (2:191-196)So this is fabricated translation.. </strong></span></span> <strong><a href="http://quran.com/2/190-196" target="_blank">http://quran.com/2/190-196</a></strong></p><p></p><p><em>Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (Quaran 2:216)</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>This is what from the start we have been discussing. And your 1st accusatio</strong>n</span></span>.</span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em><em>They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.(Quran 4:89)</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Again, it is out of context see the next verse (4:90) it is talking abt peace, 4:89 says only with those who are not coming for peace and moreover in this verse 4.89 which says if they turn back only(to enmity)you fight them. but your translation say renegades, I don’t know what is meant by renegades in this translation. Refer the full context </strong><a href="http://quran.com/4/86-92" target="_blank">http://quran.com/4/86-92</a></span></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em><em>And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain (Quran 4:104)</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>What is the problem in this verse, this verse was revealed immediately after the Uhud war.see the thafsir of this word</strong></span></span>. <a href="http://quran.com/4/104" target="_blank">http://quran.com/4/104</a></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><em>So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (Quran 9:5)</em></em></p><p><em><em></em></em></p><p><em><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Again it is out of context,this verse is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality.</strong></span></span></em></em></p><p><em><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriks of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them except with those who have treaty. This is obvious during a battle field any general will tell the same.</strong></span></span></em></em></p><p><em><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>And why missed out to say next verse “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” [Al-Qur’an 9:6] it is very much clear the source that you copied from, picking the verses without context</strong>.</span></span></em></em></p><p><em><em></em></em></p><p><em><em></em><em>O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place (9:38-9:39)</em>[/SIZE][/FONT]</em></p></blockquote><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>This is again for the Tabuk Battle, of course for a battle any army General will not accept if some one hesitate to fight against enemies, this happened when men hesitated because of the hardship and the extreme heat from which they were suffering, this verse was revealed(9:38) and again it says in 9:39 if you do not go forth, [if you do not] set out with the Prophet for the struggle, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement, and He will substitute [you with] another folk other than you, that is, He will bring them in your place, and you will not hurt Him, that is, God, or [‘him’ as being] the Prophet (s), at all, should you neglect to help him [to victory], for God [Himself] will indeed bring victory to His religion; for God has power over all things, including bringing victory to His religion and His Prophet.</strong></span></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>I hope you will have some more versus to clarify.Surely you can bring it up</strong></span></span>.</em></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="I love Srilanka, post: 7933980, member: 244944"] [FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"][B]Machan I think you took some verses from Anti Islamic website who fabricated the translation of the versus in order to malign islam[/B].[/SIZE][/FONT] [I]And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for [B]persecution [/B] [/I][B][of Muslims][I] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers][/I][/B][I]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and [B]religion is for Allah[/B][/I] - (Quaran 2:191-2:193) [FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"][B]Here you can see translation of pickthal, sahih international.Both of them says fight against oppressors and and fight not until they attack you, and etc.You can read the full context (2:191-196)So this is fabricated translation.. [/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][url]http://quran.com/2/190-196[/url][/B] [I]Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (Quaran 2:216) [FONT="Arial Black"][FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"][B]This is what from the start we have been discussing. And your 1st accusatio[/B]n[/SIZE][/FONT].[/FONT] [/I][I]They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.(Quran 4:89) [FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"][B]Again, it is out of context see the next verse (4:90) it is talking abt peace, 4:89 says only with those who are not coming for peace and moreover in this verse 4.89 which says if they turn back only(to enmity)you fight them. but your translation say renegades, I don’t know what is meant by renegades in this translation. Refer the full context [/B][url]http://quran.com/4/86-92[/url][/SIZE][/FONT] [/I][I]And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain (Quran 4:104) [SIZE="3"][FONT="Arial"][B]What is the problem in this verse, this verse was revealed immediately after the Uhud war.see the thafsir of this word[/B][/FONT][/SIZE]. [url]http://quran.com/4/104[/url] [I]So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (Quran 9:5) [FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"][B]Again it is out of context,this verse is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriks of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them except with those who have treaty. This is obvious during a battle field any general will tell the same. And why missed out to say next verse “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” [Al-Qur’an 9:6] it is very much clear the source that you copied from, picking the verses without context[/B].[/SIZE][/FONT] [/I][I]O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place (9:38-9:39)[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE] [SIZE="3"][FONT="Arial"][B]This is again for the Tabuk Battle, of course for a battle any army General will not accept if some one hesitate to fight against enemies, this happened when men hesitated because of the hardship and the extreme heat from which they were suffering, this verse was revealed(9:38) and again it says in 9:39 if you do not go forth, [if you do not] set out with the Prophet for the struggle, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement, and He will substitute [you with] another folk other than you, that is, He will bring them in your place, and you will not hurt Him, that is, God, or [‘him’ as being] the Prophet (s), at all, should you neglect to help him [to victory], for God [Himself] will indeed bring victory to His religion; for God has power over all things, including bringing victory to His religion and His Prophet.[/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE="3"][FONT="Arial"][B]I hope you will have some more versus to clarify.Surely you can bring it up[/B][/FONT][/SIZE].[/I] [/QUOTE]
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