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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 7939525" data-attributes="member: 262433">Well definitions differ from person to person and religion to religion. An atheist just rejects the concept of deities, regardless what the definition is.True. But your definition of logics might differ from mine, in a religious sense. For an example, following is not logic."The book says book is true therefor the book is true."True.True.The only reason we depend on GOD's revelation is the fear of death, Nothing else. To the best of my knowledge GOD's revelation has never been proved by scientific facts. How did you come up with the number? So you are suggesting what is not yet established through science will be established through religion???? You are kidding right?Science does not eliminate anything. Humans do. With reasonable logic.This is the second time some one quote those exact words here. But this is the last time I'm gonna reply to that.First of all, the correct version of the quote is, "a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in  philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion".Bacon eventually understood the harm in superstitious beliefs,"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws,  to reputation: all which may be guides to an outward moral virtue...  but superstition dismounts all these and erecteth an absolute monarchy  in the minds of men: therefore atheism never did perturb states; for it  makes men wary of themeselves... and we see the times inclined to  atheism (as the time of Augustus Caesar) were civil times; but  superstition hath been the confusion of many states, and bringeth in a  new 'primum mobile.' that ravisheth all the spheres of government." -(Essay : Of Superstition)Another one:"Men have sought to make a world from their own conception and to draw  from their own minds all the material which they employed, but if,  instead of doing so, they had consulted experience and observation, they  would have the facts and not opinions to reason about, and might have  ultimately arrived at the knowledge of the laws which govern the  material world."I don't think a further explanation is needed. Bacon is a poor example.My point is that there are no logic that can prove the existance of GOD. Let's open another thread and discuss logical explanation from quran to prove GOD's existance? We are kind of going off topic here. Of course I will accept logic regardless where it is coming from.Give examples and sources.Of course not. I don't know anything. But it does not change the facts.So no one challenging him, makes him a less hypocrite? Did you consider that maybe people think he is just not worth their time?Anyways here's why I think he is a hypocrite. In the first video I watched he was talking about how mulsims should be given the freedom to practice their religions and customs in european countries. When a question asked, so do you let other religions to be practiced in Saudi Arabia, he said NO. Do you find that hypocritical or not?? That is my opinion on him, and its not gonna change.Anyway, if we forget ZakirNaik and come back to our discussion, the link you provided is supposed to be a proof for an atheist of the existence of GOD. I did not find any proof there. So maybe you can explain. (Include it in the new thread you are gonna create)This is a definition you find in the book, not a fact. Islam in fact originated 1400 years ago. According to quran, there has always been one GOD and one true religion. But that religion emerged to world in 1400 years ago.Now if we move out of the that box, to an outsider like me, a religion called Islam was born at the time of Muhammad with new names and practises. That is a fact. I'm not gonna debate this clear fact with you.Well quran did copy almost all the erroneous concepts from bible. Starting from creationism. Ok this amazes me, I think I have  missed something big. I found quran to be more erroneous than bible. And I'm yet to find logic in quran.Maybe. But I assure you I do my homework before coming up here. I do not have any doubts by the way. I'm quite sure GOD does not exist. But I'm trying to understand why you think he does. (Who knows maybe you might have point in the end??)If possible please point out a single illogical post I have given in this forum. PM it to me, we don't need to go off topic. I assure you I'm all about logic nothing else.Nice. I suggested a name for the thread in one of my responses above.</blockquote>

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