"Whom say ye that I am?"

WHO DO YOU THINK JESUS IS?


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How can one God be three persons?

The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.

Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:

“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”

A New Testament example is James 2:19:

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”

The three persons of the Godhead are, at the same time, noted in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:

“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

The New Testament doctrine of the Trinity is evident in such a verse as John 15:26, where the Lord Jesus said:

“But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.”

Then there is the baptismal formula:

“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).


One name (God) — yet three names!

JESUS — That Jesus, as the only-begotten Son of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

HOLY SPIRIT — Some cults falsely teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal divine influence of some kind, but the Bible teaches that He is a real person, just as are the Father and the Son. Jesus said:

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come” (John 16:13).

TRI-UNITY — The teaching of the Bible concerning the Trinity might be summarized thus. God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.


We “see” God and His great salvation in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.

Though these relationships seem paradoxical, and to some completely impossible, they are profoundly realistic, and their truth is ingrained deep in man's nature. Thus, men have always sensed first the truth that God must be “out there,” everywhere present and the First Cause of all things, but they have corrupted this intuitive knowledge of the Father into pantheism and ultimately into naturalism.

Similarly, men have always felt the need to “see” God in terms of their own experience and understanding, but this knowledge that God must reveal Himself has been distorted into polytheism and idolatry. Men have thus continually erected “models” of God, sometimes in the form of graven images, sometimes even in the form of philosophical systems purporting to represent ultimate reality.

Finally, men have always known that they should be able to have communion with their Creator and to experience His presence “within.” But this deep intuition of the Holy Spirit has been corrupted into various forms of false mysticism and fanaticism, and even into spiritism and demonism. Thus, the truth of God's tri-unity is ingrained in man's very nature, but he has often distorted it and substituted a false god in its place.
 

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Y2K 's Final Revalation to all Muslim friends

The Big Question:
Please show me where in the Bible it says that Jesus said he is God and worship me as most Christian would like to think he is.

Answer:
I have been asked this in the very same formulation many times before. I hope this response brings out some of the issues I think are important in this regard.


N O W H E R E does Jesus say "I am God, worship me."


Suppose a man does indeed come up to you and does says,

"I am God, worship me."

Would you believe him?
Would you worship him?

The immediate reaction of any decent monotheistic believer would be to call the person making such a claim an impostor and a blasphemer. If that is your reaction too, then why would you demand something from Jesus which you aren't going to accept anyway? Most would declare insane anybody who would make such a statement. Jesus knows about this natural reaction as
well as anybody else and saw no reason to make his claims in such a foolish way. But he did make the claim in indirect ways and those are just as clear.

Maybe you are cautious and open and don't want to completely dismiss such a claim ... after all, saying that God is not able to come and appear in the form of a man does restrict his power, and you believe in an all powerful God, ... but you would at least demand conclusive proof for such a claim, wouldn't you? After all, if you do worship somebody who is not God you are guilty of idolatory. But refusing to worship God when he demands so is just as great a sin.

What matters in the end is not the existence of this literal statement, but whether there is clear evidence that he is indeed God, no matter in which form he issued the claim. If there is clear proof for his divine identity, then you have to worship Him even if the wording of his commands is not precisely the way you may think they should be. We cannot prescribe for God how he has to reveal himself before we accept it.

For example, in the Gospel according to John, (speaking of eternal life) Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies." (John 11:25).

He makes the offer of eternal life conditional on faith in his own person. This would be blasphemous for anybody other than God. This is an incredible claim. Does he give any evidence for his authority to make such claims? The record gives many details of what happened at this particular day, but at the end we read, "When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, `Lazarus, come out!' The dead mean came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, `Take off the grave clothes and let him go.'" (John 11:43-44).


When you read the Gospels carefully you will find that consistently

* Jesus talks like he is God,
* Jesus acts like he is God,
* Jesus gives evidence for claiming this authority rightfully
by performing miraculous signs.

After 3 years with his disciples we read how one of them asks Jesus and wants to be "shown the Father (God)".

Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. ... Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves." (John 14:10-11)

Jesus expected the disciples and the people around him to recognise his true nature and identity from his words which are only appropriate for God to speak and from his deeds. Jesus does give enough proof and then lets you draw your own conclusions. Everybody could make the claim to be God. And many have made claims to be (a) god throughout history. Only the true God can give true evidence for it and if you have the evidence there is no need for the explicit command to worship anymore. The statement "I am God" adds nothing of substance to the question regarding his identity. His real identity is established by the proof he gives, not by claims each and everybody can make. After he has given the evidence, there is no more need for the statement. Those who are open for the truth will recognise the evidence, those who ignore the evidence won't be convinced either if he adds this specific statement you seem to demand from him. And if you have recognized his true identity, worshiping him is only proper and will nearly be an "automatic" response.

I know this is an incredible thought, it is unbelievable. That is why it took even the disciples themselves such a long time to really understand it. They have really only started to comprehended the meaning of it all after Jesus' own death and resurrection, after they meet the risen Lord.

In the Gospel according to John, end of chapter 20, and the Gospel according to Matthew, end of chapter 28, we read how Jesus receives worship and affims this. Even though he never demands the worship, he accepts it and confirms it as proper.

You claim:

N O W H E R E Jesus says "I am God, worship me."

and understand this as

NOwhere Jesus says "I am God, worship me."

and you are right when taking it the literalistic way. He never says these very words. But he makes his claims very clear in many other ways. Open your eyes and you will see that the right way to read this statement is



Note: First Lesson is over No comments needed becuase truth can not be told it should be understood by yourself
 

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Y2K 's Final Revalation to all Muslim friends

The Big Question:
Please show me where in the Bible it says that Jesus said he is God and worship me as most Christian would like to think he is.

Answer:
I have been asked this in the very same formulation many times before. I hope this response brings out some of the issues I think are important in this regard.


N O W H E R E does Jesus say "I am God, worship me."


Suppose a man does indeed come up to you and does says,

"I am God, worship me."

Would you believe him?
Would you worship him?

The immediate reaction of any decent monotheistic believer would be to call the person making such a claim an impostor and a blasphemer. If that is your reaction too, then why would you demand something from Jesus which you aren't going to accept anyway? Most would declare insane anybody who would make such a statement. Jesus knows about this natural reaction as
well as anybody else and saw no reason to make his claims in such a foolish way. But he did make the claim in indirect ways and those are just as clear.

Maybe you are cautious and open and don't want to completely dismiss such a claim ... after all, saying that God is not able to come and appear in the form of a man does restrict his power, and you believe in an all powerful God, ... but you would at least demand conclusive proof for such a claim, wouldn't you? After all, if you do worship somebody who is not God you are guilty of idolatory. But refusing to worship God when he demands so is just as great a sin.

What matters in the end is not the existence of this literal statement, but whether there is clear evidence that he is indeed God, no matter in which form he issued the claim. If there is clear proof for his divine identity, then you have to worship Him even if the wording of his commands is not precisely the way you may think they should be. We cannot prescribe for God how he has to reveal himself before we accept it.

For example, in the Gospel according to John, (speaking of eternal life) Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies." (John 11:25).

He makes the offer of eternal life conditional on faith in his own person. This would be blasphemous for anybody other than God. This is an incredible claim. Does he give any evidence for his authority to make such claims? The record gives many details of what happened at this particular day, but at the end we read, "When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, `Lazarus, come out!' The dead mean came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, `Take off the grave clothes and let him go.'" (John 11:43-44).


When you read the Gospels carefully you will find that consistently

* Jesus talks like he is God,
* Jesus acts like he is God,
* Jesus gives evidence for claiming this authority rightfully
by performing miraculous signs.

After 3 years with his disciples we read how one of them asks Jesus and wants to be "shown the Father (God)".

Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. ... Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves." (John 14:10-11)

Jesus expected the disciples and the people around him to recognise his true nature and identity from his words which are only appropriate for God to speak and from his deeds. Jesus does give enough proof and then lets you draw your own conclusions. Everybody could make the claim to be God. And many have made claims to be (a) god throughout history. Only the true God can give true evidence for it and if you have the evidence there is no need for the explicit command to worship anymore. The statement "I am God" adds nothing of substance to the question regarding his identity. His real identity is established by the proof he gives, not by claims each and everybody can make. After he has given the evidence, there is no more need for the statement. Those who are open for the truth will recognise the evidence, those who ignore the evidence won't be convinced either if he adds this specific statement you seem to demand from him. And if you have recognized his true identity, worshiping him is only proper and will nearly be an "automatic" response.

I know this is an incredible thought, it is unbelievable. That is why it took even the disciples themselves such a long time to really understand it. They have really only started to comprehended the meaning of it all after Jesus' own death and resurrection, after they meet the risen Lord.

In the Gospel according to John, end of chapter 20, and the Gospel according to Matthew, end of chapter 28, we read how Jesus receives worship and affims this. Even though he never demands the worship, he accepts it and confirms it as proper.

You claim:

N O W H E R E Jesus says "I am God, worship me."

and understand this as

NOwhere Jesus says "I am God, worship me."

and you are right when taking it the literalistic way. He never says these very words. But he makes his claims very clear in many other ways. Open your eyes and you will see that the right way to read this statement is



Note: First Lesson is over No comments needed becuase truth can not be told it should be understood by yourself

No comments needed means , u cant answer the counter questions? God didn't ask them to worship you but u are praying hypothetically thinking that he is God...is it a logic that Christians use.....ha!ha! now you are exposed...
 

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HOW CAN JESUS BE GOD AND MAN AT THE SAME TIME? HE IS EITHER GOD OR HE IS MAN! How can he be on earth praying to God in heaven, talking about God as ‘my Father’ and He and the Father still be one God?”

ANSWER: A New Form: In God’s act of creation, His eternal Word came out of Him when He commanded “Be!” and yet He did not become two gods. In the same way, when he spoke His eternal Word into the virgin Mary, God's Word remained God and at the same time became a man like us. Jesus never stopped being Almighty God’s Eternal Word. God says in the Holy Injil,

“… Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:6-8)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God … All things were made through him … And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us …” (John 1:1,3,14)

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life – the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us – that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you …” (1 John 1:1,2)

“For by him all things were created … all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together ... For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” (Colossians 1:16,17; 2:9)

He changed his form, not His person. He is not sometimes God and sometimes man, nor is He half God and half man. He is both fully God and fully human at the same time – even if we cannot understand it!

දැන් ඉතින් කියන්න තියෙන්නෙ බයිබලය බොරු කියලා විතරයි.... ගෙඩි පිටින් සුද්ද සින්හලෙන් තියෙනවා සිද්දිය ....
 

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No comments needed means , u cant answer the counter questions? God didn't ask them to worship you but u are praying hypothetically thinking that he is God...is it a logic that Christians use.....ha!ha! now you are exposed...

Hey boy now you have spoken enough let me finished my work


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WHY DO YOU CALL JESUS THE ‘SON OF GOD’? GOD IS NOT A MAN WHO GETS MARRIED AND HAS SONS!”

WHY DO MUSLIMS OBJECT TO THIS? See The Qur’an’s Teaching:

(Sura 72:3) “And exalted is the majesty of our Lord; He has taken neither a wife nor a son.”

(Sura 112:3) “He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.”

(Sura 23:91) “No son did God beget, nor is there any god along with Him.

(Sura 9:30) “The Jews call Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God … God’s curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the truth!”

(Sura 4:171) “… So believe in God and His apostles … (Far exalted is He) above having a son.” [from Yusuf Ali’s notes 675 & 676: “… the Christian attitude is condemned, which … attributes a physical son to God … The doctrines of Trinity, equality with God, and sonship are repudiated as blasphemies. God is independent of all needs and has no need of a son to manage His affairs …”]


ANSWER #1: This expression is used metaphorically and not in a physical sense. The Bible does not teach that God got married to Mary and had a baby! That is blasphemy! Almighty God is not a physical being, so such a thing is not only unthinkable, it is impossible! The term, “Son of God” is used as a metaphor to describe a spiritual relationship, which we will see below (see answer #5).

The following are a few examples of the common use of this kind of metaphor in the Bible:

“… and all the daughters of song are brought low …” (Ecclesiastes 12:4)

“Go up to Gilead, and take balm, O virgin daughter of Egypt!” (Jeremiah 46:11)

“Judah has profaned the sanctuary of the Lord … and has married the daughter of a foreign god.” (Malachi 2:11)

“The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one.” (Matthew 13:38)

“James the son of Zebedee and John the brother of James (to whom he gave the name Boanerges, that is, Sons of Thunder) …” (Mark 3:17)

“Jesus said to them, ‘If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God … You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires.’” (John 8:42,44)

“… the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience …were by nature children of wrath …” (Ephesians 1:2,3)



Yes, Jesus was born physically of the virgin Mary about 2000 years ago, so He has been the son of Mary for some time, but he has always been the Son of God:

“… in these last days he (God) has spoken to us by his Son … through whom also he created the world.” (Hebrews 1:2)
 

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QUESTION: “DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS THE MESSIAH IS GOD JUST BECAUSE HE IS CALLED, ‘THE SON OF GOD’ IN THE BIBLE? ADAM, ISRAEL AND OTHERS ALSO ARE CALLED GOD’S SONS IN THE BIBLE.”

(See Luke 3:38 – “... Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God”; Hosea 11:1 – “When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.”; Romans 8:14 – “For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”; Galatians 3:26 – “For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.”)


WHY DO MUSLIMS THINK THIS WAY? Muslims normally do not think this way. Only the rare Muslim who has studied the Bible or a Muslim who has been taught some kind of apologetics would ask this kind of question.


ANSWER: Jesus is The Unique Son of God: We don’t believe Jesus the Messiah is God just because he is called “The Son of God” in the Bible, although this term does imply his deity (see previous question). There are other, stronger reasons for believing he is God. Even though many people are called sons of God, Jesus the Messiah is so uniquely greater than all the others that he is called “The Son of God” as well as “God’s only Son”:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life…Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” (John 3:16,18)

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

“In this the love of God was made manifest among us that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.” (1 John 4:9)


The Term “Son of God” Also Clearly Implies That He is God. The Jewish religious leaders tried to stone the Lord Jesus specifically because he called Himself the Son of God:

“Jesus answered … ‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father, for which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’ Jesus answered them …‘Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, “I am God’s Son”’” (John 10:25-36)

On the following occasions in the life of Jesus the Messiah He accepted the worship of people who recognized His deity:

“During the fourth watch of the night Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. ‘It’s a ghost,’ they said, and cried out in fear. But Jesus immediately said to them: ‘Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.’ … When [he] had climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshipped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’” (Matthew 14:25-33)

“When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. He shouted at the top of his voice, ‘What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?’” (Mark 5:6,7)

“As week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you!’ then he said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here, see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:26-29)
 
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HOW CAN JESUS BE GOD AND MAN AT THE SAME TIME? HE IS EITHER GOD OR HE IS MAN! How can he be on earth praying to God in heaven, talking about God as ‘my Father’ and He and the Father still be one God?”

ANSWER: A New Form: In God’s act of creation, His eternal Word came out of Him when He commanded “Be!” and yet He did not become two gods. In the same way, when he spoke His eternal Word into the virgin Mary, God's Word remained God and at the same time became a man like us. Jesus never stopped being Almighty God’s Eternal Word. God says in the Holy Injil,

“… Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:6-8)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God … All things were made through him … And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us …” (John 1:1,3,14)

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life – the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us – that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you …” (1 John 1:1,2)

“For by him all things were created … all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together ... For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” (Colossians 1:16,17; 2:9)

He changed his form, not His person. He is not sometimes God and sometimes man, nor is He half God and half man. He is both fully God and fully human at the same time – even if we cannot understand it!

දැන් ඉතින් කියන්න තියෙන්නෙ බයිබලය බොරු කියලා විතරයි.... ගෙඩි පිටින් සුද්ද සින්හලෙන් තියෙනවා සිද්දිය ....

You are liar..Your bible says God Cant change form. this is from your bible for your reading if u dont know, since u are copying & pasting wat others misguide you....

Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

also Psalm 102:26-27, Hebrews 6:17-18; James 1:17.

New Testament teaches that Jesus did change and that he didn't even know the day or hour of his return (Cf. Mark 13:32; Luke 2:40,52)..GOD DONT KNOW SOMETHING...are u kidding?? are u trying to make everyone trust here...dont please misguide the people here..enough lies are enough..pls.
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You are liar..Your bible says God Cant change form. this is from your bible for your reading if u dont know, since u are copying & pasting wat others misguide you....

Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

also Psalm 102:26-27, Hebrews 6:17-18; James 1:17.

New Testament teaches that Jesus did change and that he didn't even know the day or hour of his return (Cf. Mark 13:32; Luke 2:40,52)..GOD DONT KNOW SOMETHING...are u kidding?? are u trying to make everyone trust here...dont please misguide the people here..enough lies are enough..pls.
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සාතන් පල ..


then tell me what the hell this means to you god damn it


Oneness with the Father

7“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
 

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You are liar..Your bible says God Cant change form. this is from your bible for your reading if u dont know, since u are copying & pasting wat others misguide you....

Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

also Psalm 102:26-27, Hebrews 6:17-18; James 1:17.

New Testament teaches that Jesus did change and that he didn't even know the day or hour of his return (Cf. Mark 13:32; Luke 2:40,52)..GOD DONT KNOW SOMETHING...are u kidding?? are u trying to make everyone trust here...dont please misguide the people here..enough lies are enough..pls.
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You are talking about physical connectin not spiritual one poor boy!
 

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You are liar..Your bible says God Cant change form. this is from your bible for your reading if u dont know, since u are copying & pasting wat others misguide you....

Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

also Psalm 102:26-27, Hebrews 6:17-18; James 1:17.

New Testament teaches that Jesus did change and that he didn't even know the day or hour of his return (Cf. Mark 13:32; Luke 2:40,52)..GOD DONT KNOW SOMETHING...are u kidding?? are u trying to make everyone trust here...dont please misguide the people here..enough lies are enough..pls.
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this is specail kollo !

Confirmation
“For by him all things were created … all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together ... For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” (Colossians 1:16,17; 2:9)


“‘If you are the Christ,’ they said, ‘Tell us.’ Jesus answered, ‘If I tell you, you will not believe me, and if I asked you, you would not answer. But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.’ They all asked, ‘Are you then the Son of God?’ He replied, ‘You are right in saying I am.’” (Luke 22:67-70).


This son is so special dear not like ur our God is full of love !
 
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You are talking about physical connectin not spiritual one poor boy!

"My Father is greater than I." [The Bible, John 14:28]
"My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]
"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

all this are not proving you to support he is not GOD, but what matters to you is he is spiritually GOD..

further ,

1- God’s attributes never change, he is ALWAYS all POWERFUL and all MIGHTY, and is not in need of anyone else, he owns everything and has all power and authority. Jesus was not all-powerful nor was he all mighty, since he had nothing of his own, everything he had was from the Father. Jesus did not own anything, especially the authority he had. It was GIVEN, not owned by Jesus. Jesus was in need of the Father to spread the message and teach the people, by signs, miracles, and doctrine. All those things were given to Jesus. God is not in need of ANYTHING. That is why he says he is not LIKE a man. So basically if we are to believe Jesus is God, then it is without a doubt that God did change and lied when he said he does not change. Let us just make a summary out of point one.

A- God is not in need of anything or anyone: Jesus was in need of the Father. (John 8:28, John 5:30, Heb 5:7-8)

B- God OWNS everything, all things belong to him, he does not receive power or authority from others. Jesus did not own ANYTHING, everything he had was from the Father, from miracles to his doctrine, and nothing was his. The divine Jesus who is not bound by the flesh is also in need of things. (John 14:24, John 7:16, Mat 28:18, John 13:3, John 17:6-8, as for the divine Jesus being GIVEN things Dan 7: 13-14)

So the facts are clear, Jesus is in no way similar to God, and if Jesus is God, then God did definitely change!

2- God's message doesn’t change either; God does not change his mind or repent. However so, we hear Christians saying Jesus came down to die for our sins, which is another drastic U-turn in the way God does things. The first commandment was always the most important of all, and so were several other commandments. However we now see that position has changed. We now have to believe in Jesus dying for our sins to be saved, and that the NT and OT are very different. So the fact of the matter is that if Jesus is God, then God did change his message, and his mind on the way he does things, by making Jesus die for our sins. It seems God was not strong enough that he had to make an easy way into heaven for us, just believe in Jesus and you’re saved. It seems God gave up on us.

So I do not believe that God did change, and that Jesus is NOT God. The facts are there for everyone to see...
 

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You are liar..Your bible says God Cant change form. this is from your bible for your reading if u dont know, since u are copying & pasting wat others misguide you....

Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

True statement person like mohomed can not be a messeger he is a murderer person like him can't not be a true prophet yes god can not be a man do don't forget that Jesus is not just a MAN he is God from the father he is Son of God

1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Yeah he is not merely a Man we all agreed on this


Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus is one actually GOd is one he doesn't change here change means his word last forever the only god need revisions was Allah the Muslim God

also Psalm 102:26-27, Hebrews 6:17-18; James 1:17.

New Testament teaches that Jesus did change and that he didn't even know the day or hour of his return (Cf. Mark 13:32; Luke 2:40,52)..GOD DONT KNOW SOMETHING...are u kidding?? are u trying to make everyone trust here...dont please misguide the people here..enough lies are enough..pls.
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Ok do you think Allah knows the hour...... it is not Jesus's duty to reveal it

does quran tall you the hour ? I don't think so ..... so if you ask Allah tell me the hour so that i can be ready he won't tell you (because he doesn't know it) but Jesus say only the father knows it mean it is not his duty to reveal the hour

just think what if jesus reveal the hour ? then our world will go mad bt instead of that jesus gave us some clues

"Son of man, this is what the Sovereign LORD says to the land of Israel: The end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land.

Signs of the End of the Age

1As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

2“Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4“Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”

5Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ (Muslim Jesus) and will deceive many. 7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.

9“You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.

12“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

14“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a standing where itb does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again. 20If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christc!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

24“But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

25the stars will fall from the sky,

and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’d

26“At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

28“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generatione will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown
32“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on guard! Be alertf! You do not know when that time will come. 34It’s like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.

35“Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 36If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!’”
 

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"My Father is greater than I." [The Bible, John 14:28]
"My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]
"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

all this are not proving you to support he is not GOD, but what matters to you is he is spiritually GOD..

further ,

1- God’s attributes never change, he is ALWAYS all POWERFUL and all MIGHTY, and is not in need of anyone else, he owns everything and has all power and authority. Jesus was not all-powerful nor was he all mighty, since he had nothing of his own, everything he had was from the Father. Jesus did not own anything, especially the authority he had. It was GIVEN, not owned by Jesus. Jesus was in need of the Father to spread the message and teach the people, by signs, miracles, and doctrine. All those things were given to Jesus. God is not in need of ANYTHING. That is why he says he is not LIKE a man. So basically if we are to believe Jesus is God, then it is without a doubt that God did change and lied when he said he does not change. Let us just make a summary out of point one.

A- God is not in need of anything or anyone: Jesus was in need of the Father. (John 8:28, John 5:30, Heb 5:7-8)

B- God OWNS everything, all things belong to him, he does not receive power or authority from others. Jesus did not own ANYTHING, everything he had was from the Father, from miracles to his doctrine, and nothing was his. The divine Jesus who is not bound by the flesh is also in need of things. (John 14:24, John 7:16, Mat 28:18, John 13:3, John 17:6-8, as for the divine Jesus being GIVEN things Dan 7: 13-14)

So the facts are clear, Jesus is in no way similar to God, and if Jesus is God, then God did definitely change!

2- God's message doesn’t change either; God does not change his mind or repent. However so, we hear Christians saying Jesus came down to die for our sins, which is another drastic U-turn in the way God does things. The first commandment was always the most important of all, and so were several other commandments. However we now see that position has changed. We now have to believe in Jesus dying for our sins to be saved, and that the NT and OT are very different. So the fact of the matter is that if Jesus is God, then God did change his message, and his mind on the way he does things, by making Jesus die for our sins. It seems God was not strong enough that he had to make an easy way into heaven for us, just believe in Jesus and you’re saved. It seems God gave up on us.

So I do not believe that God did change, and that Jesus is NOT God. The facts are there for everyone to see...

Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.
 

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By Satan:

“If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread ... If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down ...” (Matthew 4:3,6)
 

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Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son.
 

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Matthew 24:24 For false Christs (Muslims Jesus) and false prophets (Prophet Mohomed) will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.
 

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1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.