Nivana (Attainable or Not ???)

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NIBBANA FOR EVERYONE

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Buddhadasa Bhikkhu

(adapted and translated by Santikaro Bhikkhu)


When you hear the words "Nibbana for everyone," many of you will shake your heads. You'll think that I'm trying to "dye cats for sale"(1) and probably don't have any interest in the subject. This only happens because you understand the meaning of such words too narrowly and out of line with the truth.

In the schools children are taught that Nibbana(2) is the death of an Arahant. The ordinary man in the street has been taught that it's a special city empty of pain and chock full of the happiness of fulfilled wishes, supposedly reached after death by those who store up perfections (parami) over tens of thousands of lifetimes. Modern social developers see it as an obstruction to progress that we shouldn't get involved with or even discuss. Students in general consider it a matter for devout old folks at the temple with nothing of relevance for them. Young men and women think it's bland and unexciting, awful and frightening. All the candidates for the monkhood merely mouth without understanding the vow, "May I go forth in order to awaken to Nibbana." The old monks say Nibbana can't happen anymore in this day and age, and that an Arahant cannot exist anymore either. So finally, Nibbana has become a secret that no one cares about. They've turned it into something barren and silent, buried away in the scriptures, to be paid occasional service in sermons while no one really knows what it is.

In fact, without this business of Nibbana, Buddhism would be as good as dead. When nobody is interested in Nibbana, then nobody is genuinely interested in Buddhism. When nothing about Nibbana interests us, then we can't get any benefits at all from Buddhism. I feel that it's about time for us to get interested and bring about the highest benefit, as fits the words, "Nibbana is the Supreme Thing" — namely, the highest goal of living things, which is always inseparable from our daily lives.

Nibbana has nothing in the least to do with death. The word "Nibbana" means "coolness." Back when it was just an ordinary word that people used in their homes it also meant "coolness." When it is used as Dhamma language, in a religious context, it still means "coolness," but refers to the cooling or going out of the fires of defilement (kilesa, reactive emotions), while in the common people's usage it means the cooling of physical fires.

Throughout the Pali scriptures, the word "Nibbana" is never used in the sense of death. When death is discussed, the word "marana" is used. Otherwise, the word "Parinibbana" is used, such as when the Buddha said, "The Parinibbana will occur three months from now.(3)

Nibbana Is One Of The Dhatus (natural conditions). It is the coolness remaining when the defilements — greed, anger, fear, delusion — have ended. Two types of this element can be distinguished. In the first, the defilements are exhausted and cooled, but the sensory system, the organs that receive sensory stimuli aren't yet cool. In the second, this sensory system is also cooled. A white-hot charcoal illustrates the difference. When it first goes out, it is still too hot to be handled. We must wait a while longer until it is cool enough to be touched. Through the explanations of later generations the meaning of "Nibbana" has changed to "death." Such changes and lapses are commonplace in this world, so nowadays we Thais use the later distorted meaning. I myself was taught this way when I was a child. When I first became a bhikkhu, I still understood it erroneously and passed that understanding on to my friends and students. Only when I could study the original Pali texts for myself did I discover that Nibbana was a whole other affair than death. Instead, it's a kind of life that knows no death. Nibbana is the thing that sustains life, thus preventing death. It itself can never die, although the body must die eventually.

As things are, other Indian religions contemporary with Buddhism also used the word "Nibbana." In the Pali texts there's a passage about a Brahmin teacher named Bavari from the area of the Godhavari River in Southern India. He sent his sixteen students, also well-known teachers, to ask the Lord Buddha about his version of Nibbana. Some of them may have understood Nibbana to mean "death." In Theravada countries, this story is well known as "the Sixteen Questions" (of the students).(4) The point here is that the theme of Nibbana was the highest concern of the Indian religions contemporary with Buddhism. Further, there must have been at least one group that interpreted it as "death" and spread its teaching in the vicinity of "The Golden Land" (Suvarnabhumi, the ancient name of Siam) before Buddhism arrived here. Thus, it was left behind as the general understanding among the common folk, similar to what happened with atta (self) and atman (soul). Now we had better return to our examination of Nibbana as taught in Buddhism.

When Prince Siddhartha first took up the homeless spiritual life, he wandered in search of the Nibbana that is the total quenching of all dukkha — he wasn't looking for death! From the famous teachers of India at that time, he learned nothing higher than the experience of neither perception nor non-perception (nevasanyanasanyayatana), a degree of mental tranquility so deep that we can describe it neither as "death" nor as "non-death." He couldn't accept this as the supreme Nibbana, so he went off to search on his own until he discovered the Nibbana that is the coolness remaining when the defilements have finally ended. He called it "the end of dukkha," meaning the exhaustion of all the heat produced by defilements. However much the defilements are exhausted, there's that much coolness, until there is perfect coolness due to the defilements being finished completely. In short, to the degree that the defilements are ended, there will be that much coolness or Nibbana. That is, Nibbana is the coolness resulting from the quenching of defilements, whether they quench on their own or someone quenches them through Dhamma practice. Whenever the defilements are quenched, then there is the thing called "Nibbana," always with the same meaning — coolness.

Next, notice that the defilements are concocted things (sankharadhammas) that arise and pass away. As it says in the Pali,

Yankinci samudayadhammam sabbantam nirodhadhammam.
(Whatever things originate, all those will cease.)

Any reactive emotion that arises ceases when its causes and conditions are finished. Although it may be a temporary quenching, merely a temporary coolness, it still means Nibbana, even if only temporarily. Thus, there's a temporary Nibbana for those who still can't avoid some defilements. This indeed is the temporary Nibbana that sustains the lives of beings who are still hanging onto defilement. Anyone can see that if the egoistic emotions exist night and day without any pause or rest, no life could endure it. If it didn't die, it would go crazy and then die in the end. You ought to consider carefully the fact that life can survive only because there are periods when the defilements don't roast it, which, in fact, outnumber the times when the defilements blaze.

These periodic Nibbanas sustain life for all of us, without excepting even animals, which have their levels of Nibbana, too. We are able to survive because this kind of Nibbana nurtures us, until it becomes the most ordinary habit of life and of the mind. Whenever there is freedom from defilement, then there is the value and meaning of Nibbana. This must occur fairly often for living things to survive. That we have some time to relax both bodily and mentally provides us with the freshness and vitality needed to live.

Why don't we understand and feel thankful for this kind of Nibbana at least a little bit? We're lucky that the instincts can manage by themselves. Conscious beings naturally search for periods that are free from craving, thirst, and egoism. We might call this natural urge "the Nibbana instinct." If there is unremitting thirst, life must die. Thus, infants know how to suck the breast and mosquitoes know how to buzz around sucking blood to sustain their lives until they are slapped to death. Our instincts have this virtue built in: they search for periods of time sufficiently free from defilement or free from thirst to maintain life. Whenever there is freedom and voidness there is always this little Nibbana, until we know how to make it into the lasting or perfect Nibbana of the Arahant. It isn't death, but rather is deathlessness, in particular, spiritual deathlessness. If anyone sees this fact, they'll personally experience that we can survive only through this kind of Nibbana. We don't survive just because of that rice and food that so infatuate people. We realize that everybody must have this thing called "Nibbana" and must depend on it as their lives' sustenance. So who can object to us talking about "Nibbana for everyone"?

In order to better understand the meaning of the word "Nibbana," we ought to look at it from the perspective of linguistics. A material sense of the word is found in the phrase "pajjotasseva nibbanam" This "nibbana" refers to the ordinary quenching of a lamp, and more broadly to any source of heat or fire. When the rice porridge is still hot, the cook yells out from the kitchen, "wait a moment, let it nibbana first." When the goldsmith melts down gold and pours it into a mold, he sprinkles water on it to cool it down. The word used in Pali here is "nibbapeyya," to first make it nibbana or cool before working it into some shape or form.

Even the wild animals that are captured from the jungle and tamed like pussycats are said to have been "nibbana-ed." Sensual pleasures cool down foolish people in a way appropriate for them. Unwavering concentration on material forms (rupajhanas) brings coolness free from those fires of sensuality. Although temporary, these absorptions (jhanas) are certain levels of Nibbana, also. The "experience of nothingness" (akincanyayatana) and the other formless absorptions (arupajhanas) bring levels of coolness free from the fires that arises out of attractive material things. Nibbana due to the ending of all defilements brings the final coolness that is the ultimate in all respects.

Certain groups of teachers have come up with the word "sivamokkha-mahanibbana," which they explain as some kind of town or city. Although no one can make any sense of it, they keep it around for people to bow to when this strange word is declaimed from the pulpits of their run of the mill temples.

There is also the word "nibbuti," meaning an ethical level of Nibbana. It refers to a cool heart and cool life such as that which impressed a young woman on seeing Prince Siddhartha. She exclaimed, "Whoever's son this gentleman is, his mother and father are nibbuta (that is, cool); whoever's husband he is, that woman is nibbuta (once again, cool)." Such examples have the meaning of Nibbana, also. Nowadays the monks in Thailand chant the benefits of ethical behavior with "silena nibbutim yanti," which means nibbuti is achieved through healthy morality (sila). This comes after the lesser benefits of ethical living, such as acquisition of wealth and attaining happy births (sugati). The purpose here is for Nibbana to have a place in ordinary daily life.

This coolness of heart and peace of mind that everyone desires is the meaning of Nibbana. However, people misunderstand it and aim only for sex, which is hot stuff. Thus, they get a deceptive Nibbana. People have clung to such an interpretation since, or even before, the Buddha's time, such as can be found among the sixty-two wrong views listed in the Brahmajala Sutta.(5)

Please consider the history and basic meaning of the word "Nibbana." In all cases it points to coolness of heart and mind, according to the higher or lower awareness of each person. The essential meaning, however, is always in the nurturing and sustaining of life. It lessens the time when fires burn the mind just enough for us to survive and eventually develops to the highest level, which absolutely quenches all fires. The highest degree of realization in Buddhism, according to the Buddha, is the end of lust, the end of hatred, and the end of delusion, which is the final quenching of all fires and the coolest coolness that life can be.

Nibbana is not the mind, but is something that the mind can experience, or, as the Buddha put it, is a certain ayatana that wisdom can experience. Forms, sounds, odors, flavors, and tactile sensations are material or physical ayatana, things the body can experience. The formless absorptions from the experience of endless space (akasanancayatana) up to and including the experience of neither perception nor non-perception (nevasanyanasanyayatana) are mental ayatana that the mind can experience.(6) Then, Nibbana is a spiritual ayatana for mindfulness and wisdom to experience and realize. We should consider it something that Nature has provided for the highest level of humanity. We ought to know it so that Nibbana and our lives are not in vain. Every one of us has mindfulness and wisdom in order to touch Nibbana. Don't let it go to waste!

The Nibbana-element exists naturally so that Nibbana will be realized, like a precious medicine which ends all dukkha. There is the dukkha or disease which ordinary medicines cannot cure, namely, the disease of defilement that must be cured by the extinction of defilements, through which this nibbana-dhatu is realized. This highest spiritual illness lies deeply hidden in us and torments us secretly. Anyone who can quench it has reached the pinnacle of being human.

The words "there is no Nibbana" are more wrong than wrong can be because the nibbana-element exists naturally, everywhere, always, only nobody is interested enough to find it. The Lord Buddha discovered and revealed it to us through his enormous compassion, but we cut the story short thinking that in this era there is no Nibbana anymore, when we should instead say that nobody understands it or is interested in it. Merely by becoming proper followers of the Buddha, Nibbana will appear. It is already waiting for people to find it.

We cannot create Nibbana because it is beyond all causes and conditions. Nevertheless, we can create the conditions for realizing Nibbana, namely, all actions which lead to the abandonment of the defilements. We won't claim, as some do, that "doing good is a condition for Nibbana." Condition (paccaya) implies causal necessity, but there is nothing which has such power over Nibbana. The right words are "doing good is a condition for realizing Nibbana," which can be done in any age or period. Old folks like the words "Stairway to Nibbana" because they think it is a place or city, which is what they have been taught. Still, it is an acceptable enough phrase, meaning simply "supporting conditions for the realization of Nibbana."

There are dozens of synonyms for Nibbana, for example, the Deathless, Permanence, Peace, Safety, Health, Diseaselessness, Freedom, Emancipation, Shelter, Refuge, Immunity, Island (for those fallen into water), Highest Benefit, Supreme Joy, Other Shore, That Which Should Be Reached, and the End of Concocting. All of these are thoroughly cool, because there aren't any fires to make them hot. Peaceful coolness is their meaning or value; unfortunately, it is a value too subtle to interest people who are still overly enveloped by selfishness. When brushing aside the defilements for the first time, you will certainly be delighted by Nibbana more than anything ever before. This is available to and possible for everyone. May we take the word "coolness" as the supreme value.

The expression that best conveys the meaning of Nibbana is "the end of dukkha." Although the Buddha used this term, it's of no interest for those people who feel that they don't have any dukkha or suffering. They don't feel they have dukkha: they just want the things they want and think there isn't any dukkha to quench. Consequently, they don't care about quenching dukkha or about the end of dukkha. Even a large number of the many foreigners who come to Suan Mokkh feel this way. However, once we tell them there is a new life, or quenching of thirst, or life which is beyond positive and negative, they really start to get interested. This is the difficulty of language, which we nonetheless must use to get people interested in Nibbana. For each person, there must be one translation of the word "Nibbana" especially for that person. This is no minor difficulty. Yet deep down, without being conscious of or having any intention toward it, everyone wants Nibbana if only through the power of instinct.

The study of Nibbana in daily life is possible in order to have a better understanding of and a greater interest in Nibbana's meaning. When seeing a fire go out or something hot cooling down, look for the meaning of Nibbana in it. When bathing or drinking ice water, when a breeze blows or rain falls, take notice of the meaning of Nibbana. When a fever subsides, a swelling goes down, or a headache goes away, recognize the meaning of Nibbana as found in those things. When perspiring, sleeping comfortably, or eating one's fill, see the meaning of Nibbana. When seeing an animal with all its fierceness and danger tamed away, see the meaning of Nibbana. All of these are lessons to help us understand the nature of Nibbana in every moment. The mind will regularly incline towards contentment in Nibbana and this helps the mind to flow more easily along the path of Nibbana.

Whenever you find coolness in your experience, mark that coolness firmly in your heart, and breathe out and in. Breathing in is cool, breathing out is cool. In cool, out cool — do this for a little while. This is an excellent lesson that will help you to become a Lover of Nibbana (Nibbanakamo) more quickly. The instincts will develop in an enlightened (bodhi) way more than if you don't practice like this. Natural Nibbana — the unconscious quenching of defilement — will occur more often and easily. This is the best way to help nature.

In conclusion, Nibbana is not death. Rather, it is the coolness and deathlessness that is full of life. In the Pali scriptures, the word "Nibbana" is never used regarding death. Nibbana is a natural element always ready to make contact with the mind in the sense of being one kind of ayatana (sensible thing). If there were no Nibbana, Buddhism would have no meaning. The genuine kind of Nibbana, different from the Nibbana of other sects, was discovered by the Buddha. Natural Nibbana can happen simply because the defilements arise and end naturally because they are just another kind of concocted nature. Every time the defilements don't appear, Nibbana becomes apparent to the mind. This kind of Nibbana nourishes the lives of living things so they survive and don't go crazy. At least, it lets us sleep at night. Nibbana isn't any kind of special city anywhere. It is in the mind that is now void of besieging defilements. For the morality of ordinary people at home, its name is "nibbuti." Nibbana isn't the mind, but it appears to the mind as a certain ayatana. We can experience Nibbana here and now by breathing in cool and breathing out cool. It is the automatic quenching of heat, of thirst, of dukkha in ordinary life, even without our being conscious of it. It is the eternal nourishment and sustenance of life.

I hope that you all will begin to know that "Nibbana for everyone" isn't just "dyeing cats for sale," but is the genuine cat for catching rats — that is, dukkha and anxiety — according to the mindfulness and wisdom of each person!
 
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where all the phantoms live..
machan haba aramunakma SMART wenna one naha....nirwanaya kiyana eka labaa ganna time limit ekak thiyanna baha coz kawuruth hariyata danne naha eka kochchara kaalekin labaa ganna puluwan deyak da kiyala...

machan nirwanaya labeema kenekuge objective ekak wenna baha eka hariyata vision ekak wage ( da ultimate goal) .. so vision ekak SMART wenna ona naha machan..:P


 

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machan me goal eka aduma gane ada 6 Billion people innnawa adu ane 1 kenek hari labaganna ona ?? but today it is almost impossible
 

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    Y2K said:
    machan me goal eka aduma gane ada 6 Billion people innnawa adu ane 1 kenek hari labaganna ona ?? but today it is almost impossible
    ok then let just say yes
    Now what do you want us to do
     

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    Definition:

    Some schools of Buddhism explain Nirvana as a state of bliss or peace, and this state may be experienced in life, or it may be entered into at death.

    The word Nirvana means "to extinguish," such as extinguishing the flame of a candle. This "extinguishment" is not understood by Buddhists to mean annihilation. Rather, it is thought of as passing into another kind of existence.

    In early forms of Buddhism, Nirvana was understood to be liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth and freedom from the effects of karma. Later, in Mahayana Buddhism, Nirvana came to be thought of as oneness with the Absolute. However, the Absolute is the union of Nirvana and Samsara.

    The various schools of Buddhism have diverse teachings about whether Nirvana can be attained before death or only after death.
     

    bhai4uanu

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    Y2K said:
    Definition:

    Some schools of Buddhism explain Nirvana as a state of bliss or peace, and this state may be experienced in life, or it may be entered into at death.

    The word Nirvana means "to extinguish," such as extinguishing the flame of a candle. This "extinguishment" is not understood by Buddhists to mean annihilation. Rather, it is thought of as passing into another kind of existence.

    In early forms of Buddhism, Nirvana was understood to be liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth and freedom from the effects of karma. Later, in Mahayana Buddhism, Nirvana came to be thought of as oneness with the Absolute. However, the Absolute is the union of Nirvana and Samsara.

    The various schools of Buddhism have diverse teachings about whether Nirvana can be attained before death or only after death.
    just hold on brother
    did anyone here asked you to stop believing Jesus?
    what is your problem
     

    kalyanamithra

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    Pinwath mithura,

    Y2K said:
    Machan Nirvana gana danaganna asai .... me treand aka open kare ekatai ..... mata prashna kihipayak tiyanaw wisada ganna .................... Bhudist ayege aramuna wenne Niwan dakimai ...................... namuth ada niwan dakinna puluwan kiyen ki denatada ?

    Eka thamai prashne... avurudu 100 ganakdi budu dahama pilipadina akaraye vuna pirihima... :(
    Nivana nethnam Budu dahamen vedak ne... Mokada pin pav vipaka pala dena eka katath venawa (Bauddha venna one ne ne...)
    Bududahamen apata laba dena vedagathma de thamai pin pav vipaka nethi kara nivan dekime hekiyavai... E gena katha nokarana dhamak Budu dahama neve...

    Y2K said:
    mama kiyanne Lord Bhuddha ge Parinirwanayek passe Rahath une first 1000 years witharai .............. ada kale ochchara api utsaha karath apita Nirwanaya awaboda unath Nivan dakinn ba ..............
    Ehema kiyanna epa... Margaya vedimai karanna one... :)

    Apa karanna one "Arya Ashtanga Margaya" (ekata "mission" kivath kamak ne...) vedimai... Ema margaya ha ehi yema nisa vana pala (evata thami 'marga pala' kiyanne; nethiva adbutha deval neme...) pirihenne ne... Api margaye poddak hari idiriyata hiyoth eka pirihenne ne :) ekai vedagath...
    Nivana kiyanne ape avasan ilakkaya ('vision' kivvoth hondin therei)... Katavath thaman nivan dakkanna be... Karanna puluvan Arya Ashtangika margaya vadana eka vitharai... Eke palaya thamai ama maha nivana...

    Ei? Api 'mama', 'mage', 'mata one vidihata thiyaganna one' kiya hithuwata kisima deyak ese vanne ne... Anathmai... (uda: api ape hith 'ape' kiya hithuwata; ese venawa da? hema vitama apita one vidihata thiya ganna puluvan da?)

    Thawa deyak: den Rahathan vahansela nethnam neththe Dharmaye/ nivan margaye varadak nisa neme... Varad thiyenne eya pilipadina aya nethi nisa... Kenek margaya pilipeddoth prathipala thiyenawa.. E hinda thamai darmayata 'akalika' kiyanne - kalayakata valangu ne...

    Y2K said:
    ithin aramunak (SMART ) wiya uthu bama api kauruth dannawa enum S=Simple. M-measurable, A- Achievable, R- Realistic , T- Time Bounded yana karunu sampurana wenna una ................ machan Lord Bhuddhage Dhahama 100% hari namuth Target eka Achievable na, R-Realisticna athi vishala kalpa ganak gatha wenawa Measurable uth na ithin sahosarawaruni thawa margayak ho kihipayak aniwareyenma theyenna ona apita me sasaren egoda wenna .....
    Oba SMART kiyanne me loke ganna puluvan deval gena ne! Eva SMART kivata, api meruna gaman nethi venawa ne...
    Oba den merunoth oya SMART deval valin kiyak ithiri venawa da kiyala hitha balanna? :)
    (oba nevatha ipadima vishvasa nokaranawanam mata kiyanna deyak ne... mokada laukika sammadhittiyata apu nethi kenekuta meva therenne nethi nisa)

    Obama kiva ne avurudu 1000 venakam rahathan vahansela hitiya kiyala; den kiyanawa 'target' eka 'achievable' ne kiyala!
    (E kiyanne ekko obata kiyanna one de pehediliva kiyala ne... Nethnam oba e adahas gode petelila inne... mulinma karanna one obe adahasa niravul kara ganna eka... ita passe prashne ehuvoth hondai ne da? Mokada Dharmaya katha karanna one hithe petelili adu velavata ne....)

    Eka neme prashne; margaye yanna uthsaha karan aya no hitimai; margaya kiyala vena deval patalava gena hindimai... Den e thathve venas vela... margaye yanna hadana 1000 ganak innawa... Prathipala lebei issarahata....

    Nivana oba kiyana mimi valata aiythi ne; eka maninna be... aneka oba Nivana sambandhayen 'measureable' kiyala adahas karanne mokakda? Mata nam penne oba SMART kiyana eka avabodhayak nethiva yoda eththe va kiyala... :(

    Y2K said:
    mage adahasa moda ekkak kiyala kenekuta kiyanna puluwan namuth poddak hithala balanna puluwanum eka puddalayek hari pennana sowan hari una >?>???
    Ne mithura, obe adahasa moda ne :) oba meva hoyana eka hondai; no soya innawata vada...

    Eth oba hoyana de avadanam sahithai... Dharmaya thiyenne thama thulin dakinna... Oba Dharmya gena thiyena seka nisa thami sowan wuna aya hoyanna hadanne.. Eth ehema hoyanne kohomada? Sowan kenek ekka hitiyath sowan novuna kenekta e bava hitha gannawath be... Aneka oba sowan aya hoyanna heduwoth - boho vita hamu wanne sowan kiya reveti inna aya...
    Sowan aya issara hitiya.. denuth innawa... Eth eken oyata vedak venne ne, oba shraddhanussari (e kiyanne sowan margayata peminima) vath novunoth...


    Y2K said:
    Nivana Tiyenne Kohoda? is it in heaven ? Lord Bhuddha kiyanne niwana kiyanne Pahanak dalwila niwi giya wage kiyala ?? Mokakda me Niwana ?
    Nivan kohe vath ne... :) Eka kyanna thamai pahan sile upamawa...
    Mama mehema kiyannam; api 'mama' kiya hithan inna de 'mama' kiyanna puluvan deyak ne... Ethana niyenne hethu-pala kriyawaliyak vitharai... E 'mechanism' ekata kiyanne 'paticcasamuppadaya' kiyala...

    Therena bashaven kivoth: hithanna api vage hesirena AI software ekak develop kara kiyala kavada hari... computer eka duwana kam e program eka kenk vage hesirenne... eka thama innawa kiyala hithai... eth ehtana kavuruth ne mechanism ekaka prathipalayak vitharai...

    Ape thathwe tharamak evage; venasa nam api ese hitha karana, kiyana, sithana deval nisa vipaka dena lesa karma sakas venawa... E nisa maranin passe upadinawa... E hinda mama kiva AI program ekata vage neme... apita nevatha nevath ipida meremin yana pevethmak (ekata thiyenne 'sasara' kiyala) thiyenawa...

    Dharmayen karanne e pevethmata hethu wan paticcasamuppadaya navathvana ekai... Ethakota kiyanwa rahath vuna kiyala (vada niverediva 'saupadisesa nibbana' - e kiyanne nivanema svabhavayak - hebei e kena jeewath venava)... Eya pirinivan pevata passe ara kriyawaliya nethi nisa upadinna be... Ara computer eka vehuvama ara AI program ekata venne mokakda?

    Pahana delvenne thel ha veti thiyenakam... Kenek eva dana eka nevethvuvama pahana viyeki gihin nivila yanawa... Hethuwa nethi nisa palaya nethi venawa!
    Ita passe pahan sila gena katha karanna be... Eka kohevath giye ne.. Eka ne!

    Nivan dekkama venneth ekai... Me kriyawaliya nevathi.. sasarin midenawa... dukin midenawa...

    Mage pilithurin vedak venna ethi kiya hithanawa... Pinwath mithura, mathaka thiya ganna api Dharmaya kiya ahana godak de veredi... ekai Nivan maga vehila thibune... parissamin thora bere gena dharmaya laba ganna... :)



    Theruwan saranai
     
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    Y2K said:
    machan me goal eka aduma gane ada 6 Billion people innnawa adu ane 1 kenek hari labaganna ona ?? but today it is almost impossible

    Pinwath mithura,

    Oya kathawa dharmaya gena adahask nethi bauddha yei kiya ganna aya nikam kiyana deyak vithrai... Eka pavichchi karanne Dharmaye nohesiri indima 'justify' karanna...

    Oba oya adahasa piligaththe vimasa balala da? Lokaye inna hemoma gena vimasala da? Ne ne.. Ekai mama kive nikam kiyana kathawak vitharai kiyala...

    Sowan vuna kene api ekka hitiyath pitin hoyanna be; eya eka godak velavata kiyanna yanneth ne; kivvath kiyanne Dharmaye hesirena thawa kenekuta vitharai... Thama sowan kiya hema thenama kiyanna yanne godak velavata sowan kiya reveti inna aya...

    Minisek vuma pamanin marga paha lebenne ne ne; Margaya pilipadinna one...
    Billion 6n kiyata da pirisidu budu dahama ahanna wath lebenne?

    Margayata ena eka amaru ne oba sithana tharam...
    Dharmaya (Buddha vachanaya) asa nuvanin vimasa balanna... nethiva nigamana valata ena eka obatamai avasidayaka...

    Theruwan saranai!
     

    kalyanamithra

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    Pinwath mithura,

    Y2K said:
    Definition:
    Some schools of Buddhism explain Nirvana as a state of bliss or peace, and this state may be experienced in life, or it may be entered into at death.

    Only the Tipitaka carries the words of Buddha. It has been carried in pure form only by what 'scolars' may term: Theravada school of Buddhism. Mahayana and Tantrayana 'accepts' addition of other things to what they follow... Threfore their path is not the one originally disclosed...

    So there's no point of getting entagled with 'schools of Buddhism'... :)
    Why should we accept anything added by others over the Teachings of Buddha? (Please remember that those behind forming Mahayana were not even Sothapanna, because Mahayana refutes ability to attain Nibbana as followers...)

    Please note that many texts written by westerners reflect a mixture of all thoughts... better not to rely on their definitions... Nibbana is defined in Dhamma in the Tipitaka...

    And it's good if we can stop and reflect a bit on what we want to achieve by being a Buddhist... :) Otherwise we will always have confused targets..
    It's a personal decision whether or not we are going to follow it...

    Y2K said:
    The word Nirvana means "to extinguish," such as extinguishing the flame of a candle. This "extinguishment" is not understood by Buddhists to mean annihilation. Rather, it is thought of as passing into another kind of existence.

    I think I've explained it in a previous post in this thread...
    Nibbana is not any kind of existence... because there's no existence free from anithya (impermanat), dukkha (prone ot suffering) and anathma (selfless) nature...

    Y2K said:
    In early forms of Buddhism, Nirvana was understood to be liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth and freedom from the effects of karma. Later, in Mahayana Buddhism, Nirvana came to be thought of as oneness with the Absolute. However, the Absolute is the union of Nirvana and Samsara.

    If we want to follow Dhamma; better decide first if we want to follow Theravada Buddhism or not... Otherwise we'd be wasting time without archiving anything...
    Phrase "early forms of Buddhism" is misleading. What you denote by that phrase is still contained in the Tipitaka; and practiced in Sri Lanka. Even Mahayana school carries the original teachings even though they highlight some Mahayana suttas most of the time...

    Y2K said:
    The various schools of Buddhism have diverse teachings about whether Nirvana can be attained before death or only after death.
    Nibbana is attained in the life (that's why Dhamma is 'sandhittika') at the point of attaining Arhathood. It's 'saupadisesa nibbana'... The person is free from Dukkha even while living (he/she undergoes physical pains; but they do not affect the mind...).

    An Arhat does not have Paticcasamuppada within him/her; therefore he/she has no ability to be born again. So at the end of the life (let's say at 'death') the existence Ends.. There's nothing left of him/her (except the dead body...)

    If hoping to follow Dhamma; first thing to do is trying to be clear on what we want to do? We have to make sure we are not deceived by Adhamma that appears as Dhamma
    Luckily it is possible to detect Adhamma to some extent because Dhamma is 'swakkatha' (well proclaimed)... :)

    Theruwan saranai!
     
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    Machan Nirvana gana danaganna asai .... me treand aka open kare ekatai ..... mata prashna kihipayak tiyanaw wisada ganna .................... Bhudist ayege aramuna wenne Niwan dakimai ...................... namuth ada niwan dakinna puluwan kiyen ki denatada ? mama kiyanne Lord Bhuddha ge Parinirwanayek passe Rahath une first 1000 years witharai .............. ada kale ochchara api utsaha karath apita Nirwanaya awaboda unath Nivan dakinn ba .............. ithin aramunak (SMART ) wiya uthu bama api kauruth dannawa enum S=Simple. M-measurable, A- Achievable, R- Realistic , T- Time Bounded yana karunu sampurana wenna una ................ machan Lord Bhuddhage Dhahama 100% hari namuth Target eka Achievable na, R-Realisticna athi vishala kalpa ganak gatha wenawa Measurable uth na ithin sahosarawaruni thawa margayak ho kihipayak aniwareyenma theyenna ona apita me sasaren egoda wenna ..... mage adahasa moda ekkak kiyala kenekuta kiyanna puluwan namuth poddak hithala balanna puluwanum eka puddalayek hari pennana sowan hari una >?>??? Nivana Tiyenne Kohoda? is it in heaven ? Lord Bhuddha kiyanne niwana kiyanne Pahanak dalwila niwi giya wage kiyala ?? Mokakda me Niwana ?

    mmmm........ sowan wechcha aya nam inna puluvan eeth egollo sowan una kiyala kiyanne naa. Marga pala laba gaththa aya godak innava...... egolloth kiyanne na egollo labagaththa kiyala........:)
     

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    katha karana vidiyata therene oya buddhist kenek nemei wage.. mokada buddhist kenek nam meka danatama dana gena:D

    niwan dakin nemei budu hamuduruwo budu wenama kalpa laksha ganak jiwath wela marila jiwath wela marila thiyanawa... niwan kiyana de ahh me ada apita one una kiyala heta ganna puluwan deyak nemei.. eka hama athme ma podda podda api karana dewal walain apita ekathu wela ena deyak..,,, lord buddha piriniwan pawata thawa budu hamudurowo enne na kiyal na ne.. ilagata katiya anith budu hamuduruwan ge kale di niwan daki...

    natham dan budu hamuduruwo na eka nisa niwan dakine na kiyala moda vidiyata hithanna epa...

    anika niwandakkama heaven yane na :no:
    mokada niwan kiyane chatholic la ge wage heven nemei.... niwan dakka kiyane again ipa denne na.. and okoma nathi wela yanawa.. kohewath yane na.. bt kohewath thiyeneth na....

    chatholics lage soul kiyala thiyanwa. bt ape ehema soul ekak na.. eyalage soul eka heven yanawa kiyanawa.. bt buddhist la ge wenne marunata pase e hemadeyak ma okoma nathi wela yanawa.. :)

    anika sowan or rahath una kiyala e aya kiya kiya yane na :no:
    ekenek sowan wela kiyala kiyanna puluwan thawath sowan una kenek ta vitahrai...
    podak dewal gana dana gena kiyanna.. eka paratama ohoma kada panina epa...:)
     

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    eka hama athme ma podda podda api karana dewal walain apita ekathu wela ena deyak
    methanadi mama hithanne ne nivana avaboda karaganna athma gaanak perum piriya yuthui kiyala nivaradi maargaya pilibanda danuma saha adishtaanaya thiyenava nam me athmayedima sapala karagatha haki deyak kiyalai mama hithanne. e vidiyata sthira adishtanayen katayuthu karoth aduma tharamin me athmayedi nethinam soothapanna veemen pasu athma baava hathak athulatha e pudgalayata nivana avaboda karaganna puluvan bavai buduhimiyan vadara atthe. (mama danna thamin ) varadi athoth nivaradi karanna

    theruvan saranai !
     
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    methanadi mama hithanne ne nivana avaboda karaganna athma gaanak perum piriya yuthui kiyala nivaradi maargaya pilibanda danuma saha adishtaanaya thiyenava nam me athmayedima sapala karagatha haki deyak kiyalai mama hithanne. e vidiyata sthira adishtanayen katayuthu karoth aduma tharamin me athmayedi nethinam soothapanna veemen pasu athma baava hathak athulatha e pudgalayata nivana avaboda karaganna puluvan bavai buduhimiyan vadara atthe. (mama danna thamin ) varadi athoth nivaradi karanna

    theruvan saranai !
    :yes: ov, nivan dakinna perum puranna one ne... one kiyala budu hamuduruwo kiyalath ne...

    paramitha one Budu venna ne... Sammasambudu kenekta thama nuvaninma me margaya hoya gana puluvan e parami balaya (e kiyanne e karapu devala punya vipaka ekathu vima) nisa ne...

    Parami puranawa kiyana eka Bauddhayan athara ochchara vilasithavak vidihata katha karanna patan gaththe passe kale mahayana matha nisa...

    Budurajanan wahanse pavasa thiyenne apata Shrawakayan (followers) whenna kiyala... Me margaya kelavaratama vadanna vayasa 7 sita marana mohotha dakva one Minisekuta puluvan...
    Assanna, Nevasanannasannayathana thathwa wala inna loka kihipayak hera siyalu divya loka vala puluvan...

    Margaye yana kota ethivana pala thamai sowan, sakadagami, anagami, arahat kiyanne...
    E kiyanne margaya vadana vita venne krama kramayen vana keles nethi vimak... Nivan dakina mohothedi nivan venuven karanna deyak ithiri nethi venava.... :)

    Apita karanna thiyenne margaya vedimai... (e kiyanne Arya Ashtangika Margayata anukulava sihiyen, nuvanin, viryayen yuthuwa sila, samadhi, panna vedena vidihata katayuthu kirimai)... Palaya lebei nisi kalata... ath nohera arambha karapu viriyenma vedima (araddha viriya) thamai vedagath :)

    Dharmaya vadanna api pera kala pin vala vipaka udhav venawa thamai.. Eth api mona pin pav karala thiyenawada; evain monawa ilangata vipaka denna thiyenawada kiyala danne ne ne...
    E hinda karanna one me athmaye ma nivan maga vedimai... Heki hema vitama pin ha kusal kirimai... :)

    Daham magata kenek peminenne Shraddhanusari vimen (enam sowan margayata pivisimen)... E kiyanne thisaranayata pemina; enam Buddha, Dhamma ha Sangha yana theruwana gena Shraddhawata ena eka..
    Ema Shraddhawa hethu ethiva ena pehedimak (handunvanne Akaravathi Shraddhawa kiyala)
    Kenek e pehedimata enne, kenek dharmaya asa, eva anuva nuvanin vimasa evaye sathayathawa dakinna patan gaththa vita...

    E margaye yana kena Sowan palayata pathvenawa, Dharmaya vimasa e gena seka nethi thenata a vita...
    Eyage Shraddhawa sthirai; eya silayath sampurna karagannawa nivan armunu karagena ma...

    Dharmaya thiyenakam marga pala labhin ethi venawa...
    Budurajanawahanse pirinivan pevada nethda kiyala prashnayak ne; mokada budu kenek pirinivan panne "buddha kruthyaya" ivara karala; budugenn pasu ape shasthru vanne e Dharmayai-Vinayai... :)

    Dharmaya kiaya Adharmayath; Vinaya kiya Avinayath piligenimata a thena thamai margaya vehenne... :(
    Eththatama mulin ma sashane nethi vanne minis loke... Divya lokavala sashane nethi venne godak passe...

    E hinda thamai merenna kalin shraddhanussari vunath kenekta vishala vasiyak vanne... E hindama thamai Devathanussathiya vage Bhavana vadanna kiyala apata kiya thiyenne... :) Margaye sthira vimata pera hadisiye merunoth pihitak lesa...

    Theruwan saranai!
     
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