Buddhist "Karma" is a a concept created to enforce the caste system?

[Emios]

Pissuwak bn me life eka.

 

[Fiona Dabare]

Pissuwak bn me life eka.

It's been said by Lord Buddha as well.
"සබ්බේ පෘථක්ජනා උන්මත්තකා"

 

[Emios]

It's been said by Lord Buddha as well.
"සබ්බේ පෘථක්ජනා උන්මත්තකා"

So now you are sowan what you gonna do rest of life?

 

[Fiona Dabare]

So now you are sowan what you gonna do rest of life?

I'm an once returner now.
I be living for the rest of my life.

 

[nidarsha91]

Been a buddhist my entire life but I can't dispute this argument with facts

මාගේ අධ්‍යයනයට අනුව:
බුද්ධ පරිසරය ඇති වෙන්නෙ, අතිශයින්ම කෘත්‍රිමව නිර්මාණය වුණු වටපිටාවක. නොසෑහෙන්නම සැප සම්පත්. ඉතින් මැදට එන්න කියනවා.
ක්‍රිස්තු පරිසරය ඇති වෙන්නෙ, අතිශයින්ම පීඩනයට ලක්ව නිර්මාණය වුණු වටපිටාවක. සැප සම්පත් අතිශයින්ම හිඟයි. ඉතින් මැදට එන්න කියනවා.

හොඳට මතක තබාගත යුතු කරුණ නම්: මේ සෑම දර්ශනයක්ම එක් එක් පුද්ගලයාට අවශ්‍ය පරිදි වෙනස් කරගෙන ඇති නිසා නිවැරදිවම පවසා ඇති දර්ශනය සොයා ගැනීම එක එකිනෙකාට ස්වයංවම කර ගැනීමට සිදුවීමයි.

කාලාම සූත්‍රය - තට්ටු කරන්නාට දොර හැරේ.​

 

[gnilukshi]

Poor people / people born "low-caste" deserve to be poor and ridiculed because they are bad (or were bad in a past life)

Rich people / people born "high-caste" deserve to be rich and venerated because they're good (or were good in a past life)

For me it is just an easy explanation people use to justify shit. It also keep people check because they fear the unknown/unproven stuff. All religions, philosophies are like this

කර්මය නිසා සේරම වෙනවා කියලා කොහෙද කියලා තියෙන්නේ?

එතකොට නිවන් දකින්න පුලුවන් පින්කරපු උන්ට විතරද?
පවු කාරයන්ට බැරිද?


රෘතු නියාම
බීජ නියාම
දම්ම නියාම
චිත්ත නියාම... ඉනට අත් දෙක තියාගෙන


හතේ පොත කියවන්න
සියල්ල කරමයෙන් සිදු නොවේ
කරමයත් වෙනස් කරන්න පුලුවන් (සමහරක්)

https://www.e-thaksalawa.moe.gov.lk/moodle/pluginfile.php/25093/mod_resource/content/1/15.pdf

 

[Emios]

කර්මය නිසා සේරම වෙනවා කියලා කොහෙද කියලා තියෙන්නේ?

එතකොට නිවන් දකින්න පුලුවන් පින්කරපු උන්ට විතරද?
පවු කාරයන්ට බැරිද?


රෘතු නියාම
බීජ නියාම
දම්ම නියාම
චිත්ත නියාම... ඉනට අත් දෙක තියාගෙන


හතේ පොත කියවන්න
සියල්ල කරමයෙන් සිදු නොවේ
කරමයත් වෙනස් කරන්න පුලුවන් (සමහරක්)

https://www.e-thaksalawa.moe.gov.lk/moodle/pluginfile.php/25093/mod_resource/content/1/15.pdf

රෘතු නියාම
බීජ නියාම
දම්ම නියාම
චිත්ත නියාම...

Mewa jainsim eketh tiyenawa.buduhamdhruwo kiyapu deyak newe man hitanne.passe dapu ewa.siyalla karmen wenne ne kivve ohoma ewa dala newe.karmaya kiyanneth view ekak kiyana meaning eken wenna one.just my idea.man dekka jainsim walath oya niyama set ekama tiyenawa

 

[gnilukshi]

https://mahamegha.lk/2017/10/30/chula-setthi-jathakaya/

චූළසෙට්ඨි ජාතකය​

“මහණෙනි, නුවණ තියෙන කෙනෙකුට හොඳ උපායශීලී බවකින් වැඩ කරන්ට පුළුවන් නම් ඉතා සුළු උපදේශයකින්, සුළු භාණ්ඩයකින් දියුණු වෙන්ට පුළුවනි. මහත් ධනයක්, යස පිරිවරක් උපදවා ගන්ට පුළුවනි. පුංචි ගිනි පුපුරකට වියළි ගොම, තණරොඩු ආදිය දමා කටින් පිඹිමින් එය මහා ගින්නක් බවට පත්කරන්නට පුළුවනි. ඒ වගේ තමයි උත්සාහයයි නුවණයි තියෙනවා නම් දියුණු වෙන්ට පුළුවනි.

ඉස්සර කාලෙ ඒ මී කුණ පෙන්නල මං කළ අවවාදය සිතට ගත්තු ඒ තරුණයා මහා ධනවතෙක් වුනා. ඒ මේ චූලපන්ථකයි. ඒ කාලෙ චූලසෙට්ඨි වෙලා සිටියේ මං නොවැ’යි මේ ජාතක කථාව නිමවා වදාළා.

*චිත්ත නියාම

 

[dilann]

පැහැදිලි කරගන්න බැරි ඒවාට හේතුවක් විදියට තමයි ඔය කර්මය කියන එක පාවිච්චි වෙන්නේ .

 

[Yin And Yang]

Bump

 

[SIC]

කෙනෙක් පෝසත් පවුලක ඉපදිලා තවත් කෙනෙක් දුප්පත් පවුලක ඉපදෙන්න කර්මය හේතුවක් වෙන්න පුලුවනි. හැබැයි ඒකෙන් අදහස් වෙන් නෑ ඒ පුද්ගලයා සදාකාලික දුප්පතෙක් කියලා. අපි ඉන්න සමාජෙම ඕනිතරම් උදාහරණ තියෙනවනෙ

කෙනෙක් පෝසත් පවුලක ඉපදිලා තවත් කෙනෙක් දුප්පත් පවුලක ඉපදෙන එක ගැන අනික් ආගම් වල මතය මොකද්ද?

 

[Bekam]

Yes feel the same, I don't know actually explanation from Lord Buddha. Anyhow recent tattayas trying to keep peoples levels / cast / rich ,.. so on with KARMA.
So they planting idea to don't struggle or don't try to change anything it's your KARMA. Something fishy on this explanation with current Tattayas

 

[Emios]

Yes feel the same, I don't know actually explanation from Lord Buddha. Anyhow recent tattayas trying to keep peoples levels / cast / rich ,.. so on with KARMA.
So they planting idea to don't struggle or don't try to change anything it's your KARMA. Something fishy on this explanation with current Tattayas

Bhagavad Gita 11.33
tasmāt tvam uttiṣṭha yaśo labhasva
jitvā śatrūn bhuṅkṣva rājyaṁ samṛddham
mayaivaite nihatāḥ pūrvam eva
nimitta-mātraṁ bhava savya-sācin

Translation:
Therefore get up and attain glory! Conquer your enemies and enjoy a prosperous kingdom. They have already been slain by Me. Be merely the instrument, O Arjuna.

Bhagavad Gita 18.61
īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
hṛd-deśe ’rjuna tiṣṭhati
bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni
yantrārūḍhāni māyayā

Translation:
The Supreme Lord dwells in the hearts of all beings, O Arjuna, and by His illusory power makes them revolve as if mounted on a machine.

Bhagavad Gita 3.33
sadṛśaṁ ceṣṭate svasyāḥ
prakṛter jñānavān api
prakṛtiṁ yānti bhūtāni
nigrahaḥ kiṁ kariṣyati

Translation:
Even a wise person acts according to their own nature. All living beings follow their nature. What can repression accomplish?

Bhagavad Gita 18.59–60
yad ahaṅkāram āśritya na yotsya iti manyase
mithyaiṣa vyavasāyas te prakṛtis tvāṁ niyokṣyati

svabhāva-jena kaunteya nibaddhaḥ svena karmaṇā
kartuṁ necchasi yan mohāt kariṣyasy avaśo ’pi tat

Translation:
If, from ego, you think "I will not fight," your resolve is in vain; your nature will compel you.
O son of Kunti, bound by your own karma born of your nature, you will act anyway—even against your will.

Bhagavad Gita 10.8
ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo
mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate
iti matvā bhajante māṁ
budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ

Translation:
I am the source of all creation. Everything proceeds from Me. Knowing this, the wise worship Me with devotion.

Bhagavad Gita 2.47
karmaṇy-evādhikāras te
mā phaleṣhu kadāchana
mā karma-phala-hetur bhūr
mā te saṅgo ’stv akarmaṇi

Translation:
You have a right to perform your prescribed duties, but not to the fruits of action.
Never consider yourself the cause of the results, and never be attached to inaction.

 

[ttj]

But this looks sounds the perfect reason for the ruling class (situwaru, kings etc) to explain why they become the ruling class in the first place back in Buddha's time

What we know as Buddhism was sent to us by an emperor called Ashoka...

 

[Bekam]

Bhagavad Gita 11.33
tasmāt tvam uttiṣṭha yaśo labhasva
jitvā śatrūn bhuṅkṣva rājyaṁ samṛddham
mayaivaite nihatāḥ pūrvam eva
nimitta-mātraṁ bhava savya-sācin

Translation:
Therefore get up and attain glory! Conquer your enemies and enjoy a prosperous kingdom. They have already been slain by Me. Be merely the instrument, O Arjuna.

Bhagavad Gita 18.61
īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
hṛd-deśe ’rjuna tiṣṭhati
bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni
yantrārūḍhāni māyayā

Translation:
The Supreme Lord dwells in the hearts of all beings, O Arjuna, and by His illusory power makes them revolve as if mounted on a machine.

Bhagavad Gita 3.33
sadṛśaṁ ceṣṭate svasyāḥ
prakṛter jñānavān api
prakṛtiṁ yānti bhūtāni
nigrahaḥ kiṁ kariṣyati

Translation:
Even a wise person acts according to their own nature. All living beings follow their nature. What can repression accomplish?

Bhagavad Gita 18.59–60
yad ahaṅkāram āśritya na yotsya iti manyase
mithyaiṣa vyavasāyas te prakṛtis tvāṁ niyokṣyati

svabhāva-jena kaunteya nibaddhaḥ svena karmaṇā
kartuṁ necchasi yan mohāt kariṣyasy avaśo ’pi tat

Translation:
If, from ego, you think "I will not fight," your resolve is in vain; your nature will compel you.
O son of Kunti, bound by your own karma born of your nature, you will act anyway—even against your will.

Bhagavad Gita 10.8
ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo
mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate
iti matvā bhajante māṁ
budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ

Translation:
I am the source of all creation. Everything proceeds from Me. Knowing this, the wise worship Me with devotion.

Bhagavad Gita 2.47
karmaṇy-evādhikāras te
mā phaleṣhu kadāchana
mā karma-phala-hetur bhūr
mā te saṅgo ’stv akarmaṇi

Translation:
You have a right to perform your prescribed duties, but not to the fruits of action.
Never consider yourself the cause of the results, and never be attached to inaction.

Ithin mokadda bottom line/explanation eka.
Society eke, corrupt / madness / un lawfull / ruthless, ewata wiruddawa fight / struggle karanda onada nattan KARMA kiyala ohe wena deyak balance wadagena inda onada?

 

[Emios]

1. The outcome is already decided.
"Therefore, rise up and win glory! Conquer your enemies and enjoy a prosperous kingdom. They have already been killed by Me. You are only an instrument."

2. God dwells in all hearts and controls them.
"The Supreme Lord lives in the hearts of all beings, O Arjuna, and makes them revolve, as if mounted on a machine, by His divine power."

3. Beings act according to their nature.
"Even the wise act according to their nature. All living beings follow their own nature. What can repression achieve?"

4. Your nature will force you to act.
"If you say, ‘I will not act,’ out of delusion — your nature will still compel you to act. You are bound by it."

5. The soul is not the real doer.
"The Self does not create actions or their results. Nature alone acts."

6. Everything proceeds from God.
"I am the origin of all things. Everything emanates from Me."

7. Nobody is free from nature.
"There is no being, whether on earth or among the gods, that is free from the three qualities of nature."

8. Material nature acts under divine supervision.
"Material nature, under My supervision, brings forth all beings — both moving and non-moving."

9. The cause of rebirth is attachment to nature.
"The soul experiences the qualities of nature and becomes bound by attachment, which leads to rebirth in good or bad circumstances."

10. The gunas alone are the doers.
"When a person sees that it is only the qualities of nature that act, and knows the Self to be beyond them, they attain liberation."

11. Even choosing is part of the divine plan.
"I have explained the most secret knowledge. Reflect on it fully — and then act as you are inclined."

12. No one can truly renounce action.
"No embodied being can give up all action completely. But one who gives up attachment to results is truly renounced."

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Ithin mokadda bottom line/explanation eka.
Society eke, corrupt / madness / un lawfull / to ruthless, ewata wiruddawa fight / struggle karanda onada nattan KARMA kiyala ohe wena deyak balance wadagena inda onada?

Action is needed but the result is in his hand(god) in other words result was never yours
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[applex]

කර්ම සකස් වීම ගැන පොඩි හරි idea එකක් ගන්න පුලුවන් උඹට, AIDA Model එකෙන්.

 

[gnilukshi]

Mewa jainsim eketh tiyenawa.buduhamdhruwo kiyapu deyak newe man hitanne.passe dapu ewa.siyalla karmen wenne ne kivve ohoma ewa dala newe.karmaya kiyanneth view ekak kiyana meaning eken wenna one.just my idea.man dekka jainsim walath oya niyama set ekama tiyenawa

ඔය සේරම කට පාඩමේ උස්සන් ආපුවා නේ
ඉතින් ඕන තරම් එහාට මෙහාට කොපි පේස්ට් වෙන්න ඇති

 

[Hyaenidae]

How? Can you explain further?
And what does "Karma" mean and how does it work?

Well right now I'm thinking "Karma" could be a concept created to enforce the caste system

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Nope. Also Siddhartha was born into a time when the caste system already existed and that was mostly because Hindu society was dominant back then. The caste system was a Hindu social structure, not a Buddhist one. The Buddha saw how harmful it was and basically said, “Nah, this ain’t it.” That’s why he let anyone join the Sangha, no matter their background.

What's the difference between Hindu and Buddhist karma systems?
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කර්මය නිසා සේරම වෙනවා කියලා කොහෙද කියලා තියෙන්නේ?

එතකොට නිවන් දකින්න පුලුවන් පින්කරපු උන්ට විතරද?
පවු කාරයන්ට බැරිද?

කරමයත් වෙනස් කරන්න පුලුවන් (සමහරක්)

So according to Buddhism, being born rich and high caste has nothing to do with Karma?
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[Emios]

No idea about karma but rahu mahadasa fkd me in the ass