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parammata and conventional things,as far as i know,buddha didn't divide reality into two like this. either some one take the world as exist or not existing due to self identitiy. not like paramatta as some ultimate thing.
not sure what u mean..
both taking world exist or does not exists are extremes.
btw,
ultimate truth is the english term for paramarta sathya
conventional truth is the english term for sammuthi sathya...
check ven.rerukane abhidhamma book for good explanation of paramarta/sammuthi sathyas
I mean there is no sutra buddha refers to it like paramatta and sammuti. in that explanation there is a danger.one take conventional truth then find out it’s atomitc state.then he found there was nothing there to begin with. These are dangerours realms of existence. The budhas orginal right view words are diluted by these later commentaries.
paramattas are not in suttas. there are in abhidhamma - dhamma sangani and vibhanga... (in particular)
can you expian the danger you mentioned. i cant get it clearly..
in vibhanga its a different explanation. Anyway it's like you take two truth.one conventional and paramatta. Both existing. You take conventional truth. Then one goes on to see the atomic construction of that conventional reality. Then later find out there was nothing exist in the first place.as a arya living on a different state of reality. I see this type of dividing as a dilution of buddhas words.
@Blair Solari et al. (ahidhamma-vibhanga prakaranaya)
this says, to enter the pratama-bhoomiya (sowan)... one cultivates jannas...
if the path to be sowan is 8-fold path, this part consists of jhana...
can you have jhanna while listening to bhana?
not vibanga sutta... vibanga prakaranaya in abhidamma..
i dont know what you say in each sentence..
what do you mean - you take conventional truth
wdm - then later find nothing esists in the first place..
ofc there is a division of how prutakjana and arya see
------ Post added on Jun 14, 2026 at 11:05 AM
i mean this type of talk is a later add on.budda didint call this right view. in vibanga prakaranaya right view is not explaining it like this.and we cant tell arya see it differently as a person sees it. this dilute the context
ඕකම අනිත් පැත්තටත් අහන්න පුලුවන් සමාපත්තියක ඉන්න ගමන් විපස්සනා කරන්න පුලුවන්ද කියලා.
(භාවනා කරන එක ගැන තර්කයක් නැහැ.. කරන්න ඕනේ..)
ස්තූතියි
කියවලා බලන්න ඕනේ.vibanga prakaranaya has paramattas.. you said buddha didnt say paratammats
what did buddha call right-view?
why would you wanna do that?
------ Post added on Jun 14, 2026 at 11:14 AM
paramattas not in that context you say. in lokottara samma ditti its dukka,dukka samudaya nirodaya etc. laukika ditti means belives karmic results action etc. not the way we describe as what we take as conventional truth and atomic state etc.
ඉන්න ගමන්ම ඕනෙ නැහැ. එලියට ආපු ගමන් විපස්සනා කරන්න ඕනේ කියලනේ ඔබතුමා කියන්නේ..
එලියට ආපු ගමන් කාමාවචර සිත් නිසා, වෙනසක් තියෙනවද ධ්යානෙකින් එලියට එන අවස්ථාවයි, නීවරණ සමථ කරන් බන අහන අවස්ථාවෙයි?
budda was talking about right concentration not meditation or any other. concentration means the samudaya and nirodaya.it's the only way to be sowan.paying attention to arrising and ceasing of the 5 senses including arrising and ceasing of me with each sense.
Katamañca, bhikkhave, sammādiṭṭhi? Yaṁ kho, bhikkhave, dukkhe ñāṇaṁ, dukkhasamudaye ñāṇaṁ, dukkhanirodhe ñāṇaṁ, dukkhanirodhagāminiyā paṭipadāya ñāṇaṁ. Ayaṁ vuccati, bhikkhave, sammādiṭṭhi
Yes, of course you can (from experience) and there can't be 8 fold path without jhanna IMHO, but of course cannot come to samaapaththi, which is expected.
