ශුන්‍යතා දහම

[ek_rosh]

i was arguing with you earlier day regarding පංචස්කන්ධ,and updanaskanda.nothing wrong with seeing the flower.the point i wanted to make is seeing the flower cannot be පංචස්කන්ධ.the way i see it

what is panchaskanda?

 

[Emios]

what is panchaskanda?

rupa Skandha etc,they are on dathu level,all we see is updanadskanda.that was my point

 

[ek_rosh]

rupa Skandha etc,they are on dathu level,all we see is updanadskanda.that was my point

what is rupa skandha?

 

[Emios]

what is rupa skandha?

nama(100htz) rupa (100hz example) getting together chakku vinayana born, again from chakku vinyana nama (eye,updanaskanda) rupa (upadana rupa,flower)

 

[ek_rosh]

nama(100htz) rupa (100hz example) getting together chakku vinayana born, again nama (updanaskanda) rupa (upadana rupa,flowe)

you mean rupa = rupa skannda?

 

[Emios]

you mean rupa = rupa skannda?

yeah in panchaksda is called rupa skanda right

 

[ek_rosh]

yeah panchaksda is called rupa skanda right

if rupa = rupa kandha?

why is it called kandha? isnt it just rupa?

 

[Emios]

if rupa = rupa kandha?

why is it called kandha? isnt it just rupa?

no,its a collection,cannot called a single entity as i know

 

[ek_rosh]

no,its a collection,cannot called a single entity as i know

what collection of rupas is called rupa skanda?

 

[Emios]

what collection of rupa is called rupa skanda?

they are on dathu level,thats all i know.the flower is in updanaskanda level because chakku vinaya is born.

 

[ek_rosh]

they are on dathu level,thats all i know.the flower is in updanaskanda level because chakku vinaya is born.

not the answer to the question....didnt ask what they are on

 

[Emios]

not the answer to the question....didnt ask what they are on

that i dont know,only know they are on dathu level getting together to create chakku vinyana.

 

[ek_rosh]

that i dont know,only know they are on dathu level getting together to create chakku vinyana.

ive heard chakkunca paticca rupam uppajati chakku vinnanam

have you ever heard chakkuncha paticca rupa skandam uppajati chakku vinnana skandam ?

 

[Emios]

ive heard chakkunca paticca rupam uppajati chakku vinnanam

have you ever heard chakkuncha paticca rupa skandam uppajati chakku vinnana skandam ?

That may be wording but, are you saying this physical eye and rupa getting together creating seeing?

 

[ek_rosh]

That may be wording but, are you saying this physical eye and rupa getting together creating seeing?

im not saying nothing. you need to understand why rupa (as skandas) not used in those rupa+chakku =chakku vinnana ... once you understood you will see the issue you say about datu level of panchaskanda...

 

[Emios]

im not saying nothing. you need to understand why rupa (as skandas) not used in those rupa+chakku =chakku vinnana ... once you understood you will see the issue you say about datu level of panchaskanda...

Yes i know the normal way it used ,but how does the physical eye got born,that quections me.

 

[Blair Solari]

why does it call patipada?

idk, pls explain

 

[ek_rosh]

Yes i know the normal way it used ,but how does the physical eye got born,that quections me.

eye = eyebase (rupa, not rupa skanda) + external rupa (not rupa skanda) + chakku vinnana...

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idk, pls explain

patipada translates to a practical method/path of training.

remember this is the 4th requirement to attain sovan
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[Emios]

eye = eyebase (rupa, not rupa skanda) + external rupa (not rupa skanda) + chakku vinnana...

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------ Post added on Jul 14, 2026 at 9:41 PM

Yes but the eyebase,are you refrering to this physical eye or something else?,how does it apply to vedana? Lets say body as the base?

 

[Blair Solari]

patipada translates to a practical method/path of training.

remember this is the 4th requirement to attain sovan

I mean, ofc we should train and must *listen to the dhamma* as well to satisfy all 4 requirements.