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chamindra

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No brother I'm not agree with you ,
In bible there are so many places that Jesus prayed to GOD , if he is the GOD, does GOD want to pray to GOD ????



Jesus came to earth as another human being (Explaination in first post) a form of God as the prophets said it would be..he prayed to his father to overcome the weaknesses of being a human being......

Also if im wrong and if your point is correct that means in other terms you're saying a GOD exists but Jesus is not GOD..

Correct me if im wrong bro....

Lets know what we;re talking about first, then we can discuss....without knowing the concept you or me are just battling out our knowledge......


Cheers mate...
 

chamindra

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Nice point:cool:

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now important point jesus said ur worshpping me ur not enter to the heaven :)

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So did you guys actually read beyond that verse or not??
 

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CONCEPT OF GOD IN CHRISTIANITY


I) Position of Jesus (pbuh) in Islam:
(i)Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).

(ii) We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).

(iii) We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

(iv) We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).

(v) We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

(iv) We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.


II) Concept of God in Christianity:
1. Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity
One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):
(i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]

2. The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law
Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
3. God Sent Jesus' (pbuh)

The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:

(i)"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."
[The Bible, John 14:24]

(ii)"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
[The Bible, John 17:3]

4. Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity

Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:

"And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]

Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).
5. Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God

The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

6. The First Commandment is that God is One

The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."

This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.
Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

III) Concept of God in Testament:
1. God is One

The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah

The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:

(i) "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]

(ii) "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

(iii) "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

3. Old Testament condemns idol worship

(i) Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]

(ii) A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:

"Thou shalt have none other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
 

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CONCEPT OF GOD IN CHRISTIANITY


I) Position of Jesus (pbuh) in Islam:
(i)Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).

(ii) We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).

(iii) We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

(iv) We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).

(v) We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

(iv) We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.

Yet do not believe his words!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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No...It shows he is GOD...
No point in discussing it here...cuz once you experience God ull know what im talking about...weather hes God or not.....if you believe u will now...

Faith sees the invisible, believes the unbelievable, and receives the impossible.

Brother you are thinking either you have belief on bible but it is your confusion...sorry to say your belief is on your scholor comments...you completly believe on what they say....brother i request you...please make you own search...what the reality is ? what we muslim asked..? are we give material from our selfmade bible..? Not brother please read your bible ..
yes we have faith but on unvisible God, Angels, Paradise, Hell etc these thing are out of sight but we have faith...but see brother bible is not unvisible...juses sign of prophet and human is not unvisible...there are clear sign which show juses as human and prophet of God..
Brother i think you ignore our comments all the time because we are muslims..brother what the benefit we will receive if you come to the reality...?
we only want that we and all of our brother come to the God's Guided Path...

believe on us.
 

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Yet do not believe his words!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

brother sorry to say you also not beleive on his words..see what Juses has said in bibles :


John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”
John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.”
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.


Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve.
Acts 3:13 “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.”
John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing.”

brother let's make beleive on Juses Words :

Matt. 27:46 “My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?”
John 1:18 “no man has seen God at any time.”

Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”


THE MEANING OF CHRIST:
From The AND Dictionary
Christ
noun

1. The Messiah whose coming is prophesied in the Old Testament.


THE MEANING OF MESSIAH

Taken from http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/Messiah

Mes·si·ah (m -s ) KEY

NOUN:
also Mes·si·as (m -s s) KEY The anticipated savior of the Jews.
also Messias Christianity Jesus.
messiah One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator.

none of the definitions means God



THE MISSION OF THE JUSES :
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord

Jhn 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

CONCLUSION :

So in conclusion we have seen that the Bible teaches that Jesus is NOT God, rather he was a prophet of God who was sent to the children of Israel with the task of bringing them back to God. All I have done is quote the Bible, I have not produced a single passage from the Quran, or quote a single hadith, yet we have still seen that the Bible and the supposed quotes of Jesus show that they fully agree with the Noble Quran!

And Allah knows best!
 
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    brother sorry to say you also not beleive on his words..see what Juses has said in bibles :


    John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”
    John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.”
    Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.


    Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve.
    Acts 3:13 “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.”
    John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing.”

    brother let's make beleive on Juses Words :

    Matt. 27:46 “My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?”
    John 1:18 “no man has seen God at any time.”

    Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”


    THE MEANING OF CHRIST:
    From The AND Dictionary
    Christ
    noun

    1. The Messiah whose coming is prophesied in the Old Testament.


    THE MEANING OF MESSIAH

    Taken from http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/Messiah

    Mes·si·ah (m -s ) KEY

    NOUN:
    also Mes·si·as (m -s s) KEY The anticipated savior of the Jews.
    also Messias Christianity Jesus.
    messiah One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator.

    none of the definitions means God



    THE MISSION OF THE JUSES :
    Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord

    Jhn 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

    CONCLUSION :

    So in conclusion we have seen that the Bible teaches that Jesus is NOT God, rather he was a prophet of God who was sent to the children of Israel with the task of bringing them back to God. All I have done is quote the Bible, I have not produced a single passage from the Quran, or quote a single hadith, yet we have still seen that the Bible and the supposed quotes of Jesus show that they fully agree with the Noble Quran!

    And Allah knows best!

    yeah Good reply more info visit http://www.bibleislam.com/
    :)
     

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    Brother you are thinking either you have belief on bible but it is your confusion...sorry to say your belief is on your scholor comments...you completly believe on what they say....brother i request you...please make you own search...what the reality is ? what we muslim asked..? are we give material from our selfmade bible..? Not brother please read your bible ..
    yes we have faith but on unvisible God, Angels, Paradise, Hell etc these thing are out of sight but we have faith...but see brother bible is not unvisible...juses sign of prophet and human is not unvisible...there are clear sign which show juses as human and prophet of God..
    Brother i think you ignore our comments all the time because we are muslims..brother what the benefit we will receive if you come to the reality...?
    we only want that we and all of our brother come to the God's Guided Path...

    believe on us.


    Listen to yourself maan...full of yourself....!!!
     

    chamindra

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    yeah Good reply more info visit http://www.bibleislam.com/
    :)


    WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I believe in his words........I believe in jesus...I belive that he died for my sins....

    The difference is you don't....You don't have to teach me my religion and you should be concentrate on your religion...

    You still didnt answer my question....

    DO YOU BELIEVE IN HIS WORDS ( as in your prophets ?? ) ????
     

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    WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You still didnt answer my question....

    DO YOU BELIEVE IN HIS WORDS ( as in your prophets ?? ) ????

    have you not seen my post in this thread Lets Believe on Juses Words...

    see it...

    anyhow it is another concept why we are muslim and why islam is only necessary to join as religion ? if you want to know i can give you a rational and authentic answer.
     

    sirajstc

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    WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I believe in his words........I believe in jesus...I belive that he died for my sins....

    The difference is you don't....You don't have to teach me my religion and you should be concentrate on your religion...

    You still didnt answer my question....

    DO YOU BELIEVE IN HIS WORDS ( as in your prophets ?? ) ????

    how do u say he dead bcuz ur sin?proof us from bible
     
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    how do u say he dead bcuz ur sin?proof us from bible

    Jesus Has Always Existed As God

    John 1:1-18 "In the beginning the Word already EXISTED. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He EXISTED in the beginning with God.”


    •Col 1:15-20 "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. HE EXISTED BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE was created and is supreme over all Creation, for through Him God created everything in the Heavenly realms and on Earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as Thrones, Kingdoms, Rulers, and Authorities in the Unseen World. Everything was created through Him and for Him. HE EXISTED BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, and He holds all creation together. Christ is also the Head of the Church, which is His body. He is the beginning, supreme over all who rise from the dead. So He is first in everything. For God in all His fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and through Him God reconciled everything to Himself. He made peace with everything in Heaven and on Earth by means of Christ’s Blood on the Cross."

    Jesus was Born in a Stable in the small Town of Bethlehem.



    Prophecy in Old Testament

    •Micah 5:2 "But you, O BETHLEHEM Ephrathah, are only a SMALL VILLAGE among all the people of Judah. YET A RULER OF ISRAEL WILL COME FROM YOU, one whose origins are from the DISTANT PAST."

    Prophecy was Fulfilled in New Testament •Luke 2:11 "The Savior—yes, the Messiah, the Lord—has been born tonight in BETHLEHEM, the City of David!"


    •Luke 2:15 "When the Angels had returned to Heaven, the Shepherds said to each other, "Come on, let's go to BETHLEHEM! Let's see this wonderful thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about." (Read all of Luke 2)

    Jesus was Born in a Stable in the small Town of Bethlehem.



    Prophecy in Old Testament

    •Micah 5:2 "But you, O BETHLEHEM Ephrathah, are only a SMALL VILLAGE among all the people of Judah. YET A RULER OF ISRAEL WILL COME FROM YOU, one whose origins are from the DISTANT PAST."

    Prophecy was Fulfilled in New Testament

    •Luke 2:11 "The Savior—yes, the Messiah, the Lord—has been born tonight in BETHLEHEM, the City of David!"


    •Luke 2:15 "When the Angels had returned to Heaven, the Shepherds said to each other, "Come on, let's go to BETHLEHEM! Let's see this wonderful thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about." (Read all of Luke 2)
     

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    Attention : sirajstc
    Jesus said this to you (people like you all those who not B'live)

    No One Can Be Saved Unless God the Father Draws a Person to Himself•John 6:44 Jesus says, “No one can come to Me UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS THEM TO ME, and at the last day I will raise them up.”


    •John 6:65 Jesus says, “That is why I said that PEOPLE CAN'T COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER GIVES THEM TO ME.”


    •Eph 2:8-9 “By Grace you have been Saved through Faith, and not of yourselves; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
     

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    Attention : sirajstc
    Jesus said this to you (people like you all those who not B'live)

    No One Can Be Saved Unless God the Father Draws a Person to Himself•John 6:44 Jesus says, “No one can come to Me UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS THEM TO ME, and at the last day I will raise them up.”


    •John 6:65 Jesus says, “That is why I said that PEOPLE CAN'T COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER GIVES THEM TO ME.”


    •Eph 2:8-9 “By Grace you have been Saved through Faith, and not of yourselves; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”