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If God created ALL, what created God?
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To all the people that thinks that God created the whole universe.
Who created Allah (God)?
One of the attributes of Allah is that He is Eternal. By definition Eternal is forever with no beginning; therefore the question is absurd. Only temporal/non-eternal beings are created. By logic, everyone agrees with the fact that there was something Eternal which gave life to this universe and its inhabitants. We believe that this Eternal is Everlasting and intelligent Being and we call Him Allah.
Not every one agree to the fact that Something eternal gave life to universe
And its not logic
Not every one agree to the fact that Something eternal gave life to universe
And its not logic
Those who don't agree they are innocent in their thought and search about universe creation and have very little and immature science knowledge and are just following ignorant philosopher if any.
“People will keep on asking question until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”
I think this is what your religoin says abotu allah
If it, is this an answer?????
I think this is what your religoin says abotu allah
If it, is this an answer?????
“People will keep on asking question until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”
I think this is what your religoin says abotu allah
If it, is this an answer?????
First things, Muslim don't have just blind faith on existence of God like opposite party in their idealogy (atheist), they have scientific proof to the extent required to clear faith but what you asked about who created God ? is not fit on the meaning of God, You first need to know the meaning and Definition of God.
Q - 1. How can any rational/intuitional proof of God argument be made based on the reality we see, when Quantum physics shows us that our intution on some things can be wrong. The universe doe snot work according to our ration, we so how can we make rational arguments about God's exitence ?
Ans - Intuition and rationality
First of all, we should understand that there's a difference between rational proof and intuitional. A rational proof, is based on logical thinking and deductions. Our intuition on the other hand is based on experiences. We constantly see things falling down to earth, so intuitionally we start understanding how gravity works. That's what it basically boils down to, predictability by experience. the sun has always come up each morning, so we assume it'll come up tomorrow as well.
Anyway, so my point is, intuition and logic are two separate things. An idea might be logical, and it might be intuitional at the same time, or it can be one of those but not the other, or it could be neither. But whether or not something is intuitive/predictable has no bearing on whether or not it is logical and vice versa.
Quantum mechanics
The reason that quantum mechanics is sometimes counter-intuitive. Is because we do not use our intuition logically. What happens is that people assume that the laws of the large scale is the same as the laws of the small scale. That is of course a baseless assumption. For example, to us humans, gravity is one of the most familiar forces we deal with in our daily live, so we have a strong intuitional feel about how it works. An amoeba on the other hand; doesn't even know gravity. To it, there is absolutely no distinction between up or down, left or right and so on. The water-tension created by the electromagnetic force of electrons in water-molecules on the other hand is a very important force for it, where as most humans are barely aware of it. So if we form our intuition by experience, it's very normal that our intuition fails in a scale where we have no experience in.
Rational working universe.
However, whether or not our intuition is right/wrong, has no bearing on whether or not the universe works in a rational, logical way. I'm not aware of anything illogical or counter-rational in the universe. Everything seems to make sense; at least that is to the extend that we understand it.
I think this is not that iced earth asked for. First of all you cannot exactly prove any thing by giving some scientific bullshit cause u'll never know that when you wake up tomorrow the theories you used would still be the same. and secondly you have to prove the theories of existance and beginning of the universe are all wrong to prove the existance of so called Almighty God.
ok...Allah is eternal,,,,,fine....by definition Eternal is forever,,,that's also fine....but brother if you talk to your brain and ask,,,"shouldn't this thing which is forever,also have a beginning???ok,it lives forever,,but it should also start at some point isn't it?????
i know hafizard,that even inside your mind,you also know that what i just said has a logic and you also accept it.....but your islamic subconscious mind doesn't let you to think about it.....
and by the way
the definition of eternal means "forever" only.....it's no where in the english dictionary that Eternal mean "forever with no beginning".....i think may be it is in the islamic definition..
here are some English definitions for "eternal" from the web,for your kind knowledge.....
Definitions of eternal on the Web:
ageless: continuing forever or indefinitely; "the ageless themes of love and revenge"; "eternal truths"; "life everlasting"; "hell's perpetual ...
endless: tiresomely long; seemingly without end; "endless debates"; "an endless conversation"; "the wait seemed eternal"; "eternal quarreling"; "an interminable sermon"
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dilankandy and suraj leave what i and you thinking just see the vedio rationaly and with no biase thought.
This vedio is actually made by a cristian boy, but as there is only the question about God so i am posting.
just watch the relative part that the topic required , not the end
This vedio is actually made by a cristian boy, but as there is only the question about God so i am posting.
just watch the relative part that the topic required , not the end
ahana prashneta vada sampuurnayenma venas baila uththarayak dena eka munge hatiyak...oya kohen hari copy paste karalai daala thiyenne...
..naththan ithin munta vena kiyanna deyak nahane meekata.....eevunaata umba monaa kivvath umbe theory eka varadii,muge theory eka hari......eehema thamai munta hithanna ugannala thiyenne.....unge aagama thamai oole thiyena ekama nivaradi aagama kiyala thamai islam wala kiyanne....why do you say not to watch the last part hmmm???
the same guy who gives the answer to the problem claims that jesus is the God and quran is not the book of God....
so you tell us not to watch the end part.........if what he said is true,,then can't what he said at this end also be true???......your answer contradicted your own religion hafizard.....what will happen to the only true religion now......?????
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How can Allah have been there since the beginning ?
If we were to say – for the sake of argument – that someone created Allaah, then they would ask you, Who created the creator of the creator? Then, who created the creator of the creator of the creator?! And so on, ad infinitum. This is irrational and impossible.
All of creation goes back to the Creator Who created all things. No one created Him; He created everything other than Himself. This is what makes sense and is logical. This creator is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted.
With regard to what our religion tells us, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us about this question, where it comes from, and how to respond to it.
Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “People will keep on asking question until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created the heaven? Who created the earth?’ He will say, ‘Allaah’” – then he mentioned something similar (to the previous report), and added, “And His Messengers.” [i.e., amantu Billaah wa Rusulihi = I believe in Allaah and His Messengers]
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created such and such?’ until he says to him, ‘Who created your Lord?’ When it reaches that stage, let him seek refuge with Allaah [say A’oodhu Billaahi min ash-shaytaan ir-rajeem = I seek refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan] and stop thinking about it.”
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to a person and say, ‘Who created such and such…’” and he narrated the whole report. (Imaam Muslim, 134).
In these ahaadeeth we see:
Where this question comes from – from the Shaytaan;
How to deal with it, which is:
to stop pursuing these thoughts and these tricks of the Shaytaan
to say, “I believe in Allaah and His Messengers”
to seek refuge with Allaah from the Shaytaan.
It was also reported that one should spit drily three times to one’s left, and recite Qul Huwa Allaahu ahad.
(See "Problems and Solutions" in the Shaykh’s Books section of this website).
3. With regard to the prior existence of Allaah, our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has told us about this, for example:
He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Allaah, You are the First and there is nothing before You; O Allaah, You are the Last and there is nothing after You.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2713)
He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah existed when there was nothing apart from Him.” According to another report: “There was nothing before Him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari; the first report 3020; the second report 6982).
This is in addition to what is stated in the aayaat of the Qur’aan. The believer believes without a doubt, the kaafir denies and the munaafiq doubts. We ask Allaah to grant us sincere and certain faith with no doubts. And Allaah is the Source of strength. [/SIZE]
If we were to say – for the sake of argument – that someone created Allaah, then they would ask you, Who created the creator of the creator? Then, who created the creator of the creator of the creator?! And so on, ad infinitum. This is irrational and impossible.
All of creation goes back to the Creator Who created all things. No one created Him; He created everything other than Himself. This is what makes sense and is logical. This creator is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted.
With regard to what our religion tells us, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us about this question, where it comes from, and how to respond to it.
Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “People will keep on asking question until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created the heaven? Who created the earth?’ He will say, ‘Allaah’” – then he mentioned something similar (to the previous report), and added, “And His Messengers.” [i.e., amantu Billaah wa Rusulihi = I believe in Allaah and His Messengers]
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created such and such?’ until he says to him, ‘Who created your Lord?’ When it reaches that stage, let him seek refuge with Allaah [say A’oodhu Billaahi min ash-shaytaan ir-rajeem = I seek refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan] and stop thinking about it.”
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to a person and say, ‘Who created such and such…’” and he narrated the whole report. (Imaam Muslim, 134).
In these ahaadeeth we see:
Where this question comes from – from the Shaytaan;
How to deal with it, which is:
to stop pursuing these thoughts and these tricks of the Shaytaan
to say, “I believe in Allaah and His Messengers”
to seek refuge with Allaah from the Shaytaan.
It was also reported that one should spit drily three times to one’s left, and recite Qul Huwa Allaahu ahad.
(See "Problems and Solutions" in the Shaykh’s Books section of this website).
3. With regard to the prior existence of Allaah, our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has told us about this, for example:
He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Allaah, You are the First and there is nothing before You; O Allaah, You are the Last and there is nothing after You.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2713)
He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah existed when there was nothing apart from Him.” According to another report: “There was nothing before Him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari; the first report 3020; the second report 6982).
This is in addition to what is stated in the aayaat of the Qur’aan. The believer believes without a doubt, the kaafir denies and the munaafiq doubts. We ask Allaah to grant us sincere and certain faith with no doubts. And Allaah is the Source of strength. [/SIZE]
ahana prashneta vada sampuurnayenma venas baila uththarayak dena eka munge hatiyak...oya kohen hari copy paste karalai daala thiyenne...
Eka thamai machan. Deviyo innawada nadda kiyala ahapu prashneta uttare denne loke arambaya gana kiyala. Loke arambhaya une kohomada kiyala ahapu prashneta Budun wahanse dunna uttare manma 10 parak withara kiyawaganna 1 thama dan bouddayek widihata karanne. Antho jata bahi jata thamai machan.
Ara video 1 poddak balapanko. Apit science thamai igena gatte. ekat lassanata gatagahala hadala thienawa.
Before everything else you have to understand the meaning of infinite. in science its used to define which is virtually imposible or doesnt exist. thats the definition of infinite. so how can you make infinite no of anything anyway????
So you depict almighty god as a an eternal & infinite being with ultimate wisdom? well if he is infinite he does not exist. and he is not made of time matter or space. and also in that video it says that something created everything or nothing created everything. but why create. cant it exist without being created.you say "no my friend everything has to be created by some how then again i ask you who created god. then you say he always existed. Then i say why cant universe always exist. then again you take time matter and space finite theory... and this bullshit will never end...
By the way have you ever heard of the particles called as tachyones which time backward through the FINITE TIME????
Believe Me, I created God! its in the holy book I prepared for god and his children. The name of the holy book is "Al BU-RAN". It must be true, since it says its true. And I am telling the truth since I say I created god and god does not deny it!And God cant deny it!
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munta pissu ban.....welaawa naasthi karagena mun ekka kathaakarana apitath pissu....
mokakdo lokuuuu bailayak copy paste karala... onna macho matanam meeka kiyavanna kiyala kiyanna epa hari???.......mokada mama dannawa ooka athule uththare nathi withthiya......umbath avurudu 1400kata kalin hitiyaanam umbath melahakata prophet kenek thamai.....ehenam kaatada aadambara....
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