If God created ALL, what created God?

[navodwickra]

Ane manda bun... menna meke summary 1k mata therunu widihata

God does not have a creater because a man cant give a birth to a child (Zakir prooves it)

No no what he says is that like the question can John give a birth to a child; who is the creator of God is not a question or a bit of a foolish question. because you cant answer it.

 

[dilankandy]

The real truth about how life form begin

The 1st Beginning of universe is one of the 10 questions unanswered because they make a mess in an ordinary mind therefore it doesnt help one to attend enlightenment or see the truth of this painful life.

Aggañña Sutta, Buddha states the existence of the universe. The Buddha, speaking to the monk Vasettha, a former Brahmin, states the following:
(please note that Vasettha thero had a much better developped mind than any of us)

"There comes a time, Vasettha, when, after the lapse of a long, long period, this world died. And when this happens, beings have mostly been reborn into the Realm of Radiance [as spiritual beigns]; and there they dwell, made of mind, feeding on rapture, self-luminous, traversing the air, continuing in glory; and thus they remain for a long, long period of time.

There comes also a time, Vasettha, when sooner or later this world begins to re-evolve. When this happens, beings who had deceased from the World of Radiance usually come to life on this world as beings of light... now at that time, all had become one world of water, dark, and of darkness that maketh blind. No moon nor sun appeared, no stars were seen, nor constellations, neither was night manifest nor day, neither months nor half-months, neither years nor seasons, neither female nor male. Beings were reckoned just as beings only. And to those beings, Vasettha, sooner or later after a long time, earth with its savours was spread out in the waters, even as a scum forms on the surface of boiled milky rice that is cooling, so did the earth appear. They feed on the rich earth so their bodies will become physical. as time pass some may look different than others by their color, gender etc....
(does sound like Evolution doesn't it)

Because the Buddha seems to present a model of cosmology wherein the universe expands and contracts over extremely long periods of time, this description has been found by some to be consistent with the expanding universe model and Big Bang. The Buddha seems to be saying here that the universe expands outward, reaches a stabilising point, and then reverts its motion back toward a central point resulting in its destruction, this process again to be repeated infinitely. Throughout this expanding and contracting process, the objects found within the universe undergo periods of development and change over a long stretch of time, according to the environment in which they find themselves. Following this passage above, the Buddha goes on to say that the "beings" he described in this paragraph become attached to an earthlike planet, get reborn there, and remain there for the duration of the life. As a consequence of this, physical characteristics change and evolutionary changes takes place. This is often interpreted as a very rough theory of evolution. Furthermore, the Aggañña Sutta presents water as pre-existent to earthlike planets, with the planet forming with water and the life moving from the water onto the earth. The Buddha does not talk about a specific earth, but about earthlike planets in general.

 

[dilankandy]

No no what he says is that like the question can John give a birth to a child; who is the creator of God is not a question or a bit of a foolish question.

In English its called escaping from the question

 

[navodwickra]

In English its called escaping from the question

yeah He didnt answer it. He said its not a question.

 

[sudunone]

i think siraj did.

 

[IcedEarth]

Thread Starter.........Read This...........!!

This is a frequently asked question, and it may be addressed in two basic ways. The most direct answer is the one supplied by the Scriptures themselves. And that will settle the issue for those who have confidence in the credibility of the sacred Book. Secondly, however, one may pursue the inquiry by means of the process of logical reasoning.
The Biblical View

The view regarding God that is set forth consistently in the Bible is this: He did not come from anywhere. No one made the Creator of the universe. He had no beginning, and will have no ending. He is the eternal, self-existing Being. The testimony of the Scriptures is this:


(1) God is “everlasting” in nature (Isa. 40:28), which is to say, he is “eternal” as to his very essence (Rom. 16:26; 1 Tim. 1:17). His existence is “from everlasting to everlasting.” Before the material creation was spoken into existence, he always was (Psa. 90:2).


(2) The Lord revealed himself to Moses as the “I AM THAT I AM” (Ex. 3:14). The “I AM” expression is related to the Hebrew name for God, Yahweh (LORD — KJV, or Jehovah — see ASV footnote). This was the most sacred name for God. The term Yahweh occurs more than 6,800 times in the Old Testament. The word is believed to be a form of the verb hayah, which signifies “to be,” ultimately meaning “the eternal One” or “self-existing One.” God’s existence is underived; no one made him. He simply always was.
Logically Speaking

The eternality of the Creator may be argued in another way as well. Consider the following logical line of argument.


(1) If there ever was a time when nothing at all existed, then there would be absolutely nothing today. It is an axiomatic truth that if nothing exists, then “nothing” will be the case -always, for nothing simply remains nothing - forever! Nothing plus nothing equals nothing. If there is absolutely nothing but nothing, there cannot ever be something. “Nothing” and “something” -applied to the same object, at the same time - are mutually exclusive terms.


(2) Since it is the case that something does now exist, one must logically conclude that something has existed always. Let us state the matter again: If nothing cannot produce something, and yet something exists, then it follows necessarily that something has existed always. The question then becomes this. What is the “something” that has been in existence always?


(3) In logic, the “law of the excluded middle” states that a thing either is, or it is not. A line either is straight, or it is not straight.


Let us apply this principle to the matter at hand. Something has existed forever. That “something” must be either material in nature, or non-material. If it can be demonstrated that the eternal “something” is not material in nature, then it must follow that the eternal “something” is non-material in nature.
Another term for the “non-material” would be “spirit.” The question now becomes — what does the available evidence reveal? Is it the case that “matter” has existed forever, or does the evidence argue that the eternal “something” is non-matter, i.e., spirit?


(4) The most reputable scientists in the world concede that “matter” is not eternal. In his book, Until the Sun Dies (New York: W.W. Norton, 1977), Dr. Robert Jastrow, founder of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and himself a professed agnostic, describes his perception of the initial creation of the universe. He speaks of that moment when “the first particles of matter appear” (21), thus, prior to that moment, matter did not exist.


Subsequently, he declares emphatically that “modern science denies an eternal existence to the Universe?” (30). There is not a particle of evidence that the universe has existed forever. The very fact that scientists attempt to assign an “age” to the universe is revealing within itself.


(5) In view of the foregoing, namely that something has always existed, and yet that “something” is not of a material nature, the student of logic is irresistibly forced to the conclusion that the “something” that is eternal is non-material — which means it must be “spirit” in its essence. The Scriptures identify that spirit Being as God. “God is spirit?” (Jn. 4:24) — an uncreated, eternal Spirit Being.


Both Scripture and logic, then, in marvelous concert, testify to the fact that God is eternal. He had no origin. He is the everlasting I AM. No one “made” him. He simply IS.

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/673-who-made-god
I can see where u got this nice article!

1st of all I will not accept the Biblical View as an answer coz I had red both kuran & Bible very well.I dont what written 1st but they both are very similar!!

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Stop arguing machan, me gollo api thread 1en pita panala kiya kiya egolloma apiwa raume geniyanawa. Direct kisi deyak kiyanne naha tharka binda watunama atharaman.

Megollonta Buddhist concepts kiyala dena 1ta wada lesi 2e panthiye podi 1ekuta Quantum physics uganwana 1a. (hith amanapa karaganna epa kaurut. i didnt insult you)

Methana thread 1e yanne WHO CREATED GOD misak who created UNIVERSE neme. Budu dahame hethu pala wadayata anuwa Hethuwak nathuwa kisima palayak hataganna. Buddhist wala saralama theory 1 eka. Ekawat Dannatuwane me gollo kata karanne...

ok bro...elaz

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Ane manda bun... menna meke summary 1k mata therunu widihata

Man - who created god?
Zakir - Can your friend john give birth to a child?
Man - Man cant give a birth to a child
Zakir - God does not have a creater...
Man - but why??
Zakir - Because a Man cant give a birth to a child

Here is the logic

God does not have a creater because a man cant give a birth to a child (Zakir prooves it)
Therefore if god does not have creater no man can give birth to a child (Logic Rebounds)
But if a MAN gave birth to a child Then god have a creater
or else
There is no Almighty God (this is Dr.zakirs theory not mine)

Well my friends read this ---

http://www.fractalenlightenment.com/2008/07/man-gave-birth-to-baby-girl.html

or this

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7795344&page=1

or this

http://www.google.lk/search?hl=en&c...e+birth+to+a+child&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Well Zakir has proved to the world that either god has a creator or Almighty god does not exist....

(Appe meka damma wage neme Mage bella kapala marana video 1kut Al jazeera wala yaida danna kawada hari . Ethakota Dilankandy neme NOBELkandy )

 

[suraj1132]

hey you moronic paki hafiz,,,,i forgot that you are a pakistani....... a well trained blind faith believer like you won't understand anything that is out of your pre programed small brain capacity.......so no wonder!!!so nothing to waste time about...........

what he have said for God is true but he is false when saying for his Books in his logic asked from him...[/FONT][/SIZE]

yeah,,when he is talking about God's creation,his "logic" is true,,,but after that his "logic" becomes false.....then after that our hafizads "logic" becomes true......nice "logic" man.....but all the people here knows the islamic "logic".....

there is no "word" for Quran used at that place. You are just telling lie again and again.

*yawn* no word????? what type of a dumb piece of ass i'm talking here with???oh!! ok,,i forgot,,you are pakistani right???then it's ok,no wonder.....(man,but don't drink camel piss every day ok??)just watch "7.01" minute onwards in this video,,but if you still didn't find "anything" which he says about quran,,,then throw your hands up in the air and jump around like a real fool...... then perhaps you will find it.........IM NOT JOKING!!!!!!

what he has said for Quran .nothing." bible only predict future" is not the proof that Quran is not the book of God.

nothing!!!!again watch from 7.01 minute and do the same thing i told before if you hear "nothing".....

"there's no book in the world,,not even islamic quran,not the book of nomen that predicts the future like the bible does.....so that prooves that the bible is the book of God"...so what logic does your brain makes out from this hafizsad???nothing????it's your pakistan islamic brain that is "nothing"....not the logic.......

hey since you are a muslim,i would like to ask this question to know your "logic":-
if A=C
B=C
then what you think A and B are???(i know this is a real hard question for you since you are using "islamic logic"....but try and keep trying....you will get the answer some day)...(tip:-don't use "islamic logic" here....then the answer will be total shit...)

Have you any thing like mind to think.

no i don't have a mind to think like you...you are the "man"(logical man).......you country is full of genius logical people like you.....and that's why your islamic republic country is getting everything nicely............

i dont like to waste my more time with you.

yeah man don't waste your time coming here posting some stupid crap and getting your self laughed by all foreign members here.....don't get your self insulted for a religion....God won't give you a shit for doing these things.....mind your own other work than coming to other country sites to spread islam and get laughed by their members....srilanka is not an islmic country....and above all you have more questions to ask from your God about your own country than any one else...........

 

[suraj1132]

Ane manda bun... menna meke summary 1k mata therunu widihata

Man - who created god?
Zakir - Can your friend john give birth to a child?
Man - Man cant give a birth to a child
Zakir - God does not have a creater...
Man - but why??
Zakir - Because a Man cant give a birth to a child

Here is the logic

God does not have a creater because a man cant give a birth to a child (Zakir prooves it)
Therefore if god does not have creater no man can give birth to a child (Logic Rebounds)
But if a MAN gave birth to a child Then god have a creater
or else
There is no Almighty God (this is Dr.zakirs theory not mine)

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the stupidest "logic" i have ever seen...... ado ape hafizsad hondaine ban muuta vada...

 

[suraj1132]

hey hafizsad,here's a nice video for you...learn from your master how to apply "logic" in islamic way

 

[hafizsaad]

hey you moronic paki hafiz,,,,i forgot that you are a pakistani....... a well trained blind faith believer like you won't understand anything that is out of your pre programed small brain capacity.......so no wonder!!!so nothing to waste time about...........
.....

yeah man don't waste your time coming here posting some stupid crap and getting your self laughed by all foreign members here.....don't get your self insulted for a religion....God won't give you a shit for doing these things.....mind your own other work than coming to other country sites to spread islam and get laughed by their members....srilanka is not an islmic country....and above all you have more questions to ask from your God about your own country than any one else...........

shurag, You are jumping here and there to show your anger. the video is open for all viewer. people themselves can decide who is saying right...
what about the Christianity and religion topic i have said much in above post and what about God Concept above post also clear the point.
you have no any other point to show your anger but involving region, country ...and showing over confidence on your intelligence...
the style of talking and behaving can show any person ethical and intelligence, Level.
i have not said that i will not post more but my meaning was i will answer your craps , you are just insisting on your own bullshit idea and telling lie.
what about country, i have seen yours country situation, and your Buddhist Country President situation...same is your situation " hit Your opposition when you set at your position and authority" Don t involve country here .it is the forum for discussing religion only.
No more comments.

 

[hafizsaad]

hey hafizsad,here's a nice video for you...learn from your master how to apply "logic" in islamic way

he has rightly said this, if you read the significance and characteristic of God from the book he had revealed to the Different Prophets, this Question will be illogical like the Question he has asked from the Questioning person.
it is for those, who have mind and want to understand.we have more logical and scientific answer and point for God existance.Can i ask for physical proof for your Buddhist rebirth concept, Can you give any Buddhist scientific logic for this...?

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

shurag, You are jumping here and there to show your anger. the video is open for all viewer. people themselves can decide who is saying right...
what about the Christianity and religion topic i have said much in above post and what about God Concept above post also clear the point.
you have no any other point to show your anger but involving region, country ...and showing over confidence on your intelligence...
the style of talking and behaving can show any person ethical and intelligence, Level.
i have not said that i will not post more but my meaning was i will answer your craps , you are just insisting on your own bullshit idea and telling lie.
what about country, i have seen yours country situation, and your Buddhist Country President situation...same is your situation " hit Your opposition when you set at your position and authority" Don t involve country here .it is the forum for discussing religion only.
No more comments.

I told you these muslims are funny! and they talk about science?? what could be more funnier than that?

 

[hafizsaad]

I told you these muslims are funny! and they talk about science?? what could be more funnier than that?

user know who is more funny, you have no words to reply rationally rather than just copy a statement in every thread..funny funny funny...
we have significant contribution to science in the history. what Buddhist have done for science, just given illogical concept of rebirth etc.:rofl:

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

user know who is more funny, you have no words to reply rationally rather than just copy a statement in every thread..funny funny funny...
we have significant contribution to science in the history. what Buddhist have done for science, just given illogical concept of rebirth etc.:rofl:

significantly contributed to terrorism..that we all agree but science??..nope I dont think so.. now just dont post a list muslim scientists. If islam contributed to science it should contributed to new theories in science, just giving a list of muslims who studied jewish-christian science under jewish and christian scientists is really stupid! what has islamic philosophy contributed to science?? GOD? ahh..sorry it was borrowed from christians ..right! I told you... you are funny ..and even you dont know it..

 

[dilankandy]

he has rightly said this, if you read the significance and characteristic of God from the book he had revealed to the Different Prophets, this Question will be illogical like the Question he has asked from the Questioning person.
it is for those, who have mind and want to understand.we have more logical and scientific answer and point for God existance.Can i ask for physical proof for your Buddhist rebirth concept, Can you give any Buddhist scientific logic for this...?

You need Physical proofs for rebirth...??? What kind of a world do you live in? Just google for it my friend.
Thats where many religions fall down. For they talk about a man only comes to this world once and die. then again they stand up on judgment day to go to eternal hell or heaven... But if he is reborn then theres a question about holy words....

IF you like we can talk this in a new thread. Because this is not the topic we are talking here....

 

[hafizsaad]

significantly contributed to terrorism..that we all agree but science??..nope I dont think so.. now just dont post a list muslim scientists. If islam contributed to science it should contributed to new theories in science, just giving a list of muslims who studied jewish-christian science under jewish and christian scientists is really stupid! what has islamic philosophy contributed to science?? GOD? ahh..sorry it was borrowed from christians ..right! I told you... you are funny ..and even you dont know it..

your words have no root.
See the links below and then talk about :

WHAT IS TAUGHT ? WHAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT ? (A PRECIOUS GIFT)


Muslim Contribution to Science (An amazing and historical detail )

Comments on Islamic Civilization by Great history writer

 

[hafizsaad]

You need Physical proofs for rebirth...??? What kind of a world do you live in? Just google for it my friend.
Thats where many religions fall down. For they talk about a man only comes to this world once and die. then again they stand up on judgment day to go to eternal hell or heaven... But if he is reborn then theres a question about holy words....

IF you like we can talk this in a new thread. Because this is not the topic we are talking here....

its mean your main concepts (rebirth) is just a bullshit.

 

[dilankandy]

its mean your main concepts (rebirth) is just a bullshit.

Thats avoiding the question my friend.. If you want to talk about rebirth Start a new thread "Is rebirth True " or something like that and there you will see how your God concept becomes bullshit in front of our buddhist philosophy. The argument here is about creator of god

You are escaping from the question. Your answer shows that either you are afraid to talk about it or your lack of knowledge in modern science...

(For your record don't combine science with Buddhism. Buddhism is like a great man and science is like a crawling child)