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screenshot of wiki of lorrent drivations is removed.
bcas smega has given the same derivation in an easier and a better way .man dapu me screen shot eka balala kattiya amaruwe watunoth kiyala meka ain kara(eka quality na). smega dipu eka maxxa,
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    Time dilation and length contraction are popular derivations in special relativity of modern physics. Thy are very easy to prove. Its difficult to type all the formula stuff, so i'll post some links you can go through. If there something u dont understated let me know, im happy to help :).

    http://www.drphysics.com/syllabus/time/time.html

    thx...

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    Time Dilation

    This is a derivation of the time dilation formula. This will be covered in detail in class, but here it is just in case it goes by too fast. Refer to Fig. 1.

    A clock is made by sending a pulse of light toward a mirror at a distance L and back to a receiver. Each "tick" is a round-trip to the mirror. The clock is shown at rest in the "Lab" frame in Fig. 1a, or any time it is in its own rest frame. Consequently, it also represents the clock at rest in rocket#1. Figure 1b is the way the clock looks in the lab when the clock is at rest in rocket#1, which is moving to the right with velocity v.
    fig1.GIF

    Actually, our clock "ticks" once every round-trip of the light pulse. So, we should use ct=2L, etc. But since both legs of the round-trip are the same, we'll just use the one-way times for simplicity.

    Some notation:

    t = time for light to reach the mirror in the lab for a clock at rest in Rocket #1 (Fig. 1b)
    t' = time for light to reach the mirror in Rocket#1 in its own rest frame (Fig. 1a)
    L = distance to mirror

    So, the times and distances are related as follows:
    L = ct'
    L2 + v2*t2 = c2*t2 (Pythagorean theorem)

    Eliminate L from the equations:
    c2*t'2 = c2*t2 - v2*t2
    t' = t*√(1-v2/c2)

    Since √(1-v2/c2)<1, the clock at rest in rocket#1 appears slow to observers in the lab.

    Go back to Fig. 1c. Rocket#2 is moving with velocity v to the left . Those clocks would also appear slow to observers in the lab. But, it is also the way a clock at rest in the lab appears in rocket#1. So, lab clocks also appear slow to observers in the lab. Relativity is symmetrical!
     
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    Lorentz Contraction

    This is a derivation of the Lorentz-contraction formula. We will go over the ideas in class, but the algebra is a bit gruesome. So, I'm putting that part here. Refer to Fig. 2.

    As with the time dilation example, imagine a pulse of light reflects from a mirror back to a receiver. Light will be the "yardstick" used to measure the length of an object in the lab and rocket frames.

    fig2.GIF


    Some notation:

    L' = length of stick in the "rocket"
    L = length of stick in the "lab"
    t1 = travel time of light pulse to the end of the stick (lab)
    t2 = travel time of light pulse back from the end of the stick (lab)
    t = t1+t2 = total travel time in the lab
    t' = total travel time in the rocket
    v = speed of rocket in the lab frame

    In the lab:
    L + v*t1 = c*t1
    L - v*t2 = c*t2
    t = t1 + t2 = (2L/c)/(1-v2/c2)

    In the rocket:
    2L' = c*t'
    t' = 2L'/c

    We know from the time dilation formula that
    t' = t*√(1-v2/c2)

    So,
    2L'/c = (2L/c)/√(1-v2/c2)
    L' = L/√(1-v2/c2)
    L = L'*√(1-v2/c2)

    The stick appears shorter in the lab frame since √(1-v2/c2)<1.
     

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    Albert Einstein - සාපේක්ෂාතා වාදයේ පියා...

    Very informative thread. Innovative thinking and I appreciate that!

    Keep it up!
     
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    I never hesitant to appreciate (add rep+) good post(s) and informative stuff in EK, without expecting return as same.

    I will be per sure, to whom I haven't given yet. And I will do so to others after rep spreading to our quality members in EK.

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    mahchanla smega dipu link eka(heshi screen shot dala thiyenne) eka maxxa. eka harima saralai. eken man kalin dapu samikarana derive karan hati pravega trikonayakin etha saralawa wisthara kerenawa. eka nisa man kalin dapu screen shot eka ain karanawa. eke tiyena widiyata prove karanana giyoth kattiyata amaru wenawa(specialy bio kala ayata). one unoth aye passe dannam.

    smega resource eke noterena one deyak magen ahanna man kiyala dennam. smegath kiyala dei.
    time dialation nan tag gala meter una.contraction eka terum ganna eta wada tikak wela giya.Thank you somuch. this post of smega is the best thing i saw here until now. really useful. (sirawatama man hitan hitiye einstain sara gamak denna athi kiyala meka hoya ganna. eth dan baladdi harima lesei wage. essarahata discuss karaddi amaru weida dan na habai :) )
     
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    Oh machn Earth eke sampurna avakashaya ain kaloth..E kiyanne paramanuwak athule thiyena blank space eka pawa(E kiyanne nucleus ekathu kalama) earth eke real size eka foot ball ekak tharam wenawa.Eke gravity eka godak wadi..Kisima deyak eka matha pawathin na..Mama hithana widiyata Black hole ekath e wage deyak..Meke skandaya earth ekata similar unata radius eka godak adui..So gravity eka godak wadi.E gravity ekata alokaye foton pawa adala gannawa.E kiyanne meke wiyoga pravegaya Alokaye pravegayatath wada wadi..Eke samahara dewal danata thiyena dewal walin explain karanna balu..:)

    black hole1kata tharuwak adena heti


    elicid kiwwane wiyoga prawega scene ekak . ecene eka aththa kiyala matath hitenawa.bcas math paper ekaka kiyewwa itha kuda anshu jathiyak kalu kuhara walin pita wenwalu. ewata ekama mohathe sthana kipyaka inna puluwan kiyalath thibba.and e anshu walata skanadayak thiyenawada nadda kiyala nishchitha nahalu.ewa catch karanna USA wala dapu satellite anntana wala ehema photosuth eke dala thibba. anyway ehema sthana kipayaka ekawara pihitanawa penna nan aniwaryenma alokaye wegeta wada ehala yanna ona. eka nisa balackhole ekaka wiyoga prawegaya(gravity eken midenna wasthuwakata laba diya uthu pravegaya) c walata wada wadi unath, yam kisi niyatha agayak trhiyenawa. and c ikmawa yana wasthuth thiyenawa.eka nisa einstainta hoya ganna bari unu dewal issarahidi wena aya hoya ganei. edata api newton kiwwa ewa micro level ekatai c velocity ekata lan wenakota adala na kiyala uwa chater karana widiyatama issarata einstainuth chater wei kiyala mata hoda sure ekak thiye.

    btw clip eke pennanne black hole eka gini gaththa alokaya vihiduwana wasthuwak widiyata. eka ehemada kiyala mata sakai. clip eke kaha patin dala thiyenne apita penenna bawa aththa. but eka gini gannawada kiyana eka gana man nan dan na
     
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    mahchanla smega dipu link eka(heshi screen shot dala thiyenne) eka maxxa. eka harima saralai. eken man kalin dapu samikarana derive karan hati pravega trikonayakin etha saralawa wisthara kerenawa. eka nisa man kalin dapu screen shot eka ain karanawa. eke tiyena widiyata prove karanana giyoth kattiyata amaru wenawa(specialy bio kala ayata). one unoth aye passe dannam.

    smega resource eke noterena one deyak magen ahanna man kiyala dennam. smegath kiyala dei.
    time dialation nan tag gala meter una.contraction eka terum ganna eta wada tikak wela giya.Thank you somuch. this post of smega is the best thing i saw here until now. really useful. (sirawatama man hitan hitiye einstain sara gamak denna athi kiyala meka hoya ganna. eth dan baladdi harima lesei wage. essarahata discuss karaddi amaru weida dan na habai :) )

    The one you removed is the summery. Actually thats the one you guys need to know. Basically dealing with that matrix. for example length contraction can be derived in two lines, using that matrix.

    78195e8f63116bf11b2bbef574fbcc25.png
    x(dash,1) = gamma.(x1 - vt), similar is true for x2. So get the difference (which is the length)

    x(dash,1) - x(dash,2) = gamma(x1 - x2), (because vt cancels) thats length contractions. So simple :)
     
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    elicid kiwwane wiyoga prawega scene ekak . ecene eka aththa kiyala matath hitenawa.bcas math paper ekaka kiyewwa itha kuda anshu jathiyak kalu kuhara walin pita wenwalu. ewata ekama mohathe sthana kipyaka inna puluwan kiyalath thibba.and e anshu walata skanadayak thiyenawada nadda kiyala nishchitha nahalu.

    :lol::lol: Thats the definitions of tachyons bro... mata thiyena lokuma prashneth ewa thama.

    Bradyons are particles which travels slower than light. Newtonian physics can be applied to them for lover velocities.
    energy of bradyon is given by this formula
    energy-momentum relation
    f64305a1fc9aa1a6fd7108da146fcdc8.png

    p is the relativistic momentum of the bradyon and m is its rest mass still holds

    24090a520815f2d76b2be996acc6c9e2.png



    Tachyons are particles which travels faster than light. Hence traveling backward through time. So they can appear 2 or more places at universe because they are faster than light and travels backwards...

    but as you can see when v>c equation becomes in my words a Bullshit

    So imagine that the particles which can travel faster than light have complex mass (Define m = i*z (where ixi = − 1))

    then

    edbff932f363f07da0f6026999cc0047.png


    then energy equation

    60ebb3e1880eb1d509369c7050bc0d6b.png


    then scientists simply avoid the fact WHAT IS IMAGINARY COMPLEX MASS ?
    is it matter or anti-matter?

    These were taken from WIKIPEDIA brothers feel free to visit. and dont label me as a copy paste guy all i have done here is that i made it little bit simple to understand here. You know the language in wiki...:):)


    PS-
    energy-momentum relation

    For a body in its rest frame, the momentum is zero, so the equation simplifies to
    e969b5db6789e29145ea09a3d1339110.png

    If the object is massless then the energy momentum relation reduces to
    b10952e49cadc6aa7e9d25f079645f6f.png

    In special relativity, the energy-momentum relation is a relation between the energy, momentum and the mass of a body:
    5d994dc6c8e5b2e5b8d63802278fd374.png

    where c is the speed of light, E is total energy, m is invariant mass, and p is momentum.
     

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    නිවුන් විරුද්ධභාෂය කියන්නේ මොකක්ද මචංස්ස්ස්ස්....
    ithin bunz meka ara video 1enuth pahadili wenawane...
    meka godak ayata auldo????


    twin paradox kiyanne experimenet ekak special relativity walata ana time dilation n length contraction phenomena sambanda.
    twinla dennek innawa. ekkenek wishwaya haraha yanawa c (speed of light) walin. anik ekkena earth eke nikan ennawa.dennama denna diha balan inne. einstainge speical relativity theorem walata anuwa time dilation n length contraction wenna one c speed eken giya kenage. but denna diha denna bala indeddi dennatama penne anith ekkena c walin yanawa kiyala. ethakota prashnayak enawa each twinta danenawa kiyala anith twinge dilaton n contraction wenawa kiyala. so meka paradox ekak wage. enisa tama mekata paradox kiyala passe kiyanna aththe
    meka gana kattiya clocks , diagrams use karala opinions ediripath karala thiye.
    mata hithena widiyata oka thama scene eka. kawru hari meka thawa clarify karanna. eta passe we can go through further discussion on this

    (smega ge resource eka gana katawath prashna nadda? somtimes bio karapau ayata therun nattam ahanna.)
     
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    twin paradox kiyanne experimenet ekak special relativity walata ana time dilation n length contraction phenomena sambanda.
    twinla dennek innawa. ekkenek wishwaya haraha yanawa c (speed of light) walin. anik ekkena earth eke nikan ennawa.dennama denna diha balan inne. einstainge speical relativity theorem walata anuwa time dilation n length contraction wenna one c speed eken giya kenage. but denna diha denna bala indeddi dennatama penne anith ekkena c walin yanawa kiyala. ethakota prashnayak enawa each twinta danenawa kiyala anith twinge dilaton n contraction wenawa kiyala. so meka paradox ekak wage. enisa tama mekata paradox kiyala passe kiyanna aththe
    meka gana kattiya clocks , diagrams use karala opinions ediripath karala thiye.
    mata hithena widiyata oka thama scene eka. kawru hari meka thawa clarify karanna. eta passe we can go through further discussion on this

    (smega ge resource eka gana katawath prashna nadda? somtimes bio karapau ayata therun nattam ahanna.)

    Thats true. Meka watahaganna oninam mulinma mathaka thiyaganna oni kalaya sapekshai kiyala. Mokatada kalaya sapeksha wenne? Me welawe Kalaya sapeksha wenne C walata

    Thanethakota paradox ekak kiyala kiyanne mokakda? Saralawa hithuwoth mehemai. Api Hithamu Twins la 2k innawa kiyala.(Not those twins. Meka science walata adala naha) Twins lage physical penuma Ekinekage Dharpana prathibimbaya wage kiyala hithanna. 1 kiyanne twinla 2 a A ha B nam A ge dharpana prathibimbaya B. E keewe A ge konde curl wenne wamata nam B ge curl wenne dakunata. A ta huru wam atha nam B ta huru dakunau atha. Anna ewage twinla 2k gana hithanna...
    Edenna Sarwa samanaida Sarwa wenasda kiyala Kiyanna puluwanda? Sarwa samanath wenawa Sarwa wenasuth wenawa.... Anna ewage pissu machchan wela handa mole wena seen walata thama paradox kiyanne

    dan ayet love hart ge post 1 kiyawanna...
    (Issarahata thawa me wage paradox enawa, "grand father paradox" ehema)
     
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    ekinekata hathpasin wirudda therum 2k ekama mohathe arthakathanaya wenawa nan mokak hari deyakin ekata paradox kiyala kiyanawa.
     

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    twin paradox kiyanne experimenet ekak special relativity walata ana time dilation n length contraction phenomena sambanda.
    twinla dennek innawa. ekkenek wishwaya haraha yanawa c (speed of light) walin. anik ekkena earth eke nikan ennawa.dennama denna diha balan inne. einstainge speical relativity theorem walata anuwa time dilation n length contraction wenna one c speed eken giya kenage. but denna diha denna bala indeddi dennatama penne anith ekkena c walin yanawa kiyala. ethakota prashnayak enawa each twinta danenawa kiyala anith twinge dilaton n contraction wenawa kiyala. so meka paradox ekak wage. enisa tama mekata paradox kiyala passe kiyanna aththe
    meka gana kattiya clocks , diagrams use karala opinions ediripath karala thiye.
    mata hithena widiyata oka thama scene eka. kawru hari meka thawa clarify karanna. eta passe we can go through further discussion on this

    (smega ge resource eka gana katawath prashna nadda? somtimes bio karapau ayata therun nattam ahanna.)

    Thats true. Meka watahaganna oninam mulinma mathaka thiyaganna oni kalaya sapekshai kiyala. Mokatada kalaya sapeksha wenne? Me welawe Kalaya sapeksha wenne C walata

    Thanethakota paradox ekak kiyala kiyanne mokakda? Saralawa hithuwoth mehemai. Api Hithamu Twins la 2k innawa kiyala.(Not those twins. Meka science walata adala naha) Twins lage physical penuma Ekinekage Dharpana prathibimbaya wage kiyala hithanna. 1 kiyanne twinla 2 a A ha B nam A ge dharpana prathibimbaya B. E keewe A ge konde curl wenne wamata nam B ge curl wenne dakunata. A ta huru wam atha nam B ta huru dakunau atha. Anna ewage twinla 2k gana hithanna...
    Edenna Sarwa samanaida Sarwa wenasda kiyala Kiyanna puluwanda? Sarwa samanath wenawa Sarwa wenasuth wenawa.... Anna ewage pissu machchan wela handa mole wena seen walata thama paradox kiyanne

    dan ayet love hart ge post 1 kiyawanna...
    (Issarahata thawa me wage paradox enawa, "grand father paradox" ehema)


    thanks bros answer kalata.
    tharamak durata theruna:yes: 100% therune ne..:no:

    thanks for answering bro:D
    jayawewa:D