If God created ALL, what created God?

[hafizsaad]

Thats avoiding the question my friend..
You are escaping from the question. Your answer shows that either you are afraid to talk about it or your lack of knowledge in modern science...

(For your record don't combine science with Buddhism. Buddhism is like a great man and science is like a crawling child)

i have highlight your comments. you saying i have lack of knowledge of science and then convinced budhism has no contact with science.
science is crawling child....you can says this blindly as this is your religion.if you talk about science, here no idealism will be accepted..
your reply show your condition of confusing.
actually you have escaped from my rebirth question.

 

[dilankandy]

i have highlight your comments. you saying i have lack of knowledge of science and then convinced budhism has no contact with science.
science is crawling child....you can says this blindly as this is your religion.if you talk about science, here no idealism will be accepted..
your reply show your condition of confusing.
actually you have escaped from my rebirth question.

No huffiz you are wrong again.. you know that science is changing it self everyday. As an example Newtonian physics are wrong according to quantum physics. But Buddhism never change. Even the upcoming lord maithree Buddha will preach the same buddhism. of cource In science there are some theories that is true to the word and never change. In medicine you will find many theories like that. I only said that Buddhism is much more superior than even tha latest modern science...

If you want to know about rebirth Start a new thread and i will gladely answer your question as i have kept telling you that in this thread we buddhists have prove that god does not exist and this thread is not about questioning the concepts of buddhism!!

And by the way That muslim scientists list you provided proves that the destruction of Islamic concepts were started by your own people.. Science does not accept the existence of god (maybe you dont know that) I cant wait to see what ahmed would tell about it...

 

[hafizsaad]

No huffiz you are wrong again.. you know that science is changing it self everyday. As an example Newtonian physics are wrong according to quantum physics. But Buddhism never change. Even the upcoming lord maithree Buddha will preach the same buddhism. of cource In science there are some theories that is true to the word and never change. In medicine you will find many theories like that. I only said that Buddhism is much more superior than even tha latest modern science...

ha ha ha.
you are actually showing your ignorance and blind idealism for budhism in opposition of science. May be it is because your neither concept supportedd by Science. you are just brainwashed and insisted to follow dogma. You are taught from birth, Dont test budhism with mind and science as it can kick the dogma.More Now your lord maithree will not come, forget him,

If you want to know about rebirth Start a new thread and i will gladely answer your question as i have kept telling you that in this thread we buddhists have prove that god does not exist[/B][/U][/SIZE] and this thread is not about questioning the concepts of buddhism!!

you are insisting to open new thread again and again by saying this thread is not for this, review you all post in the thread, your 70% are not match with this thread, i know what proof you will give me for your rebirth concept that will be same like what you have said about science. i have asked your other brother for this, and no one can give any rational point...and they have accepted we have no logical or scientific proof for this.se the below thread.
http://elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334085&page=3
where You have prove Non existance of God ....You have prove budhism dont require to test and match with science . Keep on following blindly...
actually we have prove here in the thread the Existance of God. you can review the whole thread.

And by the way That muslim scientists list you provided proves that the destruction of Islamic concepts were started by your own people.. Science does not accept the existence of god (maybe you dont know that) I cant wait to see what ahmed would tell about it...

just illogical and crazy comments, why you not try to read your post before submiting.Budhish science does't accept otherwise scientific knowledge dont contradict with our religion actually it support our faith more.

firstly we muslims are not appealing to God due to some gap in our scientific knowledge, rather we are appealing to God due to what the best of scientific knowledge today tells us. The best of scientific knowledge today tells us that space and time began to exist. Sound logic according to the kalam cosmological argument states that there must be a cause for this and that this cause must be supernatural.

Secondly, we don't only appeal to science to prove the existence of God, but to logic as well such as the argument from free agency and argument from morality. These are arguments not touched upon by science, thus future scientific discoveries can't do anything to these arguments.

Thirdly, we have to make our decisions today based on what evidence we already have and not what we might have. That is too risky. It is foolish to say "I am going to make my decision based upon what we might possibly discover in the future".

Fourthly, the trend in science is actually in the theist's favor and not the atheists. With more and more discoveries like the big bang and complex matters of life, the theist has had his faith strengthened in the existence of God. So it is easier to believe that the trend would continue this way, rather than take a radical turn.
you can see my thread on evolution and big bang.
ex - is only a mis leaded and confused racist and always try to mislead other also, even through different fake Girls login. we dont care of his comments.

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

ha ha ha. you are just showing your ignorance and idealism for budhism in opposition of science. May be it is because your neither concept supportedd by Science. you are just brainwashed and insisted to follow dogma. You are taught from birth, Dont test budhism with mind and science as it can kick the dogma.More Now your lord maithree will not come, forget him,

Hey have you even got through junior high? You dont even have a right to speak about science when you deny evolution, and bby that you deny medicine, molecular biology, cell biology ??? get lost Joker!

 

[dilankandy]

ha ha ha. you are just showing your ignorance and idealism for budhism in opposition of science. May be it is because your neither concept supportedd by Science. you are just brainwashed and insisted to follow dogma. You are taught from birth, Dont test budhism with mind and science as it can kick the dogma.More Now your lord maithree will not come, forget him,

Well whole world know who are the so called brainwashed people. So im a not going to talk about that.
Buddhism is a religion about MIND. Your words only prove us you have no knowledge in buddhism at all. Please visit the thread about KALAMA sutra to learn about how we test our buddhism. The only religions which will be kicked are Almighty god based religions if you look scientifically. Im asking you to start a thread about Rebirth because you are the one who has questions about it. not me.

In fact Buddhism is the only religion which allowed its followers to test its reality. In your and cristian books if you question the GOD's word it says the questioner will simply go to hell!

There are thousands of modern practical proofs about rebirth. and there are "O" modern practical proofs about Existence of god. And if you dont accept those proofs in PRACTICAL world then it shows us your knowledge

Remember SCIENCE hasnt proved that anything in buddhism is Wrong. but it has proved again and again the non existence of god..

i have asked your other brother for this, and no one can give any rational point...and they have accepted we have no logical or scientific proof for this.

This is simply escaping from the question isnt it? The argument is between us. How can you say that there arent any scientific or logical proofs about Buddhism.

Science is not just about theories. There are two parts of science. Theoretical science and practical science. No one has theoretically prove the existence of ATOMS. but it has proved by practical chemical science. (i dont know you would believe that there are things called atoms. and every material things are made of combining of them. And you are the one who said father of CHEMISTRY is a Muslim)

My point is you cant say anything is wrong just by theories. you have to prove it by practicals too. REBIRTH HAS BEEN PROVED BY PRACTICAL SCIENCE
If you want to prove the existence of god practically so please you are more than welcome to do it

Budhish science does't accept otherwise creation on the earth and the whole universe complexity is one of the symbol for knowing eternal God, but this require non bias and mature scientific knowledge and search

This has been answered very well on this thread. I have already posted what lord buddha said in Agganna sutra about how life begin on a planet & evolution process.

( I dont think you accept evolution either. It is scientifically proved very well. And if your non bias and mature scientific mind accept the existence of god then you have to accept the evolution. if you accept evolution process about how humans evolved) then you are stuck within two opposite theories.
you have two options either GOD doesnt exist or Evolution is wrong. Decision is yours)

 

[dilankandy]

Hey have you even got through junior high? You dont even have a right to speak about science when you deny evolution, and bby that you deny medicine, molecular biology, cell biology ??? get lost Joker!

I do agree. He accept science about big bang theory and other things. then he does not agree when it comes to evolution.I dont know weather he knows that The big bang theory is being questioned now and scientists dont approve it anymore...

And clearly GOD does not speak of a big bang. If they say they accept big bang i wonder what was that thing banged at the first place if there wasn't anything but God at the beginning....

 

[hafizsaad]

I do agree. He accept science about big bang theory and other things. then he does not agree when it comes to evolution.I dont know weather he knows that The big bang theory is being questioned now and scientists dont approve it anymore...

And clearly GOD does not speak of a big bang. If they say they accept big bang i wonder what was that thing banged at the first place if there wasn't anything but God at the beginning....

what about the point you arise in the posts all above, i have answered again and again and also in my last posts. what about rebirth, i have received answer from your mate budhish about this concept, in the link i have also given in my last post search that.what you will give physical proof also were posted by a ex-budhish, see his thread in the link below and also read the comments of brother Mononoke.

Reincarnation-Are these irrefutable evidence ??

what about evolution and big bang. we dont take them as a solution and answer for question of how and who has created the whole complex universe and all the creation on it.but we says these theories also finally divert to our Concept of creation of universe and all other things on it. You can see our viewpoint about these two theories in my following thread.

What & Why Evolution ? (A Serious and more scientific way to Know)

"Big Bang Theory" or "Big Crunch Theory" (A detail for rational searcher)

dilankandy Friend,

i think there is no more need to comment on the topic please stop to comment more here.i will not comment more.
thanks for comments.

 

[suraj1132]

shurag, You are jumping here and there to show your anger. the video is open for all viewer. people themselves can decide who is saying right...
what about the Christianity and religion topic i have said much in above post and what about God Concept above post also clear the point.
you have no any other point to show your anger but involving region, country ...and showing over confidence on your intelligence...
the style of talking and behaving can show any person ethical and intelligence, Level.
i have not said that i will not post more but my meaning was i will answer your craps , you are just insisting on your own bullshit idea and telling lie.
what about country, i have seen yours country situation, and your Buddhist Country President situation...same is your situation " hit Your opposition when you set at your position and authority" Don t involve country here .it is the forum for discussing religion only.
No more comments.

hey paki hafiz,,what makes you think that i'm getting angry??i don't get angry...instead i only laughed at your lame "logics".....and why should i get angry with a random jihad guy who's not even a srilankan.....

and by the way,,which point is clear now????? i don't see any point been cleared or answered logically...instead i only saw some catholic guy trying to say that god is eternal and has no beginning by saying "time,place and person can not be eternal",,,and some Mullah guy called naik talking about child birth which had no relevancy what so ever for the question asked......may be those type of stupid answers make it "clear" to the blind faithers like yourself who are made stupid by the religion itself,but it didn't make anything clear for any other nutral person here in this forum.....but just in case,if you are saying that your video gives the answer for the question,,then all the srilankans in this elakiri forum should be stupid except for a random jobless pakistani who goes to other foreign forums to spread islam .........now you decide yourself who is logical and who is illogical.....(but i won't be surprised if you choose the first one,because as i would always say,that's called "being a muslim")

and,i'm not a "muslim" to compare two things and tell that my one is the best.....so i was not talking about pakistan in that sense.....but anybody can see how it's going..it's in the top of world news everyday for some violence....even though it's like that,,i have no intension of talking about those.....but all i meant to say was that,,being a so called islamic country where majority of muslims live,,,your Allah,"the most powerful",whom you do anything for,doesn't do anything to make pakistan a better place.....he only makes it worse.....on the other hand,he make non-islamic countries like america,australia,ect,rich.......what do you think about this???...(one muslim told me that it's because Allah gives everything to the non-believers in this life but he will punish them in the next life.....and he will give less to the believers in this life but will be rewarded in the after life...... it's just like a childish theory put to satisfy the minds of the believers...in srilankan language we call it "seeni bola logic" )

 

[dilankandy]

No matter how people argue or give their proofs about religion hardly the contender change their belief....
Through out these threads about religions i saw that the conversation ends somewhere far far away from the topic....
Even though there are enough true facts to accept or decline the belief, doing so is never done....
When a debater comes up with a point where he cant answer he just slips away the topic....
No matter how we argue neither of us will change our religion....

I have a message for my fellow Buddhist friends

Thriwidha rathnaya sarana gos,
Pansil pada araksha karanna,
Dinaya awasanaye thamun raku seelaya gana prasadayata pathwenna,
Shraddawa ha Prachawa diyunu karagannemata thath karanna,
Anyagamikayin kethek budu dahamata niga kalada dwesha sahagatha sithak athi kara noganna, mak nisada owunge aramuna eya bawini,
obe sitha araksha karaganna, pawitu akusal sithuwili athiweemata ida nodenna,
Budurajanan wahansege kalaye patan Mara Balawegaya katayuthu kale budahama nasa damemmatai, Ada kalaya gana kawara kathada?
Me andamin katayuthu karanna.... Eyai Baudda Charyawa.....

 

[suraj1132]

ok hafizsad brother,enough of wasting my time with a "believer".....i know that the people who can justify a disgusting act like a 53 year old man sleeping with a 9 year old little girl,can simply justify and prove "anything" else also as correct....no wonder you are been called a "believer"..... so what's the point in having a discussion with such people.......

anyway,i suggest you spend more time praying to your God,asking him to make your islamic republic country a little better and a peaceful country to live,,,rather than coming to foreign forums and compare their religion with yours and getting your own belief questioned and badly insulted.....i'm sure Allah wouldn't like that....this is for your own sake......

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Hey have you even got through junior high? You dont even have a right to speak about science when you deny evolution, and bby that you deny medicine, molecular biology, cell biology ??? get lost Joker!

ooh..

here comes the truth

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

To all the people that thinks that God created the whole universe.

The answer is simple. If god created the universe, he created time as well. So there was no 'time' before creation of the universe. In fact 'before creation of universe' is a meaningless idea. Therefore, 'creation of god' is an even meaningless idea. Those who quote western science against god should know that the same argument is used in western science about the origin of universe. Christianity and Islam says universe was created by god. Western science says universe was CREATED by itself, so that it has a beginning, but there is not something like 'before the origin of the universe'.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

The answer is simple. If god created the universe, he created time as well. So there was no 'time' before creation of the universe. In fact 'before creation of universe' is a meaningless idea. Therefore, 'creation of god' is an even meaningless idea. Those who quote western science against god should know that the same argument is used in western science about the origin of universe. Christianity and Islam says universe was created by god. Western science says universe was CREATED by itself, so that it has a beginning, but there is not something like 'before the origin of the universe'.

"කාලය","අවකාශය" ගැන කිසිවක් දේවවාදී ආගමක කියවෙන්නේ නැත. කිසිදු දේවවාදී ආගමික ග්‍රන්ථයක කාලය ගැන සදහන් නෙවේ.

creation of universe (දෙවියන් විසින් හෝ විද්‍යාවේ සදහන් වෙන ලෙස) කියන්නේ ක්‍රියාවලියක්, ක්‍රියාවලියක් සිදුවෙන්නේ කාලය තුල. කාලයක් නොමැතිව ක්‍රියාවලියක් සිදුවෙන් නෑ. කාලය කියා දෙයක් නොතිබුනේ නම් විශ්වයේ ආරම්භයක්ද නැත. එවිට විශ්වයක් ද නැත.

PS: Western science doesn't say "universe is created it self"

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

"කාලය","අවකාශය" ගැන කිසිවක් දේවවාදී ආගමක කියවෙන්නේ නැත. කිසිදු දේවවාදී ආගමික ග්‍රන්ථයක කාලය ගැන සදහන් නෙවේ.

creation of universe (දෙවියන් විසින් හෝ විද්‍යාවේ සදහන් වෙන ලෙස) කියන්නේ ක්‍රියාවලියක්, ක්‍රියාවලියක් සිදුවෙන්නේ කාලය තුල. කාලයක් නොමැතිව ක්‍රියාවලියක් සිදුවෙන් නෑ. කාලය කියා දෙයක් නොතිබුනේ නම් විශ්වයේ ආරම්භයක්ද නැත. එවිට විශ්වයක් ද නැත.

In Christianity Judaism and Islam god is an ABSTRACT concept. Therefore he need not necessarily work in a timescale. How do you know that that every action takes time? Please tell me .

PS: Western science doesn't say "universe is created it self"

If you don't know, go and read the very basics of cosmology.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

If you don't know, go and read the very basics of cosmology.

There was a period that science said what you said,
but now the things have changed, new information are revealed etc. Thus, old hypothesis have become corny.

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

There was a period that science said what you said,
but now the things have changed, new information are revealed etc. Thus, old hypothesis have become corny.

You should not blabber about things you don't know. (If big band theory is not accepted now, please tell me what the new theory is ).
'The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the initial conditions and subsequent development of the Universe that is supported by the most comprehensive and accurate explanations from current scientific evidence and observation.'
- from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

 

[ela_eluwa120]

You should not blabber about things you don't know. (If big band theory is not accepted now, please tell me what the new theory is ).
'The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the initial conditions and subsequent development of the Universe that is supported by the most comprehensive and accurate explanations from current scientific evidence and observation.'
- from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

I have already discussed about it here.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

In Christianity Judaism and Islam god is an ABSTRACT concept. Therefore he need not necessarily work in a timescale. On the other hand, one cannot define time, let alone claiming that every process takes time.

Saying god is a abstract concept in Abraham religions doesn't substantiate his un-necessity to work in a timescale.

A process doesn't take place without time. its possible to measure the intervals between a sequence of events.

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

I have already discussed about it here.

People have proposed many theories, but big bang theory is the generally accepted theory at the moment. In big BOUNCE theory, the universe undergoes a crunch, which reduces entropy and violates the second law of thermodynamics. This theory needs to solve these theoretical problems and gather a lot of supportive experimental results if it is to be accepted in science.
I am not talking about Buddhism here. I am talking about western science.

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

Saying god is a abstract concept in Abraham religions doesn't substantiate his un-necessity to work in a timescale.

Please explain why not..

A process doesn't take place without time. its possible to measure the intervals between a sequence of events.

Tell me this:
1. What is time?
2. How do you know that every action takes time?


(Sorry I had to correct my wording from 'process' to 'action'. We are not talking about the 'process of' creation of the universe. We are talking about the point at which the process of universe started, at which point time started as well. This is really the 'action' of creation of universe.)
After the process is started, there is time. But we cannot talk about 'time' before any process is started in the universe. An abstract God is not a part of the universe.