If God created ALL, what created God?

[සුදර්ම]

Brother you have said in one of your post that our religion ask us to search with mind before acceptance but what your action is showing here.
A budhish person has when given non bias and rational view you have denied to accept him as budhish and kick him from budhism and another person start saying him extremist and taliban at once instead of reply to his logic about God. Is there restriction in budhism to give rational and personal view about others.
He has told in the post that he has no believe on the creator God that could not be said by any believer of God (Muslim, cristian etc). A true believer of God can give all thing but can't say like this..

1. Learn to spell Buddhist properly.

2. The person you are quoting is not accepting God or accepting a Buddhist God.

3. God is a mythical character same as "flying spaghetty Monster" or "Celestial teapot" . The point is neither you cant prove nor disprove something that doesnot exist. Supporters of evolution made these ficticious characters just to show the MORONS who believe in a non-existing GOD that they can believe in any imaginary character!

4.Ex-muslim ahmed claimed he created god in this thread, if god is existing it/she/he could have denied it. but neither god nor his angels corrected ex-muslim ahmed's claim. There fore ex-muslim Ahmed could have been the creator of God.

5. I agree with Ex-muslim Ahmed on Muslims being Funny! You talk about Allah, science, rationality. What could be more funnier than that??

 

[IcedEarth]

Please save us Almighty, Eternal, Unbeatable, ex muslim ahamed

 

[hafizsaad]

5. I agree with Ex-muslim Ahmed on Muslims being Funny! You talk about Allah, science, rationality. What could be more funnier than that??[/SIZE]

how much i.d and login you will make ex-buddddish. Your hate for Islam and God and your crazy comments show you whenever you try to hide in different Fake name

 

[IcedEarth]

Hey guys dont blame on other religions coz God will punish you !!!!!!!

 

[dilankandy]

Brother you have said in one of your post that our religion ask us to search with mind before acceptance but what your action is showing here.
A budhish person has when given non bias and rational view you have denied to accept him as budhish and kick him from budhism and another person start saying him extremist and taliban at once instead of reply to his logic about God. Is there restriction in budhism to give rational and personal view about others.
He has told in the post that he has no believe on the creator God that could not be said by any believer of God (Muslim, cristian etc). A true believer of God can give all thing but can't say like this..

Prove to me that he is a Buddhist

There are no restrictions in Buddhism like yours. Its your own decision to follow the ways of buddhism or not...

As you have seen he failed to answer my questions so far.. And i have clearly shown his logic has no proper meaning...

And you say that he does not accept THE god. Then ask him why would he argue about a thing that he does not believe.

I have proved that he is not a Buddhist according to his own actions. If he questioned the existence of THE god according to buddhist way he would simply come up that there is no such thing as almighty god.He says he accept that. Then he wants to argue on what if THE God exists... What is that joke? You call that non bias and rational?
You guys ARE funny

He just came with a brand new id from nowhere and acts like a matured EK user. Anyone can see that. that's why i called him a fake id.

For your record There are many religions in this world that does not believe in a creater god. The main religions which were at india by the time of lord buddah did not also believe in a creater god. Those religions still exist. So dont think that if any one deny the existence of god he is a buddhist....

 

[sudunone]

Who created God? Who gave all powers to God?

When I was small, I was frightened by the thunder and lightening. My father said, there's nothing to worry: "It's the God's children, playing ball. And when they have lost the ball, the God lights his torch to look for it."

Based on my father's explanation, and my own few experiences of life, I created the rest: When it rained heavily, I thought the God is washing clothes- he had so many kids so has to use a lot of water. When it rained a little, I thought the God's kids playing outside were too lazy to go to the toilet and just passed water outside.

I was only 3-5 years at the time. My creation was based on what little experience I had.

Throughout the history, humans had to face a lot of hardships; they experienced suffering; they were in helpless situations. They probably dreamed of a life without any suffering, a life where they had everything. They probably imagined there was a world where their enemies would suffer for what was done to them. Even today, we find it very difficult to accept responsibility for the mistakes that we make in life; we always tend to blame it on someone else. We like someone else to take the burden off us, without us having to work towards a better life.

What better way to tackle that kind of life than creating a powerful God, who will take responsibility, who will be on our side always, and punish our enemies for eternity while guaranteeing eternal happiness for ourselves? And sucking up to the boss is not a rare phenomenon: people do it all the time to gain favourations from the boss.

 

[hafizsaad]

Who created God? Who gave all powers to God?

What better way to tackle that kind of life than creating a powerful God, who will take responsibility, who will be on our side always, and punish our enemies for eternity while guaranteeing eternal happiness for ourselves? And sucking up to the boss is not a rare phenomenon: people do it all the time to gain favourations from the boss.

OUR ALLAH (GOD) SAYS IN QURAN (read even if you don't believe)


And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them without purpose! That is the consideration of those who disbelieve! Then woe to those who disbelieve, from the Fire!
QURAN (38:27)

Shall We treat those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, the same as those who do mischief on earth?
Shall We treat those who guard against evil, the same as those who turn aside from the right ?
QURAN (38:28)

Were they created by nothing ? or were they themselves the creators ? (35) Or did they create the heavens and the earth ? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. (36)
QURAN (52,35-36)

What can Allah gain by your punishment, if ye are grateful and ye believe? Nay, it is Allah that recognise (all good), and knoweth all things.
QURAN(4:147)

Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
QURAN (2:164)

 

[dilankandy]

OUR ALLAH (GOD) SAYS IN QURAN (read even if you don't believe)


And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them without purpose! That is the consideration of those who disbelieve! Then woe to those who disbelieve, from the Fire!
QURAN (38:27)

Shall We treat those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, the same as those who do mischief on earth?
Shall We treat those who guard against evil, the same as those who turn aside from the right ?
QURAN (38:28)

Were they created by nothing ? or were they themselves the creators ? (35) Or did they create the heavens and the earth ? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. (36)
QURAN (52,35-36)

What can Allah gain by your punishment, if ye are grateful and ye believe? Nay, it is Allah that recognise (all good), and knoweth all things.
QURAN(4:147)

Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
QURAN (2:164)

A..........nd your point sir?

 

[nadman]

Humm interesting question I guess there are two possible ways to answer this question
1.If you dont believe in God....
If you dont accept the existence of an all powerful God who is the creator of man kind then this question in it's self is irrelevant.(Unless you are using this question as a means of annoying and and riddicule creationists)
2.If you do believe in God....
Then the argument is simple,we as mere mortals cannot truly comprehend the meaning of eternity.And the creation of god will forever allude our comprehension as God's creation and existence is outside the scope of our understanding.

 

[සුදර්ම]

OUR ALLAH (GOD) SAYS IN QURAN (read even if you don't believe)

"It is in Quran so it must be true, because Quran says so"..
Circular Logic??
Should we even waste time on this "genius"

 

[hafizsaad]

A..........nd your point sir?

My Post was related to brother sudunone comments on God idea, perception and way of Life of people who have belief on God.The verses of Quran which i have posted present actual situation and cocept about God , purpose of creations, Concept of Punishment and rewards in islam etc.

 

[sudunone]

OUR ALLAH (GOD) SAYS IN QURAN (read even if you don't believe)


And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them without purpose! That is the consideration of those who disbelieve! Then woe to those who disbelieve, from the Fire!
QURAN (38:27)

Shall We treat those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, the same as those who do mischief on earth?
Shall We treat those who guard against evil, the same as those who turn aside from the right ?
QURAN (38:28)

Were they created by nothing ? or were they themselves the creators ? (35) Or did they create the heavens and the earth ? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. (36)
QURAN (52,35-36)

What can Allah gain by your punishment, if ye are grateful and ye believe? Nay, it is Allah that recognise (all good), and knoweth all things.
QURAN(4:147)

Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
QURAN (2:164)

We? So there has been more than one!

I'm positive that I was created by my parents. I have seen women giving birth; I have studied how women get pregnant. My parents have their parents, and they have their parents- I have seen my great grand father. So, it is much more logical for me to believe that humans are created by their parents. And I will gladly take the fire.

If there was a god who punishes people, brings disasters even to the lands of the firmest 'believers', brings illnesses and death and unfortunate incidents based on no logical reason (discrimination against some people, not all) then what punishment should this god be given??

I understand that you are a firm believer in whatever is written on your holy book, Hafissad. So, you make take a few sentences from that book as evidence or proof. Others like us, who have no faith in your holy book, need evidence from outside. The truth is, the existence of an almighty somebody cannot be proven.

On the other hand, creation of children by their parents can be proven, experimented, right in front of our eyes. I'll take that as evidence.

Thanks for your concern.

 

[hafizsaad]

The truth is, the existence of an almighty somebody cannot be proven.

On the other hand, creation of children by their parents can be proven, experimented, right in front of our eyes. I'll take that as evidence.

Thanks for your concern.
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Sorry sudunone for more comments.
for Concept of Punishment and disaster by God, we had discussed before many time and much reason have been given for this point.Quran says
Mischief (Evil) has appeared on land and sea because of (the evil) which men's hands have done, so that (Allah) may give them a taste of some of their deeds: in order that they may turn back (from Evil). (41)Say: "Travel through the earth and see what was the End of those before (you): most of them worshipped others besides Allah."(42) (QURAN 30,41-42)

What can Allah gain by your punishment, if ye are grateful and ye believe? Nay, it is Allah that recognise (all good), and knoweth all things.
QURAN(4:147)

Creation which you have mentioned also at the very beginning required a supernatural power. I am not talking about only the creation of human being but the whole universe and creatures living on it, also the verse i posted mentioning this. we have to think broadly for wisdom and understanding.

Were they created by nothing ? or were they themselves the creators ? (35) Or did they create the heavens and the earth ? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. (36)
QURAN (52,35-36)

 

[sudunone]

Sorry sudunone for more comments.
for Concept of Punishment and disaster by God, we had discussed before many time and much reason have been given for this point.Quran says
Mischief (Evil) has appeared on land and sea because of (the evil) which men's hands have done, so that (Allah) may give them a taste of some of their deeds: in order that they may turn back (from Evil). (41)Say: "Travel through the earth and see what was the End of those before (you): most of them worshipped others besides Allah."(42) (QURAN 30,41-42)

What can Allah gain by your punishment, if ye are grateful and ye believe? Nay, it is Allah that recognise (all good), and knoweth all things.
QURAN(4:147)

Creation which you have mentioned also at the very beginning required a supernatural power. I am not talking about only the creation of human being but the whole universe and creatures living on it, also the verse i posted mentioning this. we have to think broadly for wisdom and understanding.

Were they created by nothing ? or were they themselves the creators ? (35) Or did they create the heavens and the earth ? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. (36)
QURAN (52,35-36)

According to your belief, hafissad, humans haven't born before this life; correct? So, any 'past actions' referred are limited to this life.How do you explain one child being born with a serious heart disease while another is born healthy? What has this child done wrong? If the child is 'punished' for what some other human has done, how does your God select which child to punish among many?


I don't understand the relationship between the two sentences in the second para.


How can you infer that at the very beginning a supernatural power was involved? It could well be natural processes. If you leave some food around for a few days, fungi will grow in it. It is a natural process. In other words, we have no proof of involvement of any supernatural process. As I have mentioned earlier, as a firm believer, the holy book may be enough evidence for you, but not for others.

Exactly! We have to think broadly for wisdom and understanding. I'm glad we can agree on this one point, at least.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

How do you explain one child being born with a serious heart disease while another is born healthy? What has this child done wrong?

That is the fate of that child, which is determined by Allah(swt)

Fate (kalar and kadr in arabic-sorry spellings may be wrong) is one of the main beliefs of Islamic faith.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

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[sudunone]

That is the fate of that child, which is determined by Allah(swt)

Fate (kalar and kadr in arabic-sorry spellings may be wrong) is one of the main beliefs of Islamic faith.

(swt) stands for what?

 

[sudunone]

And hafizsaad, were there more than one God in the beginning?

 

[ela_eluwa120]

(swt) stands for what?

Subhanahu wa ta'ala

meaning-glorious and exalted is He

 

[dilankandy]

According to your belief, hafissad, humans haven't born before this life; correct? So, any 'past actions' referred are limited to this life.How do you explain one child being born with a serious heart disease while another is born healthy? What has this child done wrong? If the child is 'punished' for what some other human has done, how does your God select which child to punish among many?


I don't understand the relationship between the two sentences in the second para.


How can you infer that at the very beginning a supernatural power was involved? It could well be natural processes. If you leave some food around for a few days, fungi will grow in it. It is a natural process. In other words, we have no proof of involvement of any supernatural process. As I have mentioned earlier, as a firm believer, the holy book may be enough evidence for you, but not for others.

Exactly! We have to think broadly for wisdom and understanding. I'm glad we can agree on this one point, at least.

When speaking of punishments i found these...

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90

"Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped."
(There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one.) 2:48

If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next.(Cristians Huh....) 2:85

Allah is severe punishment! 2:165-6

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2


War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221


Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

Allah has destroyed many generations. 19:98

Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.--9:5

Elakiri eken Sadakalika apayata gos dawena aya.....!
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