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Godak kattiya islam ekata wirudda kattiya kiyanwane anti islamic kattiya eyalata balaganna tamai me post eka demme
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Godak kattiya islam ekata wirudda kattiya kiyanwane anti islamic kattiya eyalata balaganna tamai me post eka demme
Mr. Elaeluwa,
Please understand the subject here, your buddhist brothers keep on arguing that a war is not necessary , even when some one come to kill you, it can be solved by spiritual way. Mr.Hafisaad & my self keep on asking with them wat is your spiritual and how could you solve so. for an example we asked them why LTTE problem was not solved through spiritual way if it is an effective.tht was the context, hafisaad never dragged political in to Buddhism. this is for FYI
gud job dude keep on posting sme req but any thread not hurting others and explan than in easy way bcs Islam religion its not hard
We say War is not a necessary. You say it is....
You asked what is the spiritual way and we kept replying....
We say Buddhism is not politics but you keep asking political solutions from it....
You are in a big misunderstanding about a Buddhism. Please tell me what kind of message does Buddhism give to people? What kind of a religion is Buddhism?
Dont look at the Buddhism as the way you look at other religions. FYI Buddhism is more practical than any religion in this world... It doesn't control its disciples by fear of physical punishments given by humans like yours. All it does to control is show them the earnings of their own doing. As knowledgeable people you must choose what to do and what not to...
Buddhism treats to the terrorism. Not to terrorists. No matter how many people you punish or kill or what ever you do you only give a tempory solution by punishing the criminal. You don't give a solution to the crime itself. (And thats what you call practical isnt it.
) Too bad you cant see that.And by the way We have end our 30 years war. But have you still figured out how to end your internal wars between Sunnis and Shiites..? You both follow the same Books dont you...
No solution for politics, country administration etc. but still practical.
We say War is not a necessary.
It doesn't control its disciples by fear of physical punishments given by humans like yours.
And by the way We have end our 30 years war.
Buddhism treats to the terrorism. Not to terrorists. No matter how many people you punish or kill or what ever you do you only give a tempory solution by punishing the criminal. You don't give a solution to the crime itself. (And thats what you call practical isnt it.
have you end the war in spiritual way, without fighting, killing and shedding blood ?
contradicting yours comments.
Brother become realistic.
If you accept the first statement, then its not necessary to ask again about the same thing you already accepted. If you did so, there is the contradiction.
No it isn't non-sense, may be you are not mature enough to understand the words like 'desire' in dept, or don't care of reading my posts in an un-bias perspective.
No, you haven't said rightly, rather, you have just cited some of your own thoughts that you believe true, but not true.
A person who screams monks have no concern with society even doesn't know the meaning of the word monk.
I don't need to divert.
I have clearly answered what you asked about Buddhism. your inability to understand is not my problem.
This kind of logical fallacy is know as "proof by assertion".
No matter the number of times is in hundreds or thousands-lies are lies.
I have nothing left to mix and confuse with false logic since Islam is already messed and confused with false logic by itself.
According to Qu'ran and Islam, no one can 'select' good or bad because Allah had predesignated everybody's fate and destiny.
In addition, believing that allah has predisignied one's fate is the one of the major Islamic believes. This is know as al-Qadar in Arabic.
Islamic (Sunni) belief in al-Qadar has four types.
1 – العلم Al-'Alam – Knowledge: i.e., that Allah knows what His creation will do, by virtue of His eternal knowledge, including their choices that will take place.
2 – كتابة Kitabat – Writing: i.e., that Allah has written every thing that exists including the destiny of all creatures in al-Lawh al-Mahfuud prior to creation.
3 – مشيئة Mashii'at – Will: i.e., that what Allah wills happens and what He does not will does not happen.
4 – الخلق Al-Khalaq – Creation and formation: i.e., that Allah is the Creator of all things, including the actions of His servants. They do their actions in a real sense, and Allah is the Creator of them and of their actions.
If you read critically, you will realize that this al-Qadar concept clearly states that Allah knows what his creation will do even before creating-which means deciding which religion his creature will follow is also a part of creation. Deciding good or bad that his creature will follow is also a part of creation.
Plus, this Islamic al-Qadar concept further states that what Allah wills happens, and what Allah doesn't will does not happen.
To sum up, according to al-Qadar in Islam, if someone select good, thats allah's will, and if someone selects bad, thats also allah's will. Moreover, even if someone rejects or insults Islam thats also allah's will. Thus, you can't say that people have a free will to accept one from good or bad, if you are saying so, you are simply talking against Islam. If you are saying that people have a free will to pick one from good or bad, you betraying the Qu'ran, thus, you will be punished for it according to Islam in the day of judgment by fixing a flag behind your buttock as it is cited in the Hadiths.
So, you accept that quranic verses have a background and its only relevant to that background.
For example, lets consider this verse.
Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. (2-216)
As far as I know, paraphrasing what Muslims say, God revealed this verse when some enemies attacked the city of Madina.
That means this verse is only valid to the incident happened in Madina in that period, and not valid now. If every verse is valid only for a specific incident, context or background like this, it gives the idea that quran is expired.
On the other hand, if you say this mentioned verse (sura 2-verse 216) is valid today, that blatantly explicit that violence and terrorism is allowed in Islam.
We say War is not a necessary. You say it is....
You asked what is the spiritual way and we kept replying....
We say Buddhism is not politics but you keep asking political solutions from it....
You are in a big misunderstanding about a Buddhism. Please tell me what kind of message does Buddhism give to people? What kind of a religion is Buddhism?
This is what we have been asking from you guys.you are asking me back.lol
Dont look at the Buddhism as the way you look at other religions. FYI Buddhism is more practical than any religion in this world... It doesn't control its disciples by fear of physical punishments given by humans like yours. All it does to control is show them the earnings of their own doing. As knowledgeable people you must choose what to do and what not to...
I dont look at buddhism like other religions as it is not practical. see in this 21st century how can you control crimes without giving physical punishment current world is example for that. current world is suffering now as there are loophole in our punishment system and our justice is so,that innocent is punsihed and culprit is survives.and so much soft punishements it is leading that same culprit redoing the same crime.if u implement the Islamic Shariaw law purely we will see the difference inshallah.
Buddhism treats to the terrorism. Not to terrorists. No matter how many people you punish or kill or what ever you do you only give a tempory solution by punishing the criminal. You don't give a solution to the crime itself. (And thats what you call practical isnt it.
My dear, when some one is punished, others fear for doing same crime. how do u say it is temporary, we dont keep the same culprit alive, directly death penalty thats it. as per you, culprit has to be kept alive and he will keep on doing same crime number of time. is this good for humanity?..I dont know how do u say this is practical.
And by the way We have end our 30 years war. But have you still figured out how to end your internal wars between Sunnis and Shiites..? You both follow the same Books dont you...
How did u finish the 30years war in the end? by ur spiritual way???? see Islamic sharia law is not purely exists in Iraq & other most of the muslim countries as it is influenced by USA. see even this Shia & sunni fight from when u mostly hear abt. only after invasion of Iraq, thats d planned secretarian violence.
Lets summerize .... So its a MUST
You gotta Follow Islam and Believe in allah ... otherwise no matter what good deeds you do you'll end up in HELL 
why beating around the bush Is it fair to judge someone merely By his religious beliefs ??YES OR NO
Just for you to know Buddhism says the person is judged by the actions he/she performs .. not by his religion, race or whatever ... Anyone can attain nibbana(the ultimate goal of buddhists) if he follows the "Aarya Ashtangika Maarga"
Only answer i can give for those useless words you have said..
Buddhism Shows us the way to end this Suffering of continues life cycle...
Thats what Buddhism is for... You dont even know that much of buddhism and citicize it. how funny.It doesnt speak anything except from eliminating desire because desire is the reason why all these so called crimes exist in this world. Buddhism treat for the cause. Not to the effect.
Buddhism is not a law. As you kept saying Islam is a political religion made to rule people...
And FYI in your So Called PRACTICAL religion God him self created Crimes and He him self created punishments for them. How Practical is your merciful God...
Beside if everyone could follow the ways of buddhism (even prohibit from five sins) there wont be any crime in this world. Now tell me that's not practical and punishing everyone is practical
Then you say No, Islamic rules of punishing is practical than Buddhist concepts. How can that be when nobody wants to be ruled by such a barbaric law. No appeals.
Live in a such a stress, people tend to crimes automatically. (Go and learn some psychology)
And remember when some one is punished the other ones who still wants to commit the same crime gets afraid and find different ways to do it without being captured. Thats why the treating for crime is better than treating for criminal. (But sadly i know you wont understand what im saying in here...)
Buddhism Shows us the way to end this Suffering of continues life cycle...
Thats what Buddhism is for... You dont even know that much of buddhism and citicize it. how funny.It doesnt speak anything except from eliminating desire because desire is the reason why all these so called crimes exist in this world. Buddhism treat for the cause. Not to the effect.
Buddhism is not a law. As you kept saying Islam is a political religion made to rule people...
And FYI in your So Called PRACTICAL religion God him self created Crimes and He him self created punishments for them. How Practical is your merciful God...
Beside if everyone could follow the ways of buddhism (even prohibit from five sins) there wont be any crime in this world. Now tell me that's not practical and punishing everyone is practical
Then you say No, Islamic rules of punishing is practical than Buddhist concepts. How can that be when nobody wants to be ruled by such a barbaric law. No appeals.
Live in a such a stress, people tend to crimes automatically. (Go and learn some psychology)
And remember when some one is punished the other ones who still wants to commit the same crime gets afraid and find different ways to do it without being captured. Thats why the treating for crime is better than treating for criminal. (But sadly i know you wont understand what im saying in here...)
Lets summerize .... So its a MUST
why beating around the bush Is it fair to judge someone merely By his religious beliefs ??YES OR NO
Just for you to know Buddhism says the person is judged by the actions he/she performs .. not by his religion, race or whatever ... Anyone can attain nibbana(the ultimate goal of buddhists) if he follows the "Aarya Ashtangika Maarga"
100 % true
Buddhism Shows us the way to end this Suffering of continues life cycle...
Thats what Buddhism is for... You dont even know that much of buddhism and citicize it. how funny.It doesnt speak anything except from eliminating desire because desire is the reason why all these so called crimes exist in this world. Buddhism treat for the cause. Not to the effect.
Don't overrate the buddhism as if it is the only religion in the world which say goodthings.see all the religions in the world say about good things. it speaks about evrything.but Islam besides talking the good things even it shows how to acheive that.dont misunderstand me always, What is spirutal?(what is the action & how) see we also have 5times prayer which is must for all of us.which purify our mind and having touch with God full day and avoid the sins. and we have systems for avoiding the crimes for eg.Zakath (charity) which can avoid the robbery.still when someone rob he will be punished. we get all the witness & reason for his theft. we dont just catch the robber & chop off his hand.not likthat.
Buddhism is not a law. As you kept saying Islam is a political religion made to rule people...
Islam apart from talking otherthings even it speak about how to behave if u r ruler of a country.Islam speaks about all. Maybe buddhism is limited to some subject as you mentioned.I dont knw
And FYI in your So Called PRACTICAL religion God him self created Crimes and He him self created punishments for them. How Practical is your merciful God...
of course he created all. if he can create everything why he cant create crimes & punishement. to acheive that only He has given us a MANUAL Quran.this is operating manual for human, this says how to live in this world in order to achieve good life in next life.
Beside if everyone could follow the ways of buddhism (even prohibit from five sins) there wont be any crime in this world. Now tell me that's not practical and punishing everyone is practical
I told u already, Islam already have provision for prohibiting the sins.
Then you say No, Islamic rules of punishing is practical than Buddhist concepts. How can that be when nobody wants to be ruled by such a barbaric law. No appeals.
Live in a such a stress, people tend to crimes automatically. (Go and learn some psychology)
people made them self stress, our foundation is wrong.people are not following Quran correctly then how do we expect people will not tend to do crimes.1st foundation should be fixed up as quran says. it is not all people who rejects the islamic law, it is west which dont allow people to follow so, in the name of human rights they stop & people are behind art of this world.
And remember when some one is punished the other ones who still wants to commit the same crime gets afraid and find different ways to do it without being captured. Thats why the treating for crime is better than treating for criminal. (But sadly i know you wont understand what im saying in here...)
again as i mentioned treating the crime already there in Islam, and Islam punishment doesn't have any loopholes like others, so dont worry no one will be able to do in different ways,even if he do so we will have punishment for that also. NO one can escape from Islamic punishments.Islam is complete, dont think so cheap.
Just word my friend. just words...
Buddhism Treats for the desire... Understand what desire means in Buddhism.
Cant explain in English due to my lack of knowledge in vocabulary...
Then speak about whats practical and whats not. whats useful and whats useless...
FYI Buddhism is the only religion which speaks of Good while NOT speaking of chopping hands and heads...
It is the only religion which shows to attain supreme spiritual development in this life rather than getting it in heaven. What you say means your spiritual development cannot gained till you go to heaven... Which one is great?
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Its ok Dont worry. first of all you study ur self what is in your scriptures, read & see whatever the language that you know.As far as i know Buddhist never read their scriptures apart from going to ur temple.but we read & send our children to Madrasas for studying the scriptures. so we have some ideas as to waht is written in our Quran. My advise u also to encourage ur communities to read & clarify what is wrtten in ur scriptures. dont always depend on what Bikkhu says.so that u will know exactly what is there. after that just do research on comparison at least in basic concept of God. then you decide ur self.there is no compulsion in islam.Whatever we said so far is just explanation as what u asked that is it. My english also not so good, otherwise i also can describe u abt islam better than this.
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2. Punishment as a method of achieving a desired behaviour is, also, an out-dated method. This is actually a very primitive method of learning and is not even used on intelligent animals anymore. Rewarding a good action is a better method, but even this is not a good form. The highest level of learning is that which occurs through understanding: a person may avoid doing a wrong deed because he understands it to be wrong, not because he is afraid of punishment. (Refer Kohlberg, Moral development)
A simple question at this point: Would you like your partner to be faithful to you because she/he fears punishment (by you, by shariah law or by God) or because she/he loves you? In case you haven't experienced the latter, it's one of the best feelings you can experience.
3. I know Islam recommends charity during Ramazan period, which is a good practice; I also know that Muslims in Sri Lanka have a system where they get accommodation at mosques if they happen to come to a city at night, or as the need may be, which is again, a good practice. (By the way, why should I bring up this? None of you Muslims mentioned this good action.) However, we are discussing about the place of punishment and fear within a religion; whether there could be a difference in moral values/ right and wrong depending on context.
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Paedophilia, aggression against homosexuality and sexual discrimination are out-dated practices. So any belief system that still advocates these, are out-dated for today's society.
2. Punishment as a method of achieving a desired behaviour is, also, an out-dated method. This is actually a very primitive method of learning and is not even used on intelligent animals anymore. Rewarding a good action is a better method, but even this is not a good form. The highest level of learning is that which occurs through understanding: a person may avoid doing a wrong deed because he understands it to be wrong, not because he is afraid of punishment. (Refer Kohlberg, Moral development)
A simple question at this point: Would you like your partner to be faithful to you because she/he fears punishment (by you, by shariah law or by God) or because she/he loves you? In case you haven't experienced the latter, it's one of the best feelings you can experience.
3. I know Islam recommends charity during Ramazan period, which is a good practice; I also know that Muslims in Sri Lanka have a system where they get accommodation at mosques if they happen to come to a city at night, or as the need may be, which is again, a good practice. (By the way, why should I bring up this? None of you Muslims mentioned this good action.) However, we are discussing about the place of punishment and fear within a religion; whether there could be a difference in moral values/ right and wrong depending on context.
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Do you really think crime rates have dropped in arabian countries? I think the incidents are not reported rather. How many SriLankan housemaids are raped and tortured? How many of them are not paid what is due? Punishment sends one clear message: DON'T GET CAUGHT. It doesn't guide a person in the right direction. Arabs, over the years, have learnt that any crime such as rape done against foriegners like SriLankans, are not punishable; that the state law will not protect the foriegner. So they have no fear of crime against foriegners.
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I know, but my problem is with this 'how to achieve that'. Covering up women in black clothes is not a suitable method to prevent rape, for instance. It should be done through control of desire in males-they are the culprits. Your method punishes the victims.
Another few simple questions in relation to this advocating violence and severe punishment for wrong action: there is another thread with the 99 names of your God, among them, forgiving, the loving one, the most compassionate one, the patient one, the merciful.
What does he forgive? Or is it that he's willing to forgive and forget but you people wouldn't??
How does one stays compassionate, patient and merciful AND advocates murder of non-believers or any other enemies?
What does he forgive? Or is it that he's willing to forgive and forget but you people wouldn't??
How does one stays compassionate, patient and merciful AND advocates murder of non-believers or any other enemies?
Thanks for the advice.. I'll keep it my mind... May be your god has granted you a super power to read my mind to know that im not reading Buddhist scriptures.. how facinating... (Too bad your children have to learn a contradictory scripture from their childhood.)
And may i also suggest to you that do not always depend on what your prophet said.(According to his Karma he is definitely suffering a bad fate in hell by now... After all these discussions all of us can understand what kind of a character he had... No wonder the followers are same..)
And speaking of god it occurred to me a long long time ago that no such a thing exists. It only exists in minds of people like you.. Buddhists are not weak and helpless to pray to anyone to get things done. We just get them through our actions. We don't need an imaginary god to protect us. We face the truth as it is. Not hiding behind something...
Most of our questions still lies unanswered...
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