Prophet Muhammad and child marriages

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umba kotelawalage g@l kollada?:D
 
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friend, I know this is not true. Its not that you don't get any questions. It's just that you are afraid to talk about them. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

If Im afraid I would have not replied my friend.

I dont know the word melaine, can you explain it?
Malign mean Insult..


Shows how close minded you are. You just want to assume things that benefits you. Just like all the rest of you guys, you are so determined to label someone as ANTI-ISLAM as soon as he raises a genuine question that has been there for centuries. I do not blame you. This defense mechanism is built in to your brain, from the day you began to learn Islam. "You do not ever question Islam. Anyone who does has no other motive than insulting Islam. Label them as ANTI-ISLAM."

You do not leave a margin for anyone to judge your religion, by asking simple questions. You find them difficult to answer. You get the same questions in your mind. But since its forbidden to think, your reaction would be to label the knowledge seeker.

Without answering the simple questions, you ask them to learn true Islam. You are so blinded that you cannot see, a non believer will not move on to deeper concepts, if he cannot see logic, answers to simple questions first. Islam asks you to teach your religion, but you fail to see how it should be done. To carry on Allah's will why can't you just think straight for once? Insulting or not, these questions will educate people about Islam. These questions will help a non believer to understand it. The logics in your answers will prove the logics in Islam.

The foundation of the Islam is faith. Your faith brings you close to your GOD. Why you can't understand that a non believer will not hold any value in faith? Answer his questions and do your duty for Islam, without uttering useless words. If you don't like to do it, why do you come to this thread in the first place?


as far as you understand,Im uttering useless words and not giving logic answers, but for me and some others I may be good and trying to clarify the misconceptions to the non muslims like you. One can be actor for some one, for others he can be villain.!! there is no doubt non believers should ask the question bt with open heart as to understand what is the replies they get.bt unfortunately whoever comes here restricting their knowledge in putting their accusation about islam, when they get answer they act as if they are Montessori children.and again when they put counter question again their brain start to work as to ask some twist question.
What is your genuine question, this is your genuine question?? dont just bluff as if you found something some illogical point with Quran,and we r running away. though quran challenged you people to bring any book like that or find wrong in that.NO body succeeded so far.Including many scientist and non islamic scholors.I hope comparing to scientist and non islamic scholars you r peanuts..Do u think you will defeat islam.we dont label you as anti islamist as long as as you want to learn the islam and question us, bt only we lable as you are anti Islamist as you dont want to understand,and bring something to screw us which we even differ and it is not exactly clear.and why dont u talk about Prophet mohammed did good things and why dont u guys question us why prophet married widows most of them.bt only on aisha? this shows you r not genuine questioner but Genuine Anti islamist..!!



A definition of pedophilia has nothing to do with the original question. He can be a pedophile or not. The questions is, being a middle aged man why did he marry a girl of 6? knowing what that action would do to future society why did he still conduct it? Can't he simply understand what is right and what is wrong? You do not need to defend anyone's actions, I'm not accusing anyone.

Aisha wished to marry Mohammed, and her family wished as well.and their family life was good. we have no proof for having affected their life middle aged man married 9years aisha.so what is d problem for you??? how do u say it it will affect future society...then do u mean current world all muslims are marrying a girl at the age of 9. No we dont do that..see age of puberty cannot be same in all the countries and the communities...and why dont u appreciate that prophet married many widows and gave life to them. even for sake of argument if we accept future society following the prophet, to marry the young girls, it is not he to be blamed but we.coz he married more widows and one 9yrs old. which should encourage us to marry widow and not young. so it is not appropriate to say he showed us wrong path.

percentage of his wives who were 6 when he married - 9%.
So does the small percentage make the action less important?

Here's something for you to think about.
There's a murderer in the prison, his statistics are as follows.

Percentage of crimes that are not murders - 99%
Percentage of crimes that are murders - 1%

So his murder is out of ordinary, He normally do robberies assaults ans stuff like that. Should he not be charged for the murder????

your examples is wrong here, Murder is a crime, Marriage is not a crime.so you r wrong here....% explanation is just to explain his marriage motive was not for the purpose of sex desire from young girl.hope you didnt read properly..

I just brought this to show the lack of logic in this argument. Not to accuse anyone of anything.


my replies proof who has lack of logic!!!




I agree. By today's standards it is considered rape. But maybe not by those days standards.



You see this is where I disagree. His actions have clearly resulted in child marriages, rape, abuses, deaths today. So I cannot understand how one would feel this.



my above replies will suit for this question as well..and in addition to that he is not to be blamed for your rape and abuse..did he show u how to rape,abuse and kill anyone.. this is just your additional blame for your frame of accusation!!

I do not claim this. I just asked what do you think? Is this child abuse? Why not? Nevertheless what has his actions done to today's society?

I dont claim this is an child abuse.I will claim only u people trying to have storied as child abuse as prophet mohammed has never involved in rape and child abuse matter...if i keep silent you will go on to say later that all the crimes of the current world such as child abuse, rape, Gay, lesbians,aids etc..all those things just bec of him...lol!!

Fair enough.


Why did he needed to marry her for this?



Why didn't he utilize the capabilities of an adult woman? Why did he had to marry her and have sex with her at the age of 9 to utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam?


again my earlier answers will be appropriate for this. Aisha was among one of them. of course Prophet mohammed married adult women as well. you r questioning me as if Prophets mohammed all the wives were young girls....aged 9. moreover even after prophet death, she had opportunity to involve in islamic matter ,educated many with regards to islamic questions, She had profound knowledge of Quran and Sunnah She narrated over 2,000 hadith one of the main narrators which was not done any of the prophet's wife.
Thus the contribution of Aisha was vital, without her perhaps much of the sunnah would have been lost. In addition the marriage also refuted the notion that a man could not marry the daughter of a man who he had declared to be his "brother" (even in the religious sense). Since the Prophet and Abu Bakr had declared each other to be "brothers", this notion was done away with. This is demonstrated in the following hadith:

"Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."" (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18)



So GOD asked him to marry a child and have sex with her? Endangering her life and thousands of others in future? Does GOD understand right and wrong???

God Knows best, perhaps if she has not narrated the highest number of Hadith it would have lost by now..as i said you earlier As Aisha was young she lived for many years even after prophet death. which led to spread the islam for many years with the help of Aisha. as all other wives was comparatively older than her, they couldn't do much for islam and they died much earlier than Aisha.

There's no question about Aisha's importance to Islam After she spent a decade with the prophet. There's no question about her intelligence or skills. The question is why couldn't prophet choose a mature woman who is intelligent to pass his knowledge, why a child?


find above for answers

I do not have any problem with Islam or any other religion. And I do not want to blame any religion, as long as it does not harm anyone. If Islam is responsible for child marriages, rapes, abuses, deaths today, I blame Islam. Is there anything else to blame other than what's responsible?

Having said that I know it is not right to blame anyone but the person who committed the action and those who helped him. These actions are carried out by men in the name of Islam. It's a shame that people's actions reflect on the religion.
or maybe its the other way around.


If we want to follow him so,As i said to u above..We have to marry a widow not the young girl.Coz he prefered widows.

Machan be realistic. These kind of statements add nothing. We all know Islam is perfect for muslims. And we all know Islam is not considered perfect by others. I mean, come on man.. We are trying to discuss here.

of course we r not running out from here..you r most welcomed to discuss friend...


Right, like you are desperately trying to defend his actions?

yes, as it helped islam.God and prophet know best!! alhamdulillah


We all have an agenda here, or else we would not be here. I know what my agen
da is.. But what amazes me is that you seems to know other peoples motives as well.


What toilet are you talking about here? Are you comparing Islam to a toilet??? And what is the other toilet you are talking about?
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really u don't understand this??:..i meant before all, study ur scriptures well.watever it is !!(christainaty or buddhism) and decide ur self u r in correct path way before u pin point islam or can i treat that u decided ur self that u are inconvinced abt ur religion and looking to learn islam to enter in to the religion of peace(islam)..
 
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DamienJ

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Mother Mary was below the age of 11 when she gave birth to Jesus. Look it up.

Thousands of years have passed and today no one marries children, children don't have sex, and children don't give birth.

But of course this doesn't apply to the catholic church. Their priests have been raping little boys and girls for years and it's been ok.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/15/AR2010041505072.html

ur buddhist priests are the ones who are having sex with children you idiot...:angry:
 

njsa

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I love Srilanka.Your reply is great...!

Thanks for the effort, this fools will never understand,they will come back with the different question on the same subject.

I would like to mention followings:confused:

:confused:-Buddha married at the age of 16 to his wife the same age.in current time even 16 years is considered to be non eligible to marry in our buddhist country.what they do say abt this??

:confused:-he left his wife during her labour, is it a good path which he provided to his believers?? I doubt so..he made wife and child suffered , is it reasonable?

:confused:-what they do say abt not marrying..being single alone till they die..is it correct? can it be good for the peaceful life???

:confused:-Budhha enjoyed a normal life, only eventually he went for searching truth.but now what u people are doing...?
just making small boys and girls monks/bikhu by seeing their fortune(hadehane) who even dont know what is the meaning of life.?isnt this child abuse???????????????????:rolleyes:

and these people are telling that they came from lion which is the most funniest thing i ever heard in my life.
anyway it is proven by the following doing.
they send their wives to abroad while they just stay in home enjoying what their wives send them, same like how the lions do while their female lion go for hunting for food.!!:D

 
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:confused:-Buddha married at the age of 16 to his wife the same age.in current time even 16 years is considered to be non eligible to marry in our buddhist country.what they do say abt this??
Well, even though he was 16, Prince Siddhartha married a girl of his same age (not a child). The eligible age to be married is 18 - this is the present law ..... this was not the law in about 2500 years ago and those days the age of 16 was known as the suitable age to be married. There are so many historical evidence that proves most people got married at the age of 16, not only Siddhartha & Yashodhara. (Even King Ravana & Mandodhari was 16 when they got married)

:confused:-he left his wife during her labour, is it a good path which he provided to his believers?? I doubt so..he made wife and child suffered , is it reasonable?
Not exactly during the labour, but it was the day that the child (Rahula) was born. This action Siddhartha took may seem wrong for people who does not have a clear idea about how valuable Buddhism is than a marriage life. He left (more likely sacrificed) his family in order to help many more & he was way successful in his work .... therefore, no need to discuss this any further based on lame points such as ''he left his wife & child to suffer'' (After all Yashodhara & Rahula attained Nirvana & put the end to the real suffering)

:confused:-what they do say abt not marrying..being single alone till they die..is it correct? can it be good for the peaceful life???
Its one's choice, whether to be married or not. There is nothing correct or wrong about it. Not marrying means no bonds.....life is simple, and for some one who is willing to reach the enlightenment, it is such a relief as long as they have no bonds, boundaries and responsibilities. You may have not realized it, but a single life can be very peaceful than a marriage life (This depends on person to person though, what our culture & religion have explained about human life was correct, is correct and it will suit for the future as well. This has been already proven my the large number of youths who have started to follow Buddhism than it was in the past)

:confused:-Budhha enjoyed a normal life, only eventually he went for searching truth.but now what u people are doing...?
just making small boys and girls monks/bikhu by seeing their fortune(hadehane) who even dont know what is the meaning of life.?isnt this child abuse???????????????????:rolleyes:
You may not know that there is a rule in Buddhism, that a child can not be included to Sangha Sasana (Become a monk) without the parents' permission. I think by becoming a monk they gain a better opportunity than us to learn ''What is the meaning of life'' since Buddha was the only person who gave a proper, wide and such a truthful explanation about life. So if these little monks following buddha's path, you do not have to worry about their life at all ...... And this is not child abuse, This is the Land of Buddha, so don't bring any western crap here to talk about human rights, Which doesn't even work for those countries either.

and these people are telling that they came from lion which is the most funniest thing i ever heard in my life.
anyway it is proven by the following doing.
they send their wives to abroad while they just stay in home enjoying what their wives send them, same like how the lions do while their female lion go for hunting for food.!!:D

Yaa, about this, We Sinhalese are not coming from a lion. The Mahawansa tells this nice fairy tale about a lion & a princess and their kids looked like half human-half lion with a tail (just like the story comes in Greek mythology where princess Pasiphaé fell in love with a bull & have a child named Minotaur). By the way the only place we can find this story is in Mahawansa which was written by an Indian monk (He was from Kalinga, where the people who always wanted to destroy Sri Lanka & buddhism). Therefore, this lion story is no more acceptable when talk about Sinhala origin. Sinhala is the combination of Siv Hela (Yakka, Naga, Raksha & Asura). There fore you can keep this fairy tale as a bed time story for your kids in your so called peaceful marriage life.
 

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Well, even though he was 16, Prince Siddhartha married a girl of his same age (not a child). The eligible age to be married is 18 - this is the present law ..... this was not the law in about 2500 years ago and those days the age of 16 was known as the suitable age to be married. There are so many historical evidence that proves most people got married at the age of 16, not only Siddhartha & Yashodhara. (Even King Ravana & Mandodhari was 16 when they got married)

tthanks for ur clear reply and this is what we are telling regard prophet marrying aysha (R.A).those time it was normal and happened in arab culture.the purpose of his marriage is to tell the muslims that they can marry the daughter of any1's best friend not that muslims should marry 9 year old girls. that time arab culture conseidered best friend is like own brother and marrying the daughter is like a sin.
i know what ur telling and i am brave enough to understand but there are some ediots keep telling about prophet so that reply is for those fools.!!also the reason about his marrieage u can read i love srilanka post.
when some body is argueing 9 year old should not get married then even it should be argued for 16 years as our country law says the minimum age is 18.but in this forum its not so.:rolleyes:



Not exactly during the labour, but it was the day that the child (Rahula) was born. This action Siddhartha took may seem wrong for people who does not have a clear idea about how valuable Buddhism is than a marriage life. He left (more likely sacrificed) his family in order to help many more & he was way successful in his work .... therefore, no need to discuss this any further based on lame points such as ''he left his wife & child to suffer'' (After all Yashodhara & Rahula attained Nirvana & put the end to the real suffering)

yes...its for ur view.prophet was a well human being and there are many famous people who read about the life of prophet (S.A.W) and learned about this great man.but some just highlighting about his marriages and trying to show a bad picture about our beloved prophet.Alphonse de Lamartine
(1790-1869) French poet and statesman.
Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?
Translated from* Histoire De La Turquie*, Paris, 1854, vol. II, pp. 276-277




Its one's choice, whether to be married or not. There is nothing correct or wrong about it. Not marrying means no bonds.....life is simple, and for some one who is willing to reach the enlightenment, it is such a relief as long as they have no bonds, boundaries and responsibilities. You may have not realized it, but a single life can be very peaceful than a marriage life (This depends on person to person though, what our culture & religion have explained about human life was correct, is correct and it will suit for the future as well. This has been already proven my the large number of youths who have started to follow Buddhism than it was in the past)


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this video is about a swami who claimed that he attained enlightment who promote and advice people about the holiness and happiness of being a single life.search google for swami nithyananden.


You may not know that there is a rule in Buddhism, that a child can not be included to Sangha Sasana (Become a monk) without the parents' permission. I think by becoming a monk they gain a better opportunity than us to learn ''What is the meaning of life'' since Buddha was the only person who gave a proper, wide and such a truthful explanation about life. So if these little monks following buddha's path, you do not have to worry about their life at all ...... And this is not child abuse, This is the Land of Buddha, so don't bring any western crap here to talk about human rights, Which doesn't even work for those countries either.

i know very well about the permission of parents and this is what we are telling about prophet marring aysha (R.A).when its in islam u call as child abuse and when we reply as how u did its blah!! blah!! and blah for u.:rolleyes:

Yaa, about this, We Sinhalese are not coming from a lion. The Mahawansa tells this nice fairy tale about a lion & a princess and their kids looked like half human-half lion with a tail (just like the story comes in Greek mythology where princess Pasiphaé fell in love with a bull & have a child named Minotaur). By the way the only place we can find this story is in Mahawansa which was written by an Indian monk (He was from Kalinga, where the people who always wanted to destroy Sri Lanka & buddhism). Therefore, this lion story is no more acceptable when talk about Sinhala origin. Sinhala is the combination of Siv Hela (Yakka, Naga, Raksha & Asura). There fore you can keep this fairy tale as a bed time story for your kids in your so called peaceful marriage life.

this is good to know and please educate the sinhala brothers coz there are people who bosting about their lion blood coz they think the story of this fairy tale is true.and i never want these stories for my kids as i have many stories which will my kids to help understand the real world and life.so those lion stories and santa stories are good for u people.best of luck and cheers!!!!
 

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this is good to know and please educate the sinhala brothers coz there are people who bosting about their lion blood coz they think the story of this fairy tale is true.and i never want these stories for my kids as i have many stories which will my kids to help understand the real world and life.so those lion stories and santa stories are good for u people.best of luck and cheers!!!!
what about almighty stories? :rolleyes: arnt they sound like fairytales to yur rational minds
 

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this is good to know and please educate the sinhala brothers coz there are people who bosting about their lion blood coz they think the story of this fairy tale is true.and i never want these stories for my kids as i have many stories which will my kids to help understand the real world and life.so those lion stories and santa stories are good for u people.best of luck and cheers!!!!

you can teach this story for your kids..:D

 

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Thank you very much, its a good story for my daughter as to grow up her in a right manner with modesty..likewise no one should even think about committing adultery

I sincerely wish your daughter commits adultery and you have to join with others in stoning your own daughter to death.

Be glad that you live in Sri Lanka- Muslims are not allowed to do that kind of stuff here. So you can talk of it in this manner.
 

njsa

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I sincerely wish your daughter commits adultery and you have to join with others in stoning your own daughter to death.

Be glad that you live in Sri Lanka- Muslims are not allowed to do that kind of stuff here. So you can talk of it in this manner.

I don't think my daughter will do the adultery, if she is grew up in the Islamic environment. of course if somebody did so she/he has to be punished regardless of relation.though they are punished now, their sin will be forgiven by God and get the rewards in hereafter.

You will feel the implication practically when your wife commit adultery with someone else...then i love to see your reaction..
 

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I don't think my daughter will do the adultery, if she is grew up in the Islamic environment. of course if somebody did so she/he has to be punished regardless of relation.though they are punished now, their sin will be forgiven by God and get the rewards in hereafter.

You will feel the implication practically when your wife commit adultery with someone else...then i love to see your reaction..

The woman in the story apparently believed in Islam and Allah's apostle, right? And this rule is still there in Islamic countries and we hear of news about women who committed adultery, so don't keep unnecessarily high hopes.

Yeah, I know simply because of the religion parents let their children to be killed. I don't approve of it.

The God will forgive, but the humans won't, eh?:rolleyes:

If your partner doesn't want you, then he or she doesn't want you. If he/she is interested in someone else, then he/she is interested in someone else. Why do you have to punish them? I can understand an individual taking revenge; I can understand the social system punishing someone who has raped another( such as the Arabs who rape the house maids); this killing is something I can't understand. You are anyway going to lose him/her, why not let him/her live, with someone he/she loves?

When my wife commits adultery, well, :P