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[Mujaahid]

All prediction cant be correct, I thought you are a matured person, I over estimated of your knowledge.see greek,roman and others also predicted I know.but out of which they predicted some was correct and even some was wrong also.NO one was 100% perfectly correct, then how come only Quran predicted everything correctly...

actually what happen here is you underestimate my knowledge and you were stuck on my explanations..
you cheaters change the verses of koran to avoid shame on modern world. it is just as a full of myth storis as i said earlier.. and it promote violence to human hearts. wait i will give you more ...

 

[I love Srilanka]

actually what happen here is you underestimate my knowledge and you were stuck on my explanations..


Sorry to say I can't be without laughing!! U have no choice but to reply likethis.though i replied many points again neither u rejected or accepted it...this is what u & your people are doing in this forum, You will come like TIGER(only thought) to beat us with some quotation, when we reply for everything, u have no choice than replying something and go away from topic slowly like CAT, I predict in advance you will start abusing islam very soon,may be in next reply as u went out of option.


you cheaters change the verses of koran to avoid shame on modern world. it is just as a full of myth storis as i said earlier.. and it promote violence to human hearts. wait i will give you more ...

Who is cheater? you people?..we don't require to change any versus at all.only revelation which has maintained its original purity is Quran.and even Allah promised in Quran he will protect from corruption. it is you people Quote the versus out of context, and change the versus in order to criticize in favour of u....mmm!! it promotes violence, so many time we answered this for your same accusation...I don't mind waiting for you, u can give anything coz we are not feared abt our religion as it is completely perfect, unlike other religions.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Ancient, I would like to give some answer with regard to your post..

There are so many things wrong about this answer, but I'm not gonna talk about it. Because the point you are trying to make has nothing to do with the my original question.

I did not ask anyone to prove GOD exists. I asked what make you think your GOD is the true GOD? Why can't it be Christian GOD? So it seems like the argument you have is that it is written in quran so my GOD is true. Fine, but bible is an argument to say Christian GOD is the true GOD, Torah says jewish GOD is true. Each of these claims have the same credibility. So I don't really see a reason for anyone to think Allah is the true GOD.

God is only One, this is what all the revelations claimed.will discuss about christinity and islam for eg.."I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
"I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

This is what is mentioned in Quran as well,"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only. "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. "He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him." [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

and the God talk in the Quran abt the prophets including the Moses and Jesus,and further contains and talking abt following.
1-To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger. (Qur'an 35:24 and 13:7)

2-25 Prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an

3-Islam is the only non-Christian faith that believes in Jesus (pbuh)

4-Stories only of some prophets mentioned in Qur'an (Qur'an 4:164 and 40:78)

5-More than 1,24,000 Messengers according to Hadith

6-Previous Messengers were only sent for their people and nation and their complete message was meant only for a particular time period.

7-Moses (pbuh) was only sent for the Jews.

8-Jesus (pbuh) sent only for the Jews i.e. lost sheep of Israel.
Al-Qur'an 3:49, Mathew 10:5-6, Mathew 15:24

9-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last and Final Messenger for the Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur'an 33:40, Al-Qur'an 21:107, Al-Qur'an 34:28

10-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Bible.
Al-Qur'an 7:157
Al-Qur'an 61:6
Deuteronomy 18:18
Isaiah 29:12
Song of Solomon 5:16
John 16:7
John 16:12-14

Revelations of God

a-Several Revelations sent by Allah – Al-Qur'an 13:38.
By name only four are mentioned in the Qur’an.

b-The Qur’an is the Last and Final Revelation.

c-All previous Revelations before Qur'an were only sent for a particular group of people and for a particular time period.

d-The Qur’an was Revealed for the Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur'an 14:1, 14:52, 2:185, 39:41

taking in to consideration of all the above, it is clear Quran is the last & final revelation of God.GOD is only one,in all the ages he sent his revelation. but only human being made the sect and started making different god.

You believe that because you were born muslim and you don't don't know anything better. Other than that you have no claim to say Allah is the one and true GOD.

not true, all revelation talking abt only 1 God, though it is called in different names.

You try to talk about atheists, but you fail to see that they are so similar to you. There are hundreds of GODs people worship in earth. You don't believe in 99 of them, you only believe in one GOD. Atheists just don't believe in 1 less GOD than you.

for the mathematical calculation, it can be only 1less. but it is significant difference for argument, we have faith on God, atheist don't believe in God.both r opposite.

The idea I'm trying to convey here is deep. But you will understand it only if you dare to think out of the box for a moment. You have no reason to believe your GOD is the true GOD. All claims of GOD are valid equally. There's no way to prove or no way to disprove. What if Muhhamed was wrong? What if the GODS real prophet is jesus??

As i told you in first answer,Jesus also prophet of the God we never denied that, and as Quran and Jesus say Prophet mohammed was the final messenger.

And man, a book is not something that you can present as a proof of GOD. If you can't get pass that thinking, no point talking.

Book can be used for proof of God,as we can't rely on science to prove the God.some time science are taking U turn. if u r reluctant to take revelation to prove the God.then first analyse and research that particular book and decide whether it is correct and logic, and if u feel logic then think who would have mentioned many things thousand of years ago, which are not even discovered by sceintist or recently discovered by scientist.

 

[AncientGlory]

and if there is a GOD he can change his word.. he want give a final word rit after all he is god.. this people are brainwashed from birth..
thats the case..

Since you do not believe in GOD there is no way you can define these are his qualities. All you can do is go by whatever definition given by someone who does. In this context you saying "If there is a GOD he can change his word" is wrong.

Anyway I know what you mean.

 

[AncientGlory]

Ancient, I would like to give some answer with regard to your post..

Thanks, I'll get back to you on this.

 

[brave]

There are so many things wrong about this answer, but I'm not gonna talk about it. Because the point you are trying to make has nothing to do with the my original question.

I did not ask anyone to prove GOD exists. I asked what make you think your GOD is the true GOD? Why can't it be Christian GOD? So it seems like the argument you have is that it is written in quran so my GOD is true. Fine, but bible is an argument to say Christian GOD is the true GOD, Torah says jewish GOD is true. Each of these claims have the same credibility. So I don't really see a reason for anyone to think Allah is the true GOD.

You believe that because you were born muslim and you don't don't know anything better. Other than that you have no claim to say Allah is the one and true GOD.

You try to talk about atheists, but you fail to see that they are so similar to you. There are hundreds of GODs people worship in earth. You don't believe in 99 of them, you only believe in one GOD. Atheists just don't believe in 1 less GOD than you.

The idea I'm trying to convey here is deep. But you will understand it only if you dare to think out of the box for a moment. You have no reason to believe your GOD is the true GOD. All claims of GOD are valid equally. There's no way to prove or no way to disprove. What if Muhhamed was wrong? What if the GODS real prophet is jesus??

And man, a book is not something that you can present as a proof of GOD. If you can't get pass that thinking, no point talking.

u just think that i follow islam coz i a born muslim.but dont u know there are many people who come to islam after they learn. a christian buddhist or a hindu get contraditions with there faith and try to find the solution.atlast end up becoming a muslim.and i am sure every person born as muslim will have the same question like u asked.but whenever we try to find the answer we get all clear and get too much to the religion than before as it has answers to everything. so i think u have to come out of box and think what if the one true god and and prophet mMuhammed is correct!!
it is mentioned in every scripture(bible tripitaka and in veda's of a upcoming awtar,buddah and a prophet) and the qualies mentioned about him matches with prophet muhammed. i had met a buddhist and a christian who came to islam after just knowing that. u know god will show all the sign for the right path.but people will just ignore it.even the time of prophet there were people like that as they dont wont to stop worshipping their idols.

i know for ur question i wrote something which u didnt expected. as for an athiest he need science to prove of his claim we need our scriptures to show the proves. if u dont believe in our scripture first we should clear that.secondly can talk about the god and prophet.thats why i posted something about the quran so u can know why we use quran to prove our claim and how people accepted islam at the first place where no science or anyhting to prove quran that quran is from god.

as ur telling that other religion have a concept of many gods -there is no such a thing like that.
in hinduism it clearly says" ekyem evidithyem" which means that god is one.many god concept is just a man made thing.
in bible there is no where mentioned about trinity but yet they believe about a concept of trinity.

i dont know ur an athest or not thats why i asked u.coz for an athiest science is important prove his statement.and for a believer he need he his scripture to prove his claim.

 

[brave]

nivana is not a place and its a kind of a final level of improvement of the mind as buddhism said. so its foolish to ask prove nivana from science. as example can science prove that your mind has that much of lust, angry, kindness and so on. first you have to understand what science is. its based on experimentation, observation and final conclusion.

earth dont want to be proven but what about heaven and demons. you knowin upper limit science just only a distance of ten to the power 47 like distance. and from lower boundry its ten to the power -22 some thing like that. if something exist beyond that limit can science prove it.. further und: if you divide something into little peices you will stop @ electrons or nuclie. so the buddha said that gods and demons has very tiny bodies that cant be observe my human eye. and their exist inthis univers. even though the science cant prove that their are field exist in science about ghosts, aliens like things.





then i wonder why today muslims try to prove quran by science. i saw some words like science miracles in koran, bigban like things.why???
what happen if science change tomorrow, will koran also be boom...

1. tell me where is buddah now. where is heaven and hell mentioned in ur thripitaka.
2. where are the demons gods mentioned in ur faith....
3. can u prove all these things............

and i dont know u are a this much dumb ass.cant u understand why muslims use science to prove islam.
science belive by every human.a muslim,buddhist,jew and a christian believe in science.so we use scientific facts which proved 100% correct with quran.

 

[brave]

nivana is not a place and its a kind of a final level of improvement of the mind as buddhism said. so its foolish to ask prove nivana from science. as example can science prove that your mind has that much of lust, angry, kindness and so on. first you have to understand what science is. its based on experimentation, observation and final conclusion.

earth dont want to be proven but what about heaven and demons. you knowin upper limit science just only a distance of ten to the power 47 like distance. and from lower boundry its ten to the power -22 some thing like that. if something exist beyond that limit can science prove it.. further und: if you divide something into little peices you will stop @ electrons or nuclie. so the buddha said that gods and demons has very tiny bodies that cant be observe my human eye. and their exist inthis univers. even though the science cant prove that their are field exist in science about ghosts, aliens like things.





then i wonder why today muslims try to prove quran by science. i saw some words like science miracles in koran, bigban like things.why???
what happen if science change tomorrow, will koran also be boom...

1. tell me where is buddah now. where is heaven and hell mentioned in ur thripitaka.
2. where are the demons gods mentioned in ur faith....
3. can u prove all these things............

for all these u just mentioned that its beyond the limit where science couldnt prove.this is the same thing we are telling brother.just wake up before its too late.

and i dont know u are a this much dumb ass.cant u understand why muslims use science to prove islam.
science belive by every human.a muslim,buddhist,jew and a christian believe in science.so we use scientific facts which proved 100% correct with quran.

 

[Mujaahid]

1. tell me where is buddah now. where is heaven and hell mentioned in ur thripitaka.
2. where are the demons gods mentioned in ur faith....
3. can u prove all these things............

for all these u just mentioned that its beyond the limit where science couldnt prove.this is the same thing we are telling brother.just wake up before its too late.

and i dont know u are a this much dumb ass.cant u understand why muslims use science to prove islam.
science belive by every human.a muslim,buddhist,jew and a christian believe in science.so we use scientific facts which proved 100% correct with quran.

1- journey is over for the supreme budhdha, no birth for him what is called nirvana.

2- demonds are gods are living on universe..

3- such a normal human like me how to prove super natural things . but we dont tell lies like you and not change thripitaka verses as you change koran now

dont say that quran 100% match with science. its a insult for great scientist ofcourse

 

[AncientGlory]

Ancient, I would like to give some answer with regard to your post..

God is only One, this is what all the revelations claimed.will discuss about christinity and islam for eg.."I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
"I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

This is what is mentioned in Quran as well,"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only. "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. "He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him." [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

and the God talk in the Quran abt the prophets including the Moses and Jesus,and further contains and talking abt following.
1-To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger. (Qur'an 35:24 and 13:7)

2-25 Prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an

3-Islam is the only non-Christian faith that believes in Jesus (pbuh)

4-Stories only of some prophets mentioned in Qur'an (Qur'an 4:164 and 40:78)

5-More than 1,24,000 Messengers according to Hadith

6-Previous Messengers were only sent for their people and nation and their complete message was meant only for a particular time period.

7-Moses (pbuh) was only sent for the Jews.

8-Jesus (pbuh) sent only for the Jews i.e. lost sheep of Israel.
Al-Qur'an 3:49, Mathew 10:5-6, Mathew 15:24

9-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last and Final Messenger for the Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur'an 33:40, Al-Qur'an 21:107, Al-Qur'an 34:28

10-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Bible.
Al-Qur'an 7:157
Al-Qur'an 61:6
Deuteronomy 18:18
Isaiah 29:12
Song of Solomon 5:16
John 16:7
John 16:12-14

Revelations of God

a-Several Revelations sent by Allah – Al-Qur'an 13:38.
By name only four are mentioned in the Qur’an.

b-The Qur’an is the Last and Final Revelation.

c-All previous Revelations before Qur'an were only sent for a particular group of people and for a particular time period.

d-The Qur’an was Revealed for the Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur'an 14:1, 14:52, 2:185, 39:41

taking in to consideration of all the above, it is clear Quran is the last & final revelation of God.GOD is only one,in all the ages he sent his revelation. but only human being made the sect and started making different god.

As i told you in first answer,Jesus also prophet of the God we never denied that, and as Quran and Jesus say Prophet mohammed was the final messenger.

Taken from quaran. So it seems that the reason you believe your GOD is the true GOD is because it is written in your book right?

for the mathematical calculation, it can be only 1less. but it is significant difference for argument, we have faith on God, atheist don't believe in God.both r opposite.

True

Book can be used for proof of God

A book cannot be used to prove anything. What is written in a book can be used, provided they are reasonable, logical and authentic. But still for the sake of argument assume you can use a book to prove GODs existence. So that means bible is a proof for Christian GOD. They claim your GOD is false. what reason do you have to say they are wrong?(Apart from the fact it is written in your BOOK)

as we can't rely on science to prove the God.

You sure can't. Science is logical. GOD is not.

then first analyse and research that particular book and decide whether it is correct and logic,

I have done this on quaran and find it highly illogical. One simple example
Sura 51:49
And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

and if u feel logic then think who would have mentioned many things thousand of years ago, which are not even discovered by sceintist or recently discovered by scientist.

First time I heard this. Quaran mentioned scientific things? Care to give ONE example?

 

[AncientGlory]

u just think that i follow islam coz i a born muslim.

Yes.

but dont u know there are many people who come to islam after they learn.

I know but I was not talking about them, I was talking about you.

a christian buddhist or a hindu get contraditions with there faith and try to find the solution.

There is no faith in buddhism or hinduism. Faith is a word you use to provide an answer to something you can't explain. It has no part in buddhism or hinduism to the best of my knowledge.

atlast end up becoming a muslim.

I didn't know that. But I've never met anyone converted to Islam in person. But I've met many people who are Christians,Buddhists who have doubts, they are still not muslim.

and i am sure every person born as muslim will have the same question like u asked.

Yes they do, thank you for admitting that. You are the first person in this forum who admitted muslims too get doubts. But they do not speak of it publicly coz its forbidden. However I've met people who talk about their doubts anonymously. It showed me that there are some muslims, who dare to think rationally.

but whenever we try to find the answer we get all clear and get too much to the religion than before as it has answers to everything.

Define "WE" here. I think you are talking about you. You can't speak for everyone else. I know muslims who don't think the way you do. I know many non muslims who don't find answers to anything in Islam.

so i think u have to come out of box and think what if the one true god and and prophet mMuhammed is correct!!

Well I was really open minded when I studied the life of Muhammad. I found him to be an immoral,cruel man.

it is mentioned in every scripture(bible tripitaka and in veda's of a upcoming awtar,buddah and a prophet)

What is mentioned in bible,tripitaka and veda?

i know for ur question i wrote something which u didnt expected.

Not at all. Heard the same thing hundreds of times. The question can be anything, but most of the time the answer provided is the same.(I'm suprised that you didn't say it is written in our book yet)

as for an athiest he need science to prove of his claim

You have no idea what an atheist is I guess. Most atheists I've met do not need to prove anything. They just mind their business, but if the a religion proves to be harmful, they act. Because they care about humanity. They don't need science. They accept things that make sense and logic.

we need our scriptures to show the proves.

Of course you need it. You don't have anything else.(There you go, you mentioned your BOOK)

if u dont believe in our scripture first we should clear that.

Please do so. Clear my doubts.

secondly can talk about the god and prophet.thats why i posted something about the quran so u can know why we use quran to prove our claim and how people accepted islam at the first place where no science or anyhting to prove quran that quran is from god.

So you use quran to prove quran is true? How intellectual. You know pastafarians have a gospel, which they use to prove that Universe was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The book says

(1)This book is true.

So it has to be right? I mean the book says it is true. No one can deny that.

(2)Everything was created by the flying Spaghetti monster.

So that has to be true. I mean the book says it. So where does that put allah??

For the last time, think for yourself and understand, a book is not a proof for anything just because it says so.

as ur telling that other religion have a concept of many gods -there is no such a thing like that.

Firstly you clearly misunderstood what I said. I did not say there are many GODS in each religion. I said there are many religions that believe in GOD, so there are many different GOD definitions.
Secondly yes there is such a thing like that. Here are few examples of religions that believe in polytheism. paganism(some parts -Neo,Germanic),Chinese Folk Religion, Ancient Roman Religion, Ancient Egyptian Religions, and Hinduism.

in hinduism it clearly says" ekyem evidithyem" which means that god is one.

Clearly you don't know much about Hinduism. I have studied this to some extent, So I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you. I know what I'm talking about. If you are interested, do some research.

many god concept is just a man made thing.

Now this sentence carries the entire point of my question. You believe that most GOD concepts are man made. Yet you don't see that maybe your GOD concept was also man made. You don't see that every man who belongs to those different GOD concepts says, Allah is a man made thing. It is ok for you to believe what you believe. But how can you say what others believe in is not true and what you believe in is right?

in bible there is no where mentioned about trinity but yet they believe about a concept of trinity.

Bible is not equal to religion. I was talking about religions. Not bible. There are many religions in the world other than Islam,Christianity,Buddhism and Hinduism.

i dont know ur an athest or not thats why i asked u.

What is your definition of an atheist? I may or may not fall in your category. But I think it is safe for you to assume that I'm an atheist. But your assumption does not give you the right to say what I believe and what I do not believe. I define my own beliefs.

coz for an athiest science is important prove his statement.

You cannot speak for atheists. You don't know what is important to them or not. The only claim you can do on an atheist is he does not believe in GOD.

and for a believer he need he his scripture to prove his claim.

Again, what else he has to go with? Without scriptures he has nothing.

 

[diamonddrago]

LMAO...i love how some People like to break apart a Post in a lame attempt to disrupt the post....

sorry to say this guys....but i as a person fathom "taking apart" another person's post like that and then just replying some BS....i think that is a rude habit.....and makes reading the posts difficult and tiresome....

use the whole post and keep the context intact when you reply to a post.....

otherwise don't bother...this thread is for polite ppl who want to clear up or confirm their mis/conceptions of Islam....

not a freaking debate club....

if you morons think you can somehow magically make us see something wrong in OUR OWN RELIGION....your barking up the wrong tree....better ppl than YOU have probably tried the same thing(s)....for thousands of years....so far....nothing......

a person's religion be it a Muslim....a Buddhist etc etc is based on belief.....

ITS CALLED BELIEVING FOR A REASON.....to everyone their own religion makes the most sense & answers the right questions etc....and Islam is not some exception to this rule.........no matter how hard you squint your eyes and dream....

 

[AncientGlory]

LMAO. Same barking I hear over and over when one see that maybe even though he comes up bragging he has answers, then end up not being able to answer. I meet jokers like that everyday.

People babbling of pointless words does not make my question less valid or the fact that they can't answer them.

Apart from being able to understand what is the issue, if some people have actually try to read, they'll see certain posts are not addressed to them, and as the request in the first post, some posts addressed to them only have one simple question.

If one cannot answer questions, maybe he shouldnt have began a thread saying "I'll answer your questions, bring it on".

When some people feel threatened, they tend to utter words that does not make any sense and try to blame others who were not even addressing them. That is a defense mechanism common among people who belong to a certain religion.

Thanks and I'm out of the thread. Good luck to the rest of you guys who want to push this jokers buttons. When you get to a point where you ask a question he can't answer, expect to hear a joke like the previous post..

 

[brave]

Yes.

im very sorry brother...but ur wrong.i am a good muslim who knows what it teaches.and mojotrity of the muslims are like that.u just have some imaginations in ur mind and just arguing over that.

I know but I was not talking about them, I was talking about you.

u didnt talk about me.but u generally told that all the muslims are following because of their forfathers.thats why i asked that even there are people who learn and come to our faith.if any non muslim went to his scripture will learn about one true god and his prophet (SAW)

There is no faith in buddhism or hinduism. Faith is a word you use to provide an answer to something you can't explain. It has no part in buddhism or hinduism to the best of my knowledge.

faith is a feeling.that doesnt mean that there is no such a thing.as earlier some one told here its like teaching colours to blind person.even athiest have faith that there is no god.....faith is a thing people like you cant understand.the word faith not limited to talk about religion.first u told god is a man made thing and now faith

I didn't know that. But I've never met anyone converted to Islam in person. But I've met many people who are Christians,Buddhists who have doubts, they are still not muslim.

i daily meet people who converted from Christianity, Buddhism.some have doubt as u said but they dont want to learn.if they seek the truth defenietly they will know the truth.may be they have doubt but never want to find the answer.so its up to them.

Yes they do, thank you for admitting that. You are the first person in this forum who admitted muslims too get doubts. But they do not speak of it publicly coz its forbidden. However I've met people who talk about their doubts anonymously. It showed me that there are some muslims, who dare to think rationally.


i never thought u are a hyporite like that who misquoted my reply as how many people doing here to fight with islam.to day i got to know that there is no different between u and them.
see what i said....

and i am sure every person born as muslim will have the same question like u asked.but whenever we try to find the answer we get all clear and get too much to the religion than before as it has answers to everything.
i never used the word doubt.[/COLOR]


u think that islam not allowed to ask question about the religion!!
because u think do u think u have to be correct! and its allowed to ask quesions publicly.how can u just say these type of things without any base.u know after a every lecture of zakir naik there is a question and answer section.if u think asking question in islam what about zakir naik...isnt he not practising islam????????

also do u know at the time of prophet everytime after a salah(prayer) they gathered and discuss about religion.some just ask questions and he replied.
islam allowed to discuss about religion with others believers in a good and peacefull manner.may be you got this from pitiye appu website.but he is wrong.


Define "WE" here. I think you are talking about you. You can't speak for everyone else. I know muslims who don't think the way you do. I know many non muslims who don't find answers to anything in Islam.

no,i can define in this way..u dont know anything about islam.it teaches about everything and what ever doubt they have get clear if they seek for the answer.even here what ever we say ur not willing to accept but just misquoting the sentences and playing word games.so thats the wrong in non believers.
if a non muslim cant find the answer means that he never studied in a correct way.islam is the most propogate religion in the world.but yet if anyone willing to know the truth and listen with an open mind will understand islam.

Well I was really open minded when I studied the life of Muhammad. I found him to be an immoral,cruel man.

i am sure u didnt read it with a open mind.may be u thought to do in that way but in side ur mind u had haterate toward muslim and prophet for sure.if u have time just watch a movie call the message in youtube.u can have a summerise knowledge about his life.Alhamdulillah we read and very much happy and proud to call him as our prophet(SAW).even there are famous great non muslims who admire prophet muhammed and his life.

and do u think ghandhi is a person who loved innocency ?
he admired prophet muhammed.what do u think about that....why ghandhi said like that..i can quote many grate people here but talking about ghandhi is easy here.
why prophet mentioned as the most influenced man on earth....

if u think about him in that way its upto you.prabakeran is a terrorist for srilankans and a hero to tamils.everything in the sight.u heard about prophet from anti islamic people so u had a picture in ur mind.so what ever u read doesnt matter to u.

What is mentioned in bible,tripitaka and veda?

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Not at all. Heard the same thing hundreds of times. The question can be anything, but most of the time the answer provided is the same.(I'm suprised that you didn't say it is written in our book yet)

yeah..just thought to give an idea of the begining of religion.a brave man will understand it in one shot and a ignorance person wont even after 100 times.

You have no idea what an atheist is I guess. Most atheists I've met do not need to prove anything. They just mind their business, but if the a religion proves to be harmful, they act. Because they care about humanity. They don't need science. They accept things that make sense and logic.[/FONT]

so u want me to say that an athiest never belive in science.?why u think they dont have to prove.they should say there side of the story.the reason why they think that god never exist in this world.may be u dont know there are athiest who insult other faiths and think they are correct.so if they think like that they should prove it as well.

Of course you need it. You don't have anything else.(There you go, you mentioned your BOOK)

yes.as a beliver of islam quran is very important to us.so i dont mind what ever u say i know the accuracy of my book unlike other scriptures.who ever challenge to debate over quran always failed to prove it.also do u know that quran challenge to prove it wrong.watch the debate of zakir naik with william campbell.

as how we quote from quran u can use the same quran to prove wrong and u can easily win(not by misquoting.so dont over joy)
put some reasons why u think quran is not the word of god.so we can discuss.

Please do so. Clear my doubts.


i am willing to do it if u like to know.


deefenietly. will discuss it.u start asking question.i will reply u

So you use quran to prove quran is true? How intellectual. You know pastafarians have a gospel, which they use to prove that Universe was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The book says

(1)This book is true.

So it has to be right? I mean the book says it is true. No one can deny that.

(2)Everything was created by the flying Spaghetti monster.

So that has to be true. I mean the book says it. So where does that put allah??

really.??????//////i know that spegathi monters very well.so dont bother wasting time in that with me.not becoz book says but u should see its correct or not.thats why learning is very important.

if u think the book is wrong you should ask the person who know about it.because u dont believe in it do i have to listen to u????????
that is the simple thing u have to do to defeat a beliver.


For the last time, think for yourself and understand, a book is not a proof for anything just because it says so.

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as long as its pure and authentic no harm believing in it.so prove me its wrong.book is not a proof but what it contains is a proof

Firstly you clearly misunderstood what I said. I did not say there are many GODS in each religion. I said there are many religions that believe in GOD, so there are many different GOD definitions.
Secondly yes there is such a thing like that. Here are few examples of religions that believe in polytheism. paganism(some parts -Neo,Germanic),Chinese Folk Religion, Ancient Roman Religion, Ancient Egyptian Religions, and Hinduism.



allah is an arabic word called for one god.so jew christian hindu(in there original scripture) and muslim believe in the same one god.no matter what name they call as long as there is one true god without idols.
god sent 124000 messengers to this world and guided.so may be people went apart with different belives. u know that jew know about the coming of jesus.like that all messengers mentioned about a upcoming prophet as the final.so there was a chain of prophets where god sent occationally.

Clearly you don't know much about Hinduism. I have studied this to some extent, So I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you. I know what I'm talking about. If you are interested, do some research.


i know about hinduism and even sri ravi shankar accepted about one god mentioned in their scriptures.hindus just worshiping dead people or animals.but if u go to the right sources u can find the correct hinduism.

Now this sentence carries the entire point of my question. You believe that most GOD concepts are man made. Yet you don't see that maybe your GOD concept was also man made. You don't see that every man who belongs to those different GOD concepts says, Allah is a man made thing. It is ok for you to believe what you believe. But how can you say what others believe in is not true and what you believe in is right?

we always learn about our religion and we get in to the religion than going away.we dont have any reason to think that its a man made one. tell me why u believe in god as u mentioned earlier.other belives fail to show their accuracy but quran does.our duty is to tell others about our faith.but no man can force to belive what i believe in.u prove me that allah is just a man made thing.can u??????
ur are answering with ignorance.



Bible is not equal to religion. I was talking about religions. Not bible. There are many religions in the world other than Islam,Christianity,Buddhism and Hinduism.
religion and scripture is like finger and nail.so dont need to separate that..
i didnt mention only about christianity but about hinduism judaism buddhism as well.
by just picking up words whom u are trying to fool here....
this is what most non muslims do with islam.they just misquote and argue.its really rubbish.shame on u.

What is your definition of an atheist? I may or may not fall in your category. But I think it is safe for you to assume that I'm an atheist. But your assumption does not give you the right to say what I believe and what I do not believe. I define my own beliefs.

eevrything u decide is final.there is no way i can talk and defend my self.ur an athiest or not i dont mind so what u assumed was not correct.see in every situation u just assuming and always wanted it to be the correct.i asked it to reply u more better.otherwise no difference u being a hindu,buddhist or a christian.


You cannot speak for atheists. You don't know what is important to them or not. The only claim you can do on an atheist is he does not believe in GOD.

of course i can ask prove for what he stand for.why not......


Again, what else he has to go with? Without scriptures he has nothing.

yes.as i said its like the finger and nails.for a believer scripture is important.so if anyone telling to talk about my religion without using the scripure...may be that man insane or fully drunk.

1.u want us to talk about religion without scriptures
2.u assuming that i guessed that ur an athiest so it make me easy to debate with u?
3.u think that what u learn about hinduism is the correct one?'
4.u think that alll the muslims are following islam becoz of their forfathers.
5.and u think what all u say is 100% correct.
and ur
1. wrong
2. wrong
3.wrong
4. wrong
and 5. WRONG.

 

[diamonddrago]

Ok, to sum it up..

The reason you know your GOD is the true GOD is because it is written in your book?

lol...well not exactly...i think its true...coz of the message the book conveys....

the very inception of the book....the date time and way it was brought forward....

and for the fact everyone seems gun-ho to try and disapprove it.....

desperation has a weird smell you see.....

and no....my parents did bring me up to be a Muslim....from the day i was born till i was around my mid-teens i left Islam and joined the atheist camp.....(coz of the way i saw some muslims behave...and the lies they told....like the classic...Neil Armstrong heard the muslim call for prayer on the moon and is now a muslim.....)

but around the beginning of my 2Os.....i had to read the Quran to answer a question one of my atheist friends wanted to know....and that was it...i was hooked on Islam....and rejoined my religion....

my parents never forced me to do anything....coz true Muslims know and accept that Islam is not about forcing things down ppls throats....

 

[diamonddrago]

LMAO. Same barking I hear over and over when one see that maybe even though he comes up bragging he has answers, then end up not being able to answer. I meet jokers like that everyday.

People babbling of pointless words does not make my question less valid or the fact that they can't answer them.

Apart from being able to understand what is the issue, if some people have actually try to read, they'll see certain posts are not addressed to them, and as the request in the first post, some posts addressed to them only have one simple question.

If one cannot answer questions, maybe he shouldnt have began a thread saying "I'll answer your questions, bring it on".

When some people feel threatened, they tend to utter words that does not make any sense and try to blame others who were not even addressing them. That is a defense mechanism common among people who belong to a certain religion.

Thanks and I'm out of the thread. Good luck to the rest of you guys who want to push this jokers buttons. When you get to a point where you ask a question he can't answer, expect to hear a joke like the previous post..

LMAO....oh MR. High and Mighty......if you read my previous posts you would see i had an Exam to study for...and said i would not be as active in EK.....

hence the lack of questions answered...and already Brave and several others were replying to your posts hence i stepped back...

typical...jumping to conclusions and dreaming up things....what you ASSUME isn't automatically true.....or contain an iota of sense.....

shouting at a brick wall just hurts your ears......

 

[brave]

1- journey is over for the supreme budhdha, no birth for him what is called nirvana.

2- demonds are gods are living on universe..

3- such a normal human like me how to prove super natural things . but we dont tell lies like you and not change thripitaka verses as you change koran now

dont say that quran 100% match with science. its a insult for great scientist ofcourse

1. that means what?????/ where the soul or what ever goes...what happen to that.
02. is there any proof for these demons and gods.science never discovered these type of things yet u believe in it BECAUSE ITS MENTIONED IN UR THRIPITAKA ANS BUDDAH SAID SO.
3- oh really so do u agree that a human couldnt proof the supernatural things...

i think u people where masks for time to time.how u blame muslms asking for proof about the super natural god....blaming about following quran when u all doing the same

u talk like that u experienced about everything what buddah said.

science matches with quran 75% and there are things still science couldnt find out.they will do it in future inshaallah!1

we neve r change the quran as u do.we have one book from the time of prophet till now.but u people are playing with the words not us.

 

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Taken from quaran. So it seems that the reason you believe your GOD is the true GOD is because it is written in your book right?

I feel you were ignorance to read my reply or have lack of understanding, though I mentioned abt the God & final messenger in the bible as well.it is not only in Quran, almost all of the scriptures say abt God and final coming of the prophet..so your reply is wrong here.


True

so what u mentioned is wrong.thanks..



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A book cannot be used to prove anything. What is written in a book can be used, provided they are reasonable, logical and authentic. But still for the sake of argument assume you can use a book to prove GODs existence. So that means bible is a proof for Christian GOD. They claim your GOD is false. what reason do you have to say they are wrong?(Apart from the fact it is written in your BOOK)

Come on man!, it is not merely book it is the final revelation which is even mentioned in bible as well, whatever mentioned in the Quran so far exactly matching with scientific established fact.then why don't u believe balance also will be established by science soon insha allah.Christians claim our God is wrong, as their current bible is manipulated,corrupted&fabricated. they have the concept of trinity though no where in the bible say abt this, even Jesus (pbuh) never asked christians to worship him,There is not even single statement where he himself ask Christians to worship him, it is his followers misunderstood the religion , over the period of time original bible which was revealed by Allah, is changed & fabricated.in spite of this reason Still Bible and Quran same with the concept of God apart from the Christians.



You sure can't. Science is logical. GOD is not.

What u mean by Science is logical? dont u feel, there manythings still to b found by science.to my knowledge what science discovered so far not even 30%, many things are still beyond their reach.for eg.What is mentioned in Quran still yet to be found by science, u can see below(i had posted earlier to some one i will post it again as it is relevant here)


I have done this on quaran and find it highly illogical. One simple example
Sura 51:49
And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

I don't understand what is your problem here.my request you to read the authentic source of Quran translation, not only translation if can,see the explanation (thafsir)as well, other wise it is likely u will misunderstand.see 51:49 what it says

And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.


Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And of all things (wa-min kulli shay’in is semantically connected to His [following] words khalaqnā) We created pairs, two kinds, such as male and female, heaven and earth, sun and moon, plain and mountain, summer and winter, sweet and bitter, light and darkness, that perhaps you might remember (tadhakkarūna: one of the two original tā’ letters [of tatadhakkarūna] has been omitted), and hence realise that the Creator of pairs is [Himself] Singular, that you might then worship him. http://quran.com/51/49


First time I heard this. Quaran mentioned scientific things? Care to give ONE example?

01-When I was in school I had learnt(I hope you too) that the earth and the planets they rotate about their axis, but I was taught that the Sun was fixed, it did not rotate about it is own axis. But the Holy Qur'an says in Surah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 33. It says: (Arabic)… ‘It is Allah who has created the night and the day, (Arabic)… the Sun and the Moon, (Arabic)… each one travelling in a orbit, with its own motion’.... Science only later proved this.

02-Previously we thought that the light of the Moon, is its own light. It is recently we discovered, that the light of the Moon is reflected light of the Sun. The Qur'an says in Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No. 61… ‘Blessed is He who has created the constellations in the sky, and placed therein a lamp, and Moon having borrowed light’. The Qur'an says in Surah Yunus, Ch. No. 10, Verse No. 5… ‘It is Allah who has created the Sun as a shining glory and the Moon having a reflection of light’


03-Holy Qur'an says in Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No 53, ‘It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water one sweet and palpable and the other salt and bitter, and between them there is a ‘Barzakh’, a barrier, which is forbidden to be trespassed’. The Qur'an repeats the message in Surah Rahman, Ch. No. 55, Verse No. 19 and 20, (Arabic)… that ‘It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water which meet and between them there is a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed’. The Arabic word ‘Barzakh’ means ‘a barrier’ and the Arabic statement… (Arabic) … means ‘the flowing bodies of water, they meet and mix’. Previously the commentators, they could not understand the two opposite description of the two bodies of flowing water. It says, ‘they meet and mix’, as well as it says… ‘there is a barrier between them’. Today we have come to know, with the help of science, that there is a slanting barrier between the two bodies of salt water and sweet water - between the salt sea, and the sweet sea


following are some examples for which mentioned in Quran, not yet established by science yet.

Surah Qiyamah, Ch. 75, Verse No.8 and 9, it says that… ‘the Moon will be burried in darkness - the Sun and the Moon will join together, before the world… our ends’. If you read Surah Takwir, Ch. 81, Verse No. 1 , 2, 3 and & Verse No. 6, it says that… ‘The sun will be folded up, the stars will fall down, the ocean will swell up, the mountains will fall down in utter ruin’. Qur’an says in Surah Infitar, Ch. 82, Verse No. 1, 2 and 3, it says… ‘the sky will be left asunder the star will be scattered, the mountains will be fallen down’. Various signs, how will the earth end is given. These are scientific points mentioned in the Qur’an, which Science has not established yet. For example, the Holy Qur’an also says in Surah Ambiya, Ch. 21, Verse No. 104, that… ‘As We created this creation…We will roll up the Heavens like a scroll is rolled up, and as we created the early creation, We shall create a new creation’. So Qur’an says…‘there is one more creation that is going to be created after the world is destroyed - Science does not know about that. Qur’an says the first man on the earth was Adam (Alai Salam) - Science has not discover that yet. Qur’an speaks about soul - Science has not established that human beings have got soul. The Holy Qur’an also speaks about Jinns, about Spirits, about Angels - Science has not been able to discover that. Qur’an speaks about life after death - Science has not discovered that. Qur’an speaks about ‘Heaven’ and ‘Hell’ - Science has not discovered about that

Brother, If u want more I can give hundreds of example.but what is the use? coz neither you will deny with some logic nor accept it.this is what is happening in this forum.coz no one of you is accepting anything as ego preventing you from accepting the truth.

 

[truthwatch]

01-When I was in school I had learnt(I hope you too) that the earth and the planets they rotate about their axis, but I was taught that the Sun was fixed, it did not rotate about it is own axis. But the Holy Qur'an says in Surah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 33. It says: (Arabic)… ‘It is Allah who has created the night and the day, (Arabic)… the Sun and the Moon, (Arabic)… each one travelling in a orbit, with its own motion’.... Science only later proved this.

02-Previously we thought that the light of the Moon, is its own light. It is recently we discovered, that the light of the Moon is reflected light of the Sun. The Qur'an says in Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No. 61… ‘Blessed is He who has created the constellations in the sky, and placed therein a lamp, and Moon having borrowed light’. The Qur'an says in Surah Yunus, Ch. No. 10, Verse No. 5… ‘It is Allah who has created the Sun as a shining glory and the Moon having a reflection of light’


03-Holy Qur'an says in Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No 53, ‘It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water one sweet and palpable and the other salt and bitter, and between them there is a ‘Barzakh’, a barrier, which is forbidden to be trespassed’. The Qur'an repeats the message in Surah Rahman, Ch. No. 55, Verse No. 19 and 20, (Arabic)… that ‘It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water which meet and between them there is a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed’. The Arabic word ‘Barzakh’ means ‘a barrier’ and the Arabic statement… (Arabic) … means ‘the flowing bodies of water, they meet and mix’. Previously the commentators, they could not understand the two opposite description of the two bodies of flowing water. It says, ‘they meet and mix’, as well as it says… ‘there is a barrier between them’. Today we have come to know, with the help of science, that there is a slanting barrier between the two bodies of salt water and sweet water - between the salt sea, and the sweet sea


following are some examples for which mentioned in Quran, not yet established by science yet.

Surah Qiyamah, Ch. 75, Verse No.8 and 9, it says that… ‘the Moon will be burried in darkness - the Sun and the Moon will join together, before the world… our ends’. If you read Surah Takwir, Ch. 81, Verse No. 1 , 2, 3 and & Verse No. 6, it says that… ‘The sun will be folded up, the stars will fall down, the ocean will swell up, the mountains will fall down in utter ruin’. Qur’an says in Surah Infitar, Ch. 82, Verse No. 1, 2 and 3, it says… ‘the sky will be left asunder the star will be scattered, the mountains will be fallen down’. Various signs, how will the earth end is given. These are scientific points mentioned in the Qur’an, which Science has not established yet. For example, the Holy Qur’an also says in Surah Ambiya, Ch. 21, Verse No. 104, that… ‘As We created this creation…We will roll up the Heavens like a scroll is rolled up, and as we created the early creation, We shall create a new creation’. So Qur’an says…‘there is one more creation that is going to be created after the world is destroyed - Science does not know about that. Qur’an says the first man on the earth was Adam (Alai Salam) - Science has not discover that yet. Qur’an speaks about soul - Science has not established that human beings have got soul. The Holy Qur’an also speaks about Jinns, about Spirits, about Angels - Science has not been able to discover that. Qur’an speaks about life after death - Science has not discovered that. Qur’an speaks about ‘Heaven’ and ‘Hell’ - Science has not discovered about that

Brother, If u want more I can give hundreds of example.but what is the use? coz neither you will deny with some logic nor accept it.this is what is happening in this forum.coz no one of you is accepting anything as ego preventing you from accepting the truth.

so what my islamic friend here basically trying to say is that just because some things are predicted correctly(well,you can't say they are described exactly but with some near meanings...and also most things are observable facts) and some are incorrectly("yet to be proven" as a muslim would say),,,it should be the "true" thing????....and everybody should accept it???? right??every religion has made such statements about various things which later on scientists have found to be true..it's not only for islam......so other people here can also tell you the same thing which you said as "no one of you is accepting anything as ego preventing you from accepting the truth".....you people are talking about islam in "sooo great" fashion because you know only about islam......me as a person who got the chance to learn the other main religions(as i have catholic and muslim 1st cousins) knows that all the other religions also tell such things...for example,in buddhism,buddha more than 2500 years ago,talks in so much depth about the many kinds of galaxies that exists in this universe which the scientists very recently getting to know about.....like wise,i can describe in many fields including medicinal,which buddha talked more than 2500 years ago,which scientists are discovering now...but non of the buddhists will specifically talk about them with you and say "looks this is how my book says and see how accurate my book is" like you muslims do....because that's not what we expect from a religion.....that's not what a religion is for.....a religion is not about attracting followers by some odd "miracles",label them as their followers,call it the only true religion by it's own-self,and frighten it's followers by threating to send to "sure hell" if they leave that religion......we don't call such things as works of a "religion".....anyway,i don't wish to talk about these things more.....but as an advise,i would like to tell you people not to openly say that your religion is the "perfect" one because you are only making other people take your kind for a laugh,and look down at it.......

and according to your description,if Albert Einstein lived in about 1000 years ago,he could have also called himself a prophet......isn't it so......

 

[diamonddrago]

so what my islamic friend here basically trying to say is that just because some things are predicted correctly(well,you can't say they are described exactly but with some near meanings...and also most things are observable facts) and some are incorrectly("yet to be proven" as a muslim would say),,,it should be the "true" thing????....and everybody should accept it???? right??every religion has made such statements about various things which later on scientists have found to be true..it's not only for islam......so other people here can also tell you the same thing which you said as "no one of you is accepting anything as ego preventing you from accepting the truth".....you people are talking about islam in "sooo great" fashion because you know only about islam......me as a person who got the chance to learn the other main religions(as i have catholic and muslim 1st cousins) knows that all the other religions also tell such things...for example,in buddhism,buddha more than 2500 years ago,talks in so much depth about the many kinds of galaxies that exists in this universe which the scientists very recently getting to know about.....like wise,i can describe in many fields including medicinal,which buddha talked more than 2500 years ago,which scientists are discovering now...but non of the buddhists will specifically talk about them with you and say "looks this is how my book says and see how accurate my book is" like you muslims do....because that's not what we expect from a religion.....that's not what a religion is for.....a religion is not about attracting followers by some odd "miracles",label them as their followers,call it the only true religion by it's own-self,and frighten it's followers by threating to send to "sure hell" if they leave that religion......we don't call such things as works of a "religion".....anyway,i don't wish to talk about these things more.....but as an advise,i would like to tell you people not to openly say that your religion is the "perfect" one because you are only making other people take your kind for a laugh,and look down at it.......

and according to your description,if Albert Einstein lived in about 1000 years ago,he could have also called himself a prophet......isn't it so......

lol...yep but Albert Einstein wasn't a uneducated and academically challenged textile merchant from around 650BC....

there is no proof Buddha said those things...but Quran is a proof....its there...and tangible....

to us ISLAM IS THE PERFECT RELIGION....and we love it more than anything....if your so jealous and intimidated by our love for our religion then come join us...

don't forget i WAS an atheist too....in my mid teens....bashed Islam non stop.....

but i got back to the Quran and saw what i wanted to see....

one advice dude.....don't look at the people to judge a religion....

for example in Buddhism it says you have to become a Buddhist monk to attain nirvana...but looking at how much Buddhists are enjoying life.....and avoid being a Buddhist monk...as if they love their life cycle...don't matter what I believe....its according to their belief....

and in Christianity women should wear humble clothes...(like nuns)...but look at how christian women dress....

so yep...don't judge a book by its cover...nor judge a religion by its ppl....

if you can accept this simple fact...we can all live much happier....