Who created God(Allah) ?

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long post bro.. but u didnt even understand what the questions are... :lol: every and each time we ask about something someone out there posts a really long some thing (obviously quoted from a web site :D) and changes the direction...
 
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    long post bro.. but u didnt even understand what the questions are... :lol: every and each time we ask about something someone out there posts a really long some thing (obviously quoted from a web site :D) and changes the direction...

    Well, everything has been explained in the detailed answer.

    Anyway to sum it up to your questions;

    1. It is the same definition given by God Almighty in each and every scripture.
    Not made by one man.

    To validate the scriptures you have to examine them. That's what being done here. :p

    2. Every scripture says about only ONE GOD. Others are jinns or man made infiltrations. Check out the verses i have quoted from every scriptures.

    3. Indeed, when there are no mention of such fake gods in their scriptures itselfs, those are man made infiltrations only.

    Eg; Khaali Amma, Katharagama Deyyo (There are no mention of such but man made infiltrations. - In Hindu scriptures there is only mentioned about ONE GOD)

    FOR THE MAN WHO'S HUNGRY IN KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS NOTHING. BUT FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DO NOTHING BUT TO INSULT OTHERS, THIS IS A LOT. :p

    Feel free to ask any question regarding this matter, God Almighty willing, i shall answer according to my best of knowledge.

    TC
     

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    2. Every scripture says about only ONE GOD. Others are jinns or man made infiltrations. Check out the verses i have quoted from every scriptures.

    You have selected some scriptures from Hinduism and Qaran to explain.

    What happened to bible, Book of mormons,Torah, Thripitaka, Kojiki,Daozang, Donghak,... and hundreds of other religious scriptures?

    Is there any reason for you to believe only the scriptures you mention are legitimate? Aren't you using the conventional " The book is true, because the book says it's true" logic??

    (1) Book says the book is true therefor the book is true.

    (2) Book says my GOD is ONE GOD Therefore my GOD is the ONE GOD.

    It's amazing to see that every time we end up here. At least I hope maybe you can see that there's something wrong with the (1). Many muslims do not.
     

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    You have selected some scriptures from Hinduism and Qaran to explain.

    What happened to bible, Book of mormons,Torah, Thripitaka, Kojiki,Daozang, Donghak,... and hundreds of other religious scriptures?

    Is there any reason for you to believe only the scriptures you mention are legitimate? Aren't you using the conventional " The book is true, because the book says it's true" logic??

    (1) Book says the book is true therefor the book is true.

    (2) Book says my GOD is ONE GOD Therefore my GOD is the ONE GOD.

    It's amazing to see that every time we end up here. At least I hope maybe you can see that there's something wrong with the (1). Many muslims do not.

    Well said... :yes::yes: this is the reason why i actually gave up arguing with these idiots.
     

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    Well said... :yes::yes: this is the reason why i actually gave up arguing with these idiots.

    It is amazing how ignorant you guys are. It seems this debate is more about insulting others and no one wants to learn a thing but to hang on to their point. If that's the case what's the whole point of making a thread? lol.

    Wasn't it you who argued by mentioning Hinduism, asking what happens to the many gods todays hindus worship?

    so i explained the concept of Hinduism which also asks to worship only THE GOD.

    ...and you are silent on it. :lol:


    You have selected some scriptures from Hinduism and Qaran to explain.

    What happened to bible, Book of mormons,Torah, Thripitaka, Kojiki,Daozang, Donghak,... and hundreds of other religious scriptures?


    Do not let arrogance or ignorance blind you. Both Bible (Jesus [pbuh]), and Thorah (Moses [pbuh]) already have been discussed here in my previous posts, which also calls only for THE SAME ONE GOD. It seems you don't read anything here.

    If you do your research, in each and every scripture there is a mention about the last messenger. Maithreya, Anthim Rishi, etc.

    And you will see where it's been infiltrated in the history.

    Eg; Do you find the original bible that is in Hebrew now?

    But an infiltrated copy of it in English.

    Likewise it's the same case with every religion being expired with its language.

    Eg; Do you see Hindus following its true teachings of ONE GOD?

    But some crazy idol worship.
     

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    Well for one to believe in a scripture (book) you have to examine it.

    Al Qur'aan is the only scripture that is in a 'Living Language' now. (Arabic) Every other scriptures are expired with the time.

    For me, there are many things that made me believe it's from God Almighty. Its style, the way it has addressed to people, the way it calls upon people to react, etc. But since you guys are fans of science, here are some of the scientific reasons which should give a clear idea.

    http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

    If you think this is too long or you don't have time for this, then you never want to listen to my point nor wants to learn a thing but call everyone else as idiots.

    It seems you guys have never read a thing about Qur'aan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAecO6xf7zk&feature=related
     

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    Do not let arrogance or ignorance blind you.
    Such strong words? Ok I'll try my best.

    Both Bible (Jesus [pbuh]), and Thorah (Moses [pbuh]) already have been discussed here in my previous posts, which also calls only for THE SAME ONE GOD. It seems you don't read anything here.
    Yeah, I don't have time to go through all your posts. Now I have done lots of research on this all the books talking about the same GOD thing. And I have discussed about it over and over. Not gonna do it again here, coz that is not related to the question I had.

    If you do your research, in each and every scripture there is a mention about the last messenger. Maithreya, Anthim Rishi, etc.
    I can assure you I have done my home work. It is you who need to keep an open mind. I've said this so many times. But I'll say it once more again. A book can talk about a messenger, but it does not mean that they are talking about the same person or same concepts or same GOD or same philosophy. You talk about Maithreya, and you have no clue what you are talking about. And you talk about me being ignorant. Do your research and maybe try to understand who Maithreya is before bringing the name.

    And you will see where it's been infiltrated in the history.
    I know the history of religions very well. We don't need go in to that now.

    Eg; Do you find the original bible that is in Hebrew now?

    But an infiltrated copy of it in English.

    Likewise it's the same case with every religion being expired with its language.
    Yes every religion. Not only with its language, but cultural background of the times also. This includes Islam.

    Eg; Do you see Hindus following its true teachings of ONE GOD?

    But some crazy idol worship.
    Do you even know what Hinduism is about? What are you talking about saying "ONE GOD"? There are many sects in Hindu. It includes monotheism and polytheism. Do your home work before babbling pointless rants. Do not let arrogance or ignorance blind you.

    Since you obviously missed my point and brought up so many irrelevant information, just like always I'm gonna explain it very simply here.

    (1)For the sake of argument assume that every religious scripture speaks of a last messenger and one GOD.

    (2)You assume that this last messenger is Muhammad, most probably I'm guessing because you don't know that there are many religions that evolved after the time of Muhammad.

    (3) Let me take one example. The Mormonism, which is one of the fastest growing Christian sects today believe that the last messenger is Joseph Smith(Born in 1805). It is said in their book(The book of Mormons).

    (4)So why do you think Muhammad is the last prophet and Qaran talks about the true ONE GOD?

    (5) There are so many theist religions all talk about different things, and whether you accept it or not they talk about different prophets and different practices and different GODs. What proof do you have to say that yours is the true one?
     
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    Hi AG,

    Some days I couldn't come elakiri, just noted that you gave up replying for a thread(why do muslim bury...) which we were discussing some weeks back. hopefully you forgot.

     

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    Such strong words? Ok I'll try my best.
    :D

    Yeah, I don't have time to go through all your posts. Now I have done lots of research on this all the books talking about the same GOD thing. And I have discussed about it over and over. Not gonna do it again here, coz that is not related to the question I had.

    So do you believe that Hinduism, Judaism, Injeel (today known as Christianity) and Islam speaks of the Same God Almighty, before its infiltration?

    I can assure you I have done my home work. It is you who need to keep an open mind. I've said this so many times. But I'll say it once more again. A book can talk about a messenger, but it does not mean that they are talking about the same person or same concepts or same GOD or same philosophy. You talk about Maithreya, and you have no clue what you are talking about. And you talk about me being ignorant. Do your research and maybe try to understand who Maithreya is before bringing the name.

    Now i found someone who knows about Maithreya. You can share your information about him since u know very well about him.. :) That would be really informative for me. Just a brief explanation would do! Thanks. After that i'll see how it goes on with my explanation.



    I know the history of religions very well. We don't need go in to that now.
    So you know everything about the history of religions? Let's give it a test.. Tell me who are freemasons (or illuminati) and their agenda?

    Yes every religion. Not only with its language, but cultural background of the times also. This includes Islam.

    Exactly! Last Prophet said that there will be 72 sects of Christianity and Judaism, and 73 in Islam, while only one being the truth. Indeed, infiltration has effected Islam too. Only thing they couldn't change in Qur'aan, as it is the scripture for now.

    Do you even know what Hinduism is about? What are you talking about saying "ONE GOD"? There are many sects in Hindu. It includes monotheism and polytheism. Do your home work before babbling pointless rants. Do not let arrogance or ignorance blind you.

    Ok, tell me what their scriptures are saying? Monotheism or Polytheism?
    Indeed, originally it only speaks about ONE GOD, but later it has got infiltrated with the pagans and jinns into many sects. Same as any other scripture. Even in islam there are stupid sects who worship Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Idols. so does this mean Islam promote these?


    Since you obviously missed my point and brought up so many irrelevant information, just like always I'm gonna explain it very simply here.

    (1)For the sake of argument assume that every religious scripture speaks of a last messenger and one GOD.

    (2)You assume that this last messenger is Muhammad, most probably I'm guessing because you don't know that there are many religions that evolved after the time of Muhammad.

    (3) Let me take one example. The Mormonism, which is one of the fastest growing Christian sects today believe that the last messenger is Joseph Smith(Born in 1805). It is said in their book(The book of Mormons).

    (4)So why do you think Muhammad is the last prophet and Qaran talks about the true ONE GOD?

    (5) There are so many theist religions all talk about different things, and whether you accept it or not they talk about different prophets and different practices and different GODs. What proof do you have to say that yours is the true one?

    2. Indeed, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final Messnger. It seems you haven't gone through the evidence i showed up, to compare other scripture prophecies with Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    "but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets; and God is aware of all things" (33:40).

    3. What proves that Joseph is a prophet? Everyone went to sleep doesn't mean the world is a dark place. :p

    4. I believe that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final messenger because there is a mention of it in the Qur'aan, and also other scriptures supports it.

    Eg; John (16:13) "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."

    *Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an illiterate person. He spoke only what he heard (from Jibreel, The Angel). And he mentioned about what is yet to come, which have been happening now.

    If you go through the Qur'aan, it almost only talks about the oneness of God Almighty.

    Which also goes with all the other scriptures that are mentioned and not mentioned in the Qur'aan.

    5. You haven't got the concept here. Every religion that people claim are not from God Almighty. Most of them are man/jinn made. To understand this, you have to get into the jinn (satan) area, how they try to deviate people.

    It's surely a big concept.. Try searching, "Illuminati, Bohemian Grove", Once you find them interesting keep on doing your research.. and eventually you'll end up there...

    "The Arrivals" is a series i would recommend.

    You will get to know that there are even satanic religions where they also have prophets, etc and are claiming to be a religion.

    So do you want me to find a similarity between those religions and those from God Almighty? :P
     
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    Hi AG,

    Some days I couldn't come elakiri, just noted that you gave up replying for a thread(why do muslim bury...) which we were discussing some weeks back. hopefully you forgot.


    I'm extremely sorry about this. I can assure you this was not intentional. Please revisit the thread. I gave you a short answer. I kind of feel like we are going on circles there.
     

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    So do you believe that Hinduism, Judaism, Injeel (today known as Christianity) and Islam speaks of the Same God Almighty, before its infiltration?
    No. Why would I believe that? Yes they all are talking about a fictional character. But the concepts have minor differences and they have different practices so they are not talking about the same GOD.

    Now i found someone who knows about Maithreya. You can share your information about him since u know very well about him.. :) That would be really informative for me. Just a brief explanation would do! Thanks. After that i'll see how it goes on with my explanation.

    According to Buddhist scriptures Maithreya is a Buddha.


    So you know everything about the history of religions? Let's give it a test.. Tell me who are freemasons (or illuminati) and their agenda?
    The history of the religions. I meant how the concept of religion came in to being, how it evolved and how the concept affected the major religions etc. No one can know the history of all specific religions. I thought you are smart enough to understand what I meant and I assumed you are smart enough to realize I would never say I know the history of all the specific religions. Will be careful from now on.

    Exactly! Last Prophet said that there will be 72 sects of Christianity and Judaism, and 73 in Islam, while only one being the truth. Indeed, infiltration has effected Islam too. Only thing they couldn't change in Qur'aan, as it is the scripture for now.
    Again missing the point. Who is the last prophet? If your answer is Muhammad, what proof do you have to say so?

    Ok, tell me what their scriptures are saying? Monotheism or Polytheism?
    Indeed, originally it only speaks about ONE GOD, but later it has got infiltrated with the pagans and jinns into many sects.
    This is true. Hinduism originally speaks of ONE GOD. Also being one of the oldest religions in the world, most abrahamic religions have copied its concepts. This happened through out the history of religions. One religion copying other and emerging. How ever I have made an error. Hinduism originated as a monotheistic religion to the best of my knowledge.

    Same as any other scripture.
    What do you mean? What other scriptures?

    Even in islam there are stupid sects who worship Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Idols. so does this mean Islam promote these?

    I fail to see the relevance of this.


    2. Indeed, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final Messnger. It seems you haven't gone through the evidence i showed up, to compare other scripture prophecies with Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
    Indeed I went through all your so called evidences and found no evidence at all. If you want I can give you links that include lengthy explanation on how Dr.Zakir Naik has mistranslated some of the hindu purans, which are of course written in sanskript. According to these sanskript experts, some of the purans do mentione about a person named Muhammad, who will start a demonic religion and bring much destruction, etc. So as I mentioned, I have already done research on these things. I have not yet found any authentic prophecy in a religious scripture about Muhammad. I have found bunch of mistranslations from people like Zakir Naik(Whome I consider as a highly irrational person) and other people denying it. So it's a debatable issue, not evidence. Also to the best of my knowledge purans are not the main religious scriptures of Hindus.

    From what I can see, people try to link two random things in two books and make up a story to suit their purpose.


    "but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets; and God is aware of all things" (33:40).
    There we go..(Claps)... we are finally here. It is in the book right?? So it gotta be true.

    3. What proves that Joseph is a prophet? Everyone went to sleep doesn't mean the world is a dark place. :p
    Seriously you can't see the hypocrisy here? Let me make it clear. Since this little statement sums up my whole point. What proves that Muhammad is a prophet? (I know your what answer is gonna be, it is said in the book right?)

    4. I believe that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final messenger because there is a mention of it in the Qur'aan,

    There we go again. Of course it has to be in the book. I predicted that this would come to this. ( I wonder whether that makes me a prophet or something)



    (1) Book says the book is true therefor the book is true.

    and also other scriptures supports it.
    Yes of course, you can believe whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. And no other scripture really supports it.

    Eg; John (16:13) "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."
    Nope, I'm quite positive john was talking about joseph smith here.

    *Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an illiterate person. He spoke only what he heard (from Jibreel, The Angel). And he mentioned about what is yet to come, which have been happening now.

    If you go through the Qur'aan, it almost only talks about the oneness of God Almighty.

    Which also goes with all the other scriptures that are mentioned and not mentioned in the Qur'aan.
    What poor logic to prove .... Hmm, what are you trying to prove with this?

    5. You haven't got the concept here. Every religion that people claim are not from God Almighty. Most of them are man/jinn made. To understand this, you have to get into the jinn (satan) area, how they try to deviate people.
    Heh, thank you for your attempt. I appreciate it. I can assure you I have gotten the concept clearly. My research on the advancement of religions, clearly showed a pattern. All religions are man made. Man invented it to overcome the fear of death, something he cannot understand. He wanted something to cling in to so that the horrific feeling of "everything might end up when I die" can be conquered. Muhammad copied most of his ideas from the Christianity and Judaism. In fact it is really hard to find any original concept in Islam, that was already not there at the time. Muhammad just painted a better picture with 72 virgins and etc. To understand you only need to begin questioning what is not logical. The satan just like everything else is a man made concept.

    It's surely a big concept.. Try searching, "Illuminati, Bohemian Grove", Once you find them interesting keep on doing your research.. and eventually you'll end up there...
    Thanks, but I can think for my self. I do not need an unknown being to tell me what to do. I can assure you I have studied qaran, and many other religious books, with an open mind. I have done much research. Any path leading to a imaginary falsehood is waste of time. And don't assume I do not know about what you are talking about. This is not the first time I'm having a discussion like this.

    You will get to know that there are even satanic religions where they also have prophets, etc and are claiming to be a religion.
    Of course I know. I even know some people who believe in that, and I have spoken with them also. But if you ever get the chance to meet with one of them, you'll see that their ideas and concepts are very similar to yours. They just believe in what they believe, a different GOD. But what I find interesting is that most of their prophets or GOD(Satan) never have ordered slavery, mass murder, polygamy, child marriages, genocides, or many other immoral things most of those Abrahamic GODs did. In the end this all ends up in the same old question. What make you think your GOD is true and theirs is not? (They also have a book you know).

    So do you want me to find a similarity between those religions and those from God Almighty? :P
    You don't need to find one. They are so similar conceptually one might even think they originated from the same root.
     
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    As far as i can see these muslims are doing their every day trick here.. they try to take you in a different way..

    The original question was who created god? then i saw an answer god does not have a creator. but here what i can see is that they are trying to prove the existence of the god from the book which is said to be given by the same god. I can prove the existence of flying spaghetti monster or unicorn by that way.

    My question is this
    "can you prove anything about your god apart from the book?"

    And I dont expect funny answers like "We have to use something given by god to prove it or how can we prove it without proving his scriptures etc.. cause according to your theories everything was given (created) to you by God. So you should be able to prove his existence with anything other than scriptures.. Cause for some other religions they can prove some of their beliefs without their scripture
     
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    Pizziesta

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    To think Al Qur'aan has copied from other scriptures, you have to agree that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) corrected all the scientific errors in the bible by his knowledge? =D

    As far as i can see these muslims are doing their every day trick here.. they try to take you in a different way..

    The original question was who created god? then i saw an answer god does not have a creator. but here what i can see is that they are trying to prove the existence of the god from the book which is said to be given by the same god. I can prove the existence of flying spaghetti monster or unicorn by that way.

    Nobody is a fool to believe in a book for no reason. There are reasons what makes people believe in the scripture. I don't think your flying spaghetti book can convince people with signs that goes with the life we're living.

    My question is this
    "can you prove anything about your god apart from the book?"

    And I dont expect funny answers like "We have to use something given by god to prove it or how can we prove it without proving his scriptures etc.. cause according to your theories everything was given (created) to you by God. So you should be able to prove his existence with anything other than scriptures.. Cause for some other religions they can prove some of their beliefs without their scripture

    We know that there is a power that governs everything in the universe. The power of our existence and sustenance.

    (If you think, you, the soul, came to exist without any power being involved, or that you don't depend on any sustenance each second, then it's a different problem).

    Let's think, that power wants to guide you. Do you expect that power to come to you straight away and give a talk?

    There are many books and theories which claim to be that power addressing you.

    So don't you have to examine those? To believe them you need proofs (or miracles) from those claims.

    Proofs come by comparing with something that you know. The knowledge of this world.

    There are many signs in The Qur'aan that matches with the power we know, and the knowledge we know.

    http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

    Do you have an explanation for the power that governs the universe? No = Natural.
     
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