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Notice the green word? Subject is same. Notice the red parts?, two contradictory statements.
I rest my case there, I cannot move forward because you deny the obvious. I cannot argue with someone who decides to go irrational when things are going bad. You know everyone can see it, so they will make a judgment. [/QUOTE]
I am very much surprised to see your gladness just by misinterpreting my words which was answered to you in different context, for your query. Not only that even you went on to misguide the people who don’t know context of the conversation by putting a poll as well. I doubt that you divert the subject in order to cover your loss on the subject of quran is promoting violence? As I remember this has been argued between us for long time, and whatever versus that you have posted was answered by me, and you were on the edge of loss and frustration, so no wonder that u came up with the new idea.
Don’t expect me to run away, I still want to reply to your allegation. My answers was in two different context according to your questions.
One of your question (1) asking abt partial word “wherever” I gave you reply of course wherever we will fight against persecutors.
Your Question
Originally Posted by AncientGlory
Not always. A sentence may carry its own meaning when, it is not linked to the previous or next sentences.
Slay them wherever you find them.. How is this talking about defense? I'm talking about the the word 'wherever'.
My answer
OK.now your 6 or 7 alleged verses reduced to one word, ok.even if we take that part of the verse, before the next sentence start, "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.
have you not noted it is talking abt persecution, so it is against persecutors..Of course against oppressors, persecutors you will fight wherever......won't you do so.
see brother, you won't find any single mistake in the Quran, if you try to do so, you will end up in loosing side as it has been happening to you..But still I prefer you to bring some more verses so i will be ready to answer you,Inshallah atleast at one point of time you have to accept quran dont promote violence and it is a misconception.
For your another post in different time, I replied with the context of the full verse, also I mentioned there “always don’t forget abt context” have you gone blind to see my words there? Your purpose is so clear, nothing but to malign Islam, though everything was given in crystal clear. Finally your opted to the word game which also not worked for you. Further I challenge you, you can’t bring even a single verse to prove quran is violence, you have no way but to accept with me to say quran is not promoting violence.
Your question
I can see a clear difference between defensive and offensive violence here. In my opinion, there's no need to continue the discussion as you agreed to my point by saying, against persecutors, you should fight wherever you find them. No wonder that muslims go to USA and conduct suicide bombings. Against persecutors they should fight wherever right?
My answer
here have you forgotten this part in order to win the argument"drive them out of the places whence they drove you out"[/COLOR]
Of course you r right, fight against persecutors,only when they come to fight with you, dont always forget abt context ok. again you r wrong abt suicide bombing , suicide is not allowed in Islam. dont talk whatever you get in your mind..at least good that you are accepting US is persecutors.
this is the verse for reference
And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
