Who created God(Allah) ?

[AncientGlory]

Wonder from where you came across all these ideas

GOD ALMIGHTY is The Eternal, The Absolute! HE is not subjected to a time frame like we do.

Before our creation, it was Jinns who were on this earth for many years.

"Wasn’t there a long period of time before humans were even mentioned?" (76:1)

Humans were not even mentioned those time, meaning the creation of humans were not even discussed in any matter.

So humans were Created when God Almighty wanted. Not that it is inside a time frame.

Any comments on post #97?

 

[AncientGlory]

when allah is eternal, why would we see 1200yrs history for islam on earth?

Now that is a valid question.

 

[Pizziesta]

If it came from possession of self power, that is saying A came from A, which supports again A was always there. Since we already agreed that nothing can come out of nothing, this cannot be true.

So this suggests GOD came from something superior.

Also It is quite simple and rational to think there was an original force. But assuming this force is intelligent is in turn not so rational. Why do you think it is intelligent?

What i meant by Self possession power, is that HE IS THE POWER.

Yes, we know nothing can come out of nothing - This world cannot happen from nothing but through a force. The water did not come from nothing but through power, shaping/switch of materials/through knowledge, in order to make it as water (Creation of water).

(Even for a random chance is out of question since there has to be a force moving objects without intelligence.)

So there is Force of Power, which resulted in Creating things.

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Whether that Force is intelligence or not, is through our experience.

There are millions of signs for us to observe. How our body functions to the amazing world we observe through our senses, that keeps us under this dimension.

You can see all these signs and yet disbelieve. But another will always ponder about the intelligence being involved and the power that governs the world even to this very second.

For you all these can be as a result of a random chance that took 4.5 billions years or something. But for that random chance also there has to be a power forcing objects to move.

If it's a random chance, our eyes won't be in the face, just placed perfectly under eye brows, giving its protection. And tears to falls as a mean of clearing out harmful materials.

More than that, we have a soul that feels love, hate, happiness, etc.

"...if you were to seek a tunnel into the earth or a ladder into the skies and bring them a sign, (they still wouldn't be convinced.) If it were Allah’s will, He could gather them all into true guidance, so don’t be among those who are influenced by ignorance." (6:35)

(Notes: They=Disbelievers / God's will now is the Test)

No worries. It is perfectly alright to assume that what you believe is true. Otherwise why would one believe it? But it is not alright to claim this when discussing with a non believer specially when "Is what you believe is true" is the topic of the subject.

Religion(s) teach that God Almighty does not enjoy people choosing evil, [and Hell is as a mean of summing up their bad deeds, giving them an opportunity for a high status once again within the creation, since they went against the Will of God Almighty and earned nothing but the disrespect of God Almighty and also among other creations (angels, jinns, etc) where he have to live his real life].

But it is to obey and enjoy blessings, which is recommended the best for them.

But you are claiming HE enjoys. So indeed, this is something that is not in the religious teachings, making it a misconception, isn't it?.

Likewise, when people are ignorant of real teachings but assumes whatever they want without learning and blames religious concepts, is when misconceptions or other misunderstanding forms occur, within them and those who hear them.

I'm not claiming that I know more about Illuminati, coz I do not. My point was again claiming what you know is true, basing the research you did on internet(Specially since I also have access to the same resources) is not credible. I specially wanted to point out, whether a part of Illuminati or not, I have had encounters with people who claim themselves "satanists"(They worship the devil, only they call him an angel). So based on that real life experience I have come to some conclusions about these devil worshipers, and therefor my story about them should add a value to the discussion since you do not have access to that resource.

- These devil worshipers are nothing compared to Illuminati.

- Even i know many friends who follow these groups for fun, attraction and some for real purpose. And these groups of people have fallen into the trap of believing what iblees, the jinn (satan) wanted in the first place.

so if we go back to original points of our discussion, there is a connection between these claimed religions and what other main religions teach.

Even though you can have access to what also have, what matters is whether you reach the relevant materials. I will give you a structured reply of what i say, within few days. Then we can go further regarding this matter.

Anyway, this whole thing about Illuminati is not relevant IMO.

It is since almost everyone are slaves of their system. Let's talk about this after what i post on them.

So me being a non believer is GOD's will, is it not?

Whatever said, you are deliberately not trying to understand the concept put in, by hiding behind Yes or No to win your claim. Yes or No can be said if you understand the whole thing that defines what meant by God's Will.

You are being a non believer is not directly because of God Almighty's will.

But through the opportunity he created for you, it is who you have chosen to be a disbeliever through your own choices. God Almighty's will includes you are given the freedom to take your own decisions and actions.

Assumption: Everyone are equally capable

So It's like you are saying ICC is the cause of you bowling a wide ball. ICC have set you rules and regulations, where you are given the freedom to ball according to how you like. But they have also defined the rules that brings you success as well as misery. Success includes you bowling to the wicket.

Everything happens to the will of ICC.

Yet you bowl according to your will. Hope you understood the balance and the true concept here.

God Almighty knows best.

On the contrary, I think it is as simple as "yes" and "No". You answered the question with a "yes", didn't you??. I think there is nothing difficult to grasp here. Within that free will frame, whatever happens is still GODs will.

What meant is that it is God's Will in the sense He have allowed it to happen since the action is through your free. If He has any influences, then it won't be your free will.

So the problem occurs what you mean by God's will. God's will doesn't mean to influence you with every decision and action you take.

God's will includes the opportunity for you to take decisions as well as the results of those decisions to happen. If you take Option A, option A to happen. If you choose option B, Option B to happen.

If whole life and end is not pre-destined, that is whatever happen in the middle is based on individual preference(free will), it cannot be GODs will. So in this case whatever happens in between life is not GOD's will. The free will concept and Omnimax GOD contradicts again.

Hope you understood the concept now.

 

[Pizziesta]

when allah is eternal, why would we see 1200yrs history for islam on earth?
allah would have created muslim humans.But that is not the case.I am sure allah did not create hindhus,catholics,buddhists etc.when why would allah keep us on his earth when we hate him,dont accept him.

You guys have no clue, but here for fun. I can see that clearly. Anyway,

- This world is a mean of testing people, through the free will - either to obey him or disobey him.

- ALLAH means THE GOD. (Al = The, God = Ilah = Al+Ilah = ALLAH)

- THE GOD (ALLAH) Has sent 68,000 religions through 124,000 Prophets.

Last and Final Religion is Islam, which was sent down 1400 years before and 600 years after Injeel (Christianity).

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last and Final Messenger. Prophet Jesus, Prophet Musa, Prophet Ibrahim, Prophet Adham (pbut) are examples out of 124,000 Prophets.

- HE will give opportunities after opportunities for people, until a particular time - Death, and bless them no matter what they believe and do, and then do justice to their deeds.

 

[Pizziesta]

can you please explain that who are these jinns, and please point to quran where it says exactly that the jinns inhabited the earth before man, and where are these jinns now..

Jinns are a main thing in the religion(s). Out of those Jinns, a jinn known as 'Ibless' is whom referred to as 'Satan', 'Shaithaan' mainly, and everyone else both mankind and jinnkind who follow evil paths are known as 'satanists'.


“ I have only created jinn and man that they may serve (obey) me.” (C 51: V 56)

“And the jinn He created from, a smokeless flame of fire.” (C 55: V 15)

“And indeed: We created man from dried (sounding) clay and altered mud. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.”(C15: V 26-27)

“Say: If the mankind and the jinn gathered to produce the like of this Quraan, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.” (C 17: V 88)

“And (remember) when We said to the angels: “Prostrate yourselves unto Adam.” So they prostrated themselves except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the Jinn; he disobeyed the command of his Lord. (C 18: V 50)

They were here before us.

(Surah Hijr)

28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.

29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him."

30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.

31. Except Iblîs, (Satan - Jinn), - he refused to be among the prostrators.

Indeed, it is a very well known thing that they were here so long before humans created. Iblees was an obeyed jinn who had arrogance (evil) in him, who refused to salute the soul which is from God Almighty himself, which put on to Adham (pbuh), who is the first of mankind.

Where are they now?

- They are also living in this world.

- We know this world through our senses. We cannot grasp anything beyond these senses.

- Jinns are subjected to a dimension where we cannot feel or see them. But they can see us. Only when they come to our dimension, we can see them.

- Out of those jinns those who chose evil path to destroy others, are known as Satans.

- They try to take us to the evil path through many ways.

- Dead people coming backs, possessions, mohanaya talkings are all forms of jinns trying to spread disbelief.

- There are good and bad jinns. Good jinns won't come to interfere with people to do bad. They obey and dont use their powers for mischief.

- Main Jinns (ibless and co) talk and give orders to very this day for people who worship them directly. (known as 33 degree mason families) for wordily benefits such as world power, etc.

- Khaali Amma, Hooniyam Dewathawo, etc are Jinns. When worshipped those idols, they posses and do stuff, inviting those people into disbelief.

- They will never do such an act, which brings belief into someone. When someone does not believe, they won't come into contact with him or his family as means of making them believe, but inviting them further into disbelief through other forms. When other forms are prevented, they remain silent.

Disbelief = disbelief of God Almighty and all of his religions, etc

The creation is through Earth, Water, Fire and Air.

Humans = Earth and Water

Jinns = Fire and Air.

When said that they ear with us, it means that they eat the smell of it, since that is what they can eat.

All of these misconceptions and so called funny stuff occur when one is unaware of such things.

 

[Pizziesta]

Now that is a valid question.

I thought at least you have some knowledge.

 

[AncientGlory]

I thought at least you have some knowledge.

Knowledge on what? 124,000 prophets mentioned? The obvious point you missed here again is that, the claim saying Muhammad is the last prophet is based on your book, nothing else.

Mormons believe joseph smith is the last prophet, and they also have a book.

So as I previously predicted, here again you take quran as a proof(Like any muslim would do eventually), which of course holds no value in a logical argument.

So the question is a valid one. Give proof for your claims if possible not from your book. I'm surprised to see that you still bring it as proof.

A book saying the book is true, does not make it true. It's simple logic.

 

[Pizziesta]

Knowledge on what? 124,000 prophets mentioned? The obvious point you missed here again is that, the claim saying Muhammad is the last prophet is based on your book, nothing else.

Mormons believe joseph smith is the last prophet, and they also have a book.

So as I previously predicted, here again you take quran as a proof(Like any muslim would do eventually), which of course holds no value in a logical argument.

So the question is a valid one. Give proof for your claims if possible not from your book. I'm surprised to see that you still bring it as proof.

A book saying the book is true, does not make it true. It's simple logic.

It seems you always hold onto nothing else but your point. Tell me, how would you like to see a scripture that proves itself? Do you want it to be in some form of golden light? What simply makes you believe that a scripture is speaking truth? I think this is another point, i missed out.

For the sake of argument, think the purpose of this world is a test and that Creator wants to address people to inform about Him and the guidance that one must follow.. Tell me your method of conveying that message?

According to you no scripture is true or is it only those scriptures speaks of One God Almighty?

 

[humanoid]

[Last and Final Religion is Islam, which was sent down 1400 years before and 600 years after Injeel (Christianity).
/QUOTE]

I feel this is his last prophet

 

[AncientGlory]

It seems you always hold onto nothing else but your point. Tell me, how would you like to see a scripture that proves itself? Do you want it to be in some form of golden light? What simply makes you believe that a scripture is speaking truth? I think this is another point, i missed out.

For the sake of argument, think the purpose of this world is a test and that Creator wants to address people to inform about Him and the guidance that one must follow.. Tell me your method of conveying that message?

According to you no scripture is true or is it only those scriptures speaks of One God Almighty?

I actually wanted to point out that when discarding some questions opinions you shouldn't be too quick. You were too quick to judge an opinion without thinking it from a non believer point of view.

A logical and rational argument from a scripture will speak for a value of a scripture. That would be something that proves itself. Do you agree that saying Muhammad is the last prophet because it is said in quran, is not logical from a non believer point of view?

If GOD wants to convey a message through a book, he will not allow any kind of judgment,doubt,contradiction in the book. He would of course go with a better argument than saying "The book says book is true, therefor the book is true". This is GOD is Omnimax and can do anything.

According to me, all scriptures are written by men. We need to filter them up on a logical basis to understand what makes sense and not.

 

[AncientGlory]

What i meant by Self possession power, is that HE IS THE POWER.

Yes, we know nothing can come out of nothing - This world cannot happen from nothing but through a force.

We are again going in circles.

(1)What created the original force? Was it always there or not? Yes or No?

(2)If yes <--- Contradicts Nothing can come out of nothing argument.

(3)If No <--- A superior power must have created it(Who is GOD's father? argument)

You can see all these signs and yet disbelieve. But another will always ponder about the intelligence being involved and the power that governs the world even to this very second.

Yes, because its a subjective view. You cannot really say whose view is superior because seeing these signs is no proof for anything. You see something and you assume something. That's all to it.

If it's a random chance, our eyes won't be in the face, just placed perfectly under eye brows, giving its protection. And tears to falls as a mean of clearing out harmful materials.

Why not? We know if given enough time things will eventually come to a saturated optimum place.

More than that, we have a soul that feels love, hate, happiness, etc.

How can that be a proof of anything other than relating something real to an assumption?

But you are claiming HE enjoys. So indeed, this is something that is not in the religious teachings, making it a misconception, isn't it?.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Did I say that GOD enjoy something? I can't recall. Care to explain?

Likewise, when people are ignorant of real teachings but assumes whatever they want without learning and blames religious concepts, is when misconceptions or other misunderstanding forms occur, within them and those who hear them.

Yet again, you assume that you are the one who knows real teachings and others are ignorant. What does that make you?

- These devil worshipers are nothing compared to Illuminati.

- Even i know many friends who follow these groups for fun, attraction and some for real purpose. And these groups of people have fallen into the trap of believing what iblees, the jinn (satan) wanted in the first place.

so if we go back to original points of our discussion, there is a connection between these claimed religions and what other main religions teach.

Even though you can have access to what also have, what matters is whether you reach the relevant materials. I will give you a structured reply of what i say, within few days. Then we can go further regarding this matter.

It is since almost everyone are slaves of their system. Let's talk about this after what i post on them.

I'm just gonna drop this illuminati thing. I explained my position clearly but seems like you don't talk about the point but rather are trying to educate me on Illuminati. I don't need that.

What meant is that it is God's Will in the sense He have allowed it to happen since the action is through your free.

In other words everything that happens is not what GOD want,not GODs doing, but he just allows it to happen anyway. That is how you define the "GODs will".

So the problem occurs what you mean by God's will.

True. I got what you meant now.

 

[cd_akhila]

allah would have created muslim humans.

are you suggesting that there are no muslim humans.

[Last and Final Religion is Islam, which was sent down 1400 years before and 600 years after Injeel (Christianity).
/QUOTE]

I feel this is his last prophet

no, not him, ask muslims, Mr. Somawansa Amarasinghe (pbuh) is the last prophet.

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7686184#post7686184

see, it says JVP is the last religion..

Jinns are a main thing in the religion(s). Out of those Jinns, a jinn known as 'Ibless' is whom referred to as 'Satan', 'Shaithaan' mainly, and everyone else both mankind and jinnkind who follow evil paths are known as 'satanists'.

you just believe this because it is in the book.. right

They were here before us.

please quote quran where it exactly says that the jinns inhabited the earth before adam, after god created the heaven and earth.

Jinns = Fire and Air.

do jinns reproduce, how..

- They are also living in this world.

- We know this world through our senses. We cannot grasp anything beyond these senses.

- Jinns are subjected to a dimension where we cannot feel or see them. But they can see us. Only when they come to our dimension, we can see them.

- Dead people coming backs, possessions, mohanaya talkings are all forms of jinns trying to spread disbelief.

- Khaali Amma, Hooniyam Dewathawo, etc are Jinns. When worshipped those idols, they posses and do stuff, inviting those people into disbelief.

When said that they ear with us, it means that they eat the smell of it, since that is what they can eat.

any scientific proofs..

Indeed, it is a very well known thing that they were here so long before humans created. Iblees was an obeyed jinn who had arrogance (evil) in him, who refused to salute the soul which is from God Almighty himself, which put on to Adham (pbuh), who is the first of mankind.

well allah probably didn't create the evil,
iblees refused god because he had what, the free will, right..
can you please tell me that whether free will is a part of the creation, if god created everything, please help me understand his greatest gift the free will.. and who has this free will now, can you please point me to the quran.

 

[humanoid]

අල්ලා දෙවියන් පකිස්තානුවන්ට දඩුවම් කරලා තියෙන්නේ, අපේ අහිංසක ක්‍රිකට් ක්‍රීඩකයන්ට නිකරුනේ වෙඩි තියලා හිංසා කරපු නිසා වෙන්න ඇති.සමහර නරුමයන්ගේ වැඩ නිසා අපරාදේ මේ අහිංසක මිනිස්සුන්ට දඩුවම් කරන්නේ.
They wanted to murder our cricketers in cold blood.But allah saved our cricketers & punish pakistan.

 

[humanoid]

[HTML]Our Earth feels like all there is, but we know that it's just a tiny planet in a vast Solar System. And our Solar System is just one member of a vast Milky Way galaxy with 200 to 400 billion stars. But how many galaxies are there in the entire Universe?
This is a difficult number to know for certain, since we can only see a fraction of the Universe, even with our most powerful instruments. The most current estimates guess that there are 100 to 200 billion galaxies in the Universe, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars. A recent German supercomputer simulation put that number even higher: 500 billion. In other words, there could be a galaxy out there for every star in the Milky Way.

[/HTML]
I do not think one God has created these billions of galaxies, suns & planets to make humans on earth.I feel humans were under dictators for thousand of years.This may have given the idea for so called messengers to bring one powerful God to their religions




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[humanoid]

We have billions of solar systems in entire universe.There are billions of planets which can produce life with the help of sloar power.When we see billions of stars , we can assume evolution gets energy from sun.Evolution is universal, stars(sun), planets, solar systems are universal.Therefore I feel humanity may be universal.We may see different types of evolutions in each habitable solar systems.But fauna, flora & animals are universal.each planets may eveolve different fauna,flora or animals.Life in thses planets may not use oxygen or carbondioxide in some planets.
Some planets in the universe may have undergone ultra development .They may be doing intergalaxy travel.But earth may be too far for them to reach.No life form can travel infinite distance.

 

[mensoft2003]

අල්ලා දෙවියන් පකිස්තානුවන්ට දඩුවම් කරලා තියෙන්නේ, අපේ අහිංසක ක්‍රිකට් ක්‍රීඩකයන්ට නිකරුනේ වෙඩි තියලා හිංසා කරපු නිසා වෙන්න ඇති.සමහර නරුමයන්ගේ වැඩ නිසා අපරාදේ මේ අහිංසක මිනිස්සුන්ට දඩුවම් කරන්නේ.


http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=776250
ඔව් ඔව් මේ ලින්ක් එක බලන්නකෝ . මෙතන ඉන්නවා ගං වතුරෙත් උරෙක්ට සාමය උදාකරන අහිංසක හම්බයෙක්

 

[humanoid]

පකිස්ථාන ජාතිකයන් පසුගිය කාලේ විවිධ රටවල අහිංසක මිනිසුන්ට වෙඩි තියව්වා , බෝම්බ ගැහුවා අල්ලා දෙවියන්ගේ නම විකුනමින්.ලංඩන් බෝම්බ පිපිරවීම, මුම්බයි වෙඩි තැබීම, ලංකාවේ ක්‍රීඩකයන්ට වෙඩි තැබීම.මේක නිසා අල්ලා පකිස්තානයට සිය කෝපය ප්‍රකාශ කරලා තියෙනවා.නබි තුමා ඌරු මස් කන්න අකමැති ඇති.හරියට සමහරු, බන්ඩක්කා, කරවිල ,බ‍ටු කන්න ආස නැති නිසා.ඒකයි එතුමන් ඌරන්ව තහනම් කරලා තියෙන්නේ.

 

[RajNOX]

Regarding Zakir Naik's answer to the question.

Eg;

- How far did the ship fly?

*This is an illogical question since "flying" is not an attribute of the ship.

LIKEWISE,

*"Who created THEE GOD ALMIGHTY?" is an illogical question since GOD ALMIGHTY doesn't have the attribute of being created by someone else.

Simple.

Note: I'm only refferring to the THEE GOD (ALLAH) as God. Other so called gods (idols, spirits, etc) are man made infiltrations.

Beautiful!! i love ur answer...

 

[Blue Blood]

පකිස්ථාන ජාතිකයන් පසුගිය කාලේ විවිධ රටවල අහිංසක මිනිසුන්ට වෙඩි තියව්වා , බෝම්බ ගැහුවා අල්ලා දෙවියන්ගේ නම විකුනමින්.ලංඩන් බෝම්බ පිපිරවීම, මුම්බයි වෙඩි තැබීම, ලංකාවේ ක්‍රීඩකයන්ට වෙඩි තැබීම.මේක නිසා අල්ලා පකිස්තානයට සිය කෝපය ප්‍රකාශ කරලා තියෙනවා.නබි තුමා ඌරු මස් කන්න අකමැති ඇති.හරියට සමහරු, බන්ඩක්කා, කරවිල ,බ‍ටු කන්න ආස නැති නිසා.ඒකයි එතුමන් ඌරන්ව තහනම් කරලා තියෙන්නේ.

නැහැ මචං මේකයි,
මිනිස්සු මොන මස් කැවත් මිනීමස් කන්නේ නැහැනෙ.
බල්ල මොන මස් කැවත් බලුමස් කන්නෙත් නැහැනෙ.
ඌර කියල ඒකෙ වෙනසක් තියෙන්න බැහැනේ...

 

[mensoft2003]

නැහැ මචං මේකයි,
මිනිස්සු මොන මස් කැවත් මිනීමස් කන්නේ නැහැනෙ.
බල්ල මොන මස් කැවත් බලුමස් කන්නෙත් නැහැනෙ.
ඌර කියල ඒකෙ වෙනසක් තියෙන්න බැහැනේ...

කොන කැපිලත් ඔයවගේම එකක්ද ?