Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran

[njsa]

Yes this is it. Please direct me to where you have discussed this? In the following thread I created, you did not continue the discussion after sometime and the status of women in Islam was well established in the end.

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=659883

in that thread i had given enough reply to show u how its practicle.but u didnt convinced with the answer.so its was best to leave u to continue what u believe. one-day when u get a chance u will realize the reality.inshaallah!!

first understand that this verse is talking about the wives who are misbehaving.
so in islam if a wife disobeys and committing mistakes it affects the whole family.coz she is the main rope of a family even though the father is just the supplier.so mother/women has a very big role in a family.
so for a irresponsible women first thing he should do is admonish.(අවවාද කරනවා). do u agree with this?
first he should

if she still doesn't listen or correct her mistakes second thing he should do is refuse to share their beds.
islam cant tell the women to do this to her husband becoz if a women showed this and demand bed there are more chance that he go and sleep somewhere else..so it could split the family than protect.

third is beat them lightly.in this prophet has described it is from the miswaark/a small stick which they used as a brush at that age.also not allowed to hit on the face and should not have any mark on her body.so it describes how light the beating should b.

also in quran

It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah, Ch.2, Verse No.187, which says, Which means… ‘Your wives are your garments, and you are their garments’.

What’s the objective of garments - It is used to conceal and to beautify.

The husband and wife, should conceal each others faults, and they should beautify each other - Its a relationship of hands and gloves.

The Qur’an mentions that, ‘even if you do not like your wife, you should treat her kindly’.

It is mentioned in Surah Nisa, Ch.4, Verse No.19, that, ‘...consort with them (your wives) in kindness, for if you hate them it may happen that you hate a thing wherein God has placed much good.

Even if you dislike your wife you have to treat her kindly and with equity..

as per the law which created by men tells that if a women disobeys can get a divorce.very simple.thats the reason why in western countries there are many single parents.in countries like us put rules thinking that they giving equal rights to women. yet y there are problems in those families?

Bukhari vol. 7 book 62: 32 the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said,” None of you should flog your wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day.”

 

[Wal Bada]

So how about one mans witness equal to that of two women?
Then inheritance also regards that men are twice as women?

Another surah says your wives are tilth to you.

njsa, explain yourself.

 

[Wal Bada]

So how about one mans witness equal to that of two women?
Then inheritance also regards that men are twice as women?

Another surah says your wives are tilth to you.

njsa, explain yourself.

 

[Wal Bada]

"Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said,” None of you should flog your wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."

So this means you can beat your wife but not as hard as a slave? Disgusting to say the least.

 

[njsa]

So how about one mans witness equal to that of two women?
Then inheritance also regards that men are twice as women?

Another surah says your wives are tilth to you.

njsa, explain yourself.

mm..i sure we discussed this in a thread somedays earlier and one of u called me mad women or something!!(i dont care that coz u ar the people who respect women by heart kn!!.)

yes,witness is two women equal to one men.

And get two witnesses of your own men, and if there are not two men then a man and two women such as you choose for witnesses - so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her... [Baqarah 2:182]

so what?/// women forget comparing to men,emotional,biased towards the loved once. there is a saying know "හොරාගෙ අම්මගෙන් පේන ඇහුවා වගේ..."also sometime scared to provide the truth if she get any black males...isnt it???(if u dont believe in this,watch some hindi movies and u will realise!)

quarn tells only about that she forget.others mentioned here are what i feel comparing to men..ok?!!


do u know that what are the duties of a man in islam???????

he the one who should look after the parents not daughter!daughters dont have to give even one rupee.its the full responsibility of the male.

a brother have to look after his sisters,arranging their marriage financially...its a must !!

see..men have to do more when the girl doing nothing for the family.she will just get all the benefit and may leave happily with her husband.

also she can get whatever she wants from her groom.she can demand and if he is not able to give that mahar/ gift the wedding is not valid.islam keeps women in high.not like u.

in srilanka how u people devide the share.why u give ur house to the youngest son but not to daughters?

a brother not worring about the sisters.? the girl should earn and save for her wedding.but in islam women just enjoy as she is sure that her father and brother will look after everything.

 

[Wal Bada]

mm..i sure we discussed this in a thread somedays earlier and one of u called me mad women or something!!(i dont care that coz u ar the people who respect women by heart kn!!.)

Show with evidence or I'll call you a lier.

yes,witness is two women equal to one men.

And get two witnesses of your own men, and if there are not two men then a man and two women such as you choose for witnesses - so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her... [Baqarah 2:182]

so what?/// women forget comparing to men,emotional,biased towards the loved once. there is a saying know "හොරාගෙ අම්මගෙන් පේන ඇහුවා වගේ..."also sometime scared to provide the truth if she get any black males...isnt it???(if u dont believe in this,watch some hindi movies and u will realise!)

Yes, that means Quran is insulting the intelligence of women. Pure and simple. Not only thieve's mother, even father won't be impartial. And Muhammad has said that Women are of lower intelligence than men, which is proven beyond doubt to be false (IQ are same for men and women of same educational status). Judging things by Hindi movies shows that you are sorrily mistaken becase in real life things don't work as that. BTW who want those shitty Hindi movies? In all other countries of the world under any legal system men's and women's witness has same value. Unless you prove that women have lower IQ than men with scientific proof, your points have no value.

quarn tells only about that she forget.others mentioned here are what i feel comparing to men..ok?!!

So men cannot forget? LMAO.

do u know that what are the duties of a man in islam???????

I don't care about duties that taught by a 1400 year old Religion. I am worried about duties of humans in 21st century. If Islam could be applied to all times, it should address the current needs. If not, it shows that it is only valid for past, which in-turn shows that it cannot come from an omnipotent person, or Allah is not omnipotent because he cannot see the future.

he the one who should look after the parents not daughter!daughters dont have to give even one rupee.its the full responsibility of the male.

Bollocks. That may be true in the Arbian desert 1400 years ago. Today it is not the case. Women do maintain families, especially widowed ones.

a brother have to look after his sisters,arranging their marriage financially...its a must !!

So what does it have to do with the half value in front of the courts? You think in other cultures it is the other way round? LMAO.

see..men have to do more when the girl doing nothing for the family.she will just get all the benefit and may leave happily with her husband.

Typical Muslim. A house wife do a lot of things that cannot be measured by money. Women usually do more than men for families. Your argumnets getting ridiculous.

also she can get whatever she wants from her groom.she can demand and if he is not able to give that mahar/ gift the wedding is not valid.islam keeps women in high.not like u.

Islam allows wife beating. They cover women because males cannot control there filthy lust. Muslim males keep dreaming about houris of the celestial brothel house and compare their wives to a houri. Don't get me started on this.

in srilanka how u people devide the share.why u give ur house to the youngest son but not to daughters?

Who says? The Family house is given to the youngest son. But that doesn't mean duaghters will go empty handed. Prove that daughters go empty handed whiles sons get everything, then I'll accept your argument. Then why you keep running back to Sinhala culture to protect your book? Is it so inept that it has no existence without running back to other cultures? LMFAO.

a brother not worring about the sisters.? the girl should earn and save for her wedding.but in islam women just enjoy as she is sure that her father and brother will look after everything.

So what does this has to do with half value of evidence in front of the coutrs? LMAO.

 

[njsa]

Show with evidence or I'll call you a lier.

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252826&page=17
even now u can call me a lier coz it really doesnt care how u call me.

Yes, that means Quran is insulting the intelligence of women. Pure and simple. Not only thieve's mother, even father won't be impartial. And Muhammad has said that Women are of lower intelligence than men, which is proven beyond doubt to be false (IQ are same for men and women of same educational status).

this is not about the inteligence.in islam the most hadiths narrated by a women, mother of the belivers aysha anhu. what ever u say there is a different in a women and men.thats it.!!

Judging things by Hindi movies shows that you are sorrily mistaken becase in real life things don't work as that. BTW who want those shitty Hindi movies? In all other countries of the world under any legal system men's and women's witness has same value. Unless you prove that women have lower IQ than men with scientific proof, your points have no value.

i just for joke told u to watch a movie and see.if u feel that the law system of today is the best,then carry on with ur view.u cant understand about women.u just talking blindly here.women have other health conditions which have to face monthly and occasionally.women forgeful during her pregnancy as well. sometime women judge things in a different way.even if a murderer cries she will feel sorry for him.thats the nature of women.first understand all of this!

So men cannot forget? LMAO.

y not!! thats why there should b two witnesses.not one!!

I don't care about duties that taught by a 1400 year old Religion. I am worried about duties of humans in 21st century. If Islam could be applied to all times, it should address the current needs. If not, it shows that it is only valid for past, which in-turn shows that it cannot come from an omnipotent person, or Allah is not omnipotent because he cannot see the future.

yes.in this 21 century people had discovered many things.not like those 1400 year old rules.there are old age homes,homes for disable.so well done!!

Bollocks. That may be true in the Arbian desert 1400 years ago. Today it is not the case. Women do maintain families, especially widowed ones.

u dont have to proud of this.and will u stay at home looking after the kids and send ur wife to work....of coz women are working coz men just escaping from the responsibilities telling that v both are equal.women can maintain family,but islam is never forcing to it.in islam women can earn as well.but what she earn belongs to her.husband cant ask that from her.

So what does it have to do with the half value in front of the courts? You think in other cultures it is the other way round? LMAO.

i think i already ansewred this.

Typical Muslim. A house wife do a lot of things that cannot be measured by money. Women usually do more than men for families. Your argumnets getting ridiculous.

im not talking about the house work.im talking about the financial support.looking after the parents and sisters in the head of the male not women in anyway.u may feel ridiculous coz u never think that in this way.

Islam allows wife beating. They cover women because males cannot control there filthy lust. Muslim males keep dreaming about houris of the celestial brothel house and compare their wives to a houri. Don't get me started on this.

islam doesnt allow beating their wife as u highlighting.islam tells that the women can divorce her husband if she fears of the beating and abusing.
houri are just servants and i dont know any1 who dream of that.we know they are there.but we dont dream of that.even by dreaming if a good thing is happening whats the wrong in that.

Who says? The Family house is given to the youngest son. But that doesn't mean duaghters will go empty handed. Prove that daughters go empty handed whiles sons get everything, then I'll accept your argument. Then why you keep running back to Sinhala culture to protect your book? Is it so inept that it has no existence without running back to other cultures? LMFAO.

i dont have to come behind ur culture.i dont like u spitting looking up,coz it will come straight to ur face.
tell me why giving it like that.can give it to the daughter know.
may b not sending their daughters empty handed,but i know that the girls in srilanka have to work and save for their wedding.for their future when muslim women rest and enjoy their life while the father and her brother looking after everything for them.

So what does this has to do with half value of evidence in front of the coutrs? LMAO.

already answered.

 

[Wal Bada]

1. The entire page 17 of the thread does not have a post made by me. Here are all posts made by me in that thread. Try to find it.

2.

this is not about the inteligence.in islam the most hadiths narrated by a women, mother of the belivers aysha anhu. what ever u say there is a different in a women and men.thats it.!!

If that is it, there's no point in arguing with a brain washed idiot like you (Yeah, you see I used the word "Idiot"!). Unless you prove that men and women have different capabilities in giving witness, scientifically, you are an EPIC FAIL.

3. Don't beat about the bush. In current society males also look after children, and cook too! Especially in my profession where both husband and wife are postgraduate trainee doctors. According to your argument women's testimony should be better than men's because they do more work! Another EPIC FAIL.

4.

y not!! thats why there should b two witnesses.not one!!

- Can you prove that it needs equal amount of witnesses irrespective of the sex of the witness? Can you prove it with the particular surah?

5.

islam doesnt allow beating their wife as u highlighting.

- Don't lie. It's there in Quran. Do you need the surah?

6.

may b not sending their daughters empty handed,but i know that the girls in srilanka have to work and save for their wedding

- So that makes Quran correct in giving half the inherutance to daughter that of son? Why do you come back to our culture to defend your book? Defend it infront of the Roman-Ducth law which is the legislative system here.

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

Hey Walbada,

I think someone is acting super-stupid and dumb so that she can defend and show that her stupid scripture is right.

 

[IbnIshaq]

oh

 

[njsa]

1. The entire page 17 of the thread does not have a post made by me. Here are all posts made by me in that thread. Try to find it.

mm..i sure we discussed this in a thread somedays earlier and one of u called me mad women or something!!(i dont care that coz u ar the people who respect women by heart kn!!
i thought ur not an idiot who cant understand that simple meaning of the sentence i made.

2. If that is it, there's no point in arguing with a brain washed idiot like you (Yeah, you see I used the word "Idiot"!). Unless you prove that men and women have different capabilities in giving witness, scientifically, you are an EPIC FAIL.

even i feel no use talking with an idiot who ignores everything so he can prove that the quran is wrong.i told u that women face forgetfulness during her menses or the pregnancy.can u deny that?brain washed..mmmm???????one day u will know who is the failier!!

3. Don't beat about the bush. In current society males also look after children, and cook too! Especially in my profession where both husband and wife are postgraduate trainee doctors. According to your argument women's testimony should be better than men's because they do more work! Another EPIC FAIL.

yes.because women do much for the family they get half of what the male get and release from all the responsibilities from the family.im here talking about the majority of families where husband works and the wife a home maker.also tell me that when both working and having kids they face a problem looking after kids.so one should leave the job.i dont know any husband who tells that he will stay and look after kids and wife to continue work even if she earns more than him.

4. - Can you prove that it needs equal amount of witnesses irrespective of the sex of the witness? Can you prove it with the particular surah?

]There are about five verses in the Qur’an that mention witnesses, without specifying male or female. There is only one verse in the Qur’an, that says two female witnesses are equal to one male witness.This verse of the Qur’an deals only with financial transactions. In such cases, it is advised to make an agreement in writing between the parties and take two witnesses, preferably both of which should be men only. In case you cannot find two men, then one man and two women would suffice.in financial transactions, two men are preferred. Islam expects men to be the breadwinners of their families. Since financial responsibility is shouldered by men, they are expected to be well versed in financial transactions as compared to women. As a second option, the witness can be one man and two women, so that if one of the women errs the other can remind her

"Oh you who believe!
When death approaches any of you,
(take) witnesses among yourself when making bequests."
[Al-Qur’an 5:106]

two just persons of your own (brotherhood)
or other from outside if you are journeying
through the earth and the chance of death befalls you."
[Al-Qur’an 65:2]

"

[COLOR Two persons endued with justice in case of talaq.
="navy"]Four witnesses are required
in case of charge against chaste women,
[Al-Qur’an 24:4][/COLOR]

one particular verse of the Qur’an from Surah Noor chapter 24, verse 6 clearly equates one female witness and one male witness:

"And those who launch a charge
against their spouses, and have (in support)
no evidence but their own -
their solitary evidence can be received."
[Al-Qur’an 24:6]

5. - Don't lie. It's there in Quran. Do you need the surah?

i dont need as i know its there.the people like u who just talk without even look ,atleast i should show u!!

6. - So that makes Quran correct in giving half the inherutance to daughter that of son? Why do you come back to our culture to defend your book? Defend it infront of the Roman-Ducth law which is the legislative system here.

i already told u that men have responsibilities toward his family,looking after sisters.so even he get double the amount he should spend more than 70% for the family and the daughter should not give even one rupee.she is released from that responsibility.
i dont want to defend my book at all. i just wanted to know why u giving the house.isnt that because even in ur culture believe that boys should look after the parents.roman-dutch? why i need to defend with them...i dnt see any good law than from the god who knows well about his creations.

 

[njsa]

Hey Walbada,

I think someone is acting super-stupid and dumb so that she can defend and show that her stupid scripture is right.

ur a born stupid!!

 

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[njsa]

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[M.RIZ]

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[Wal Bada]

mm..i sure we discussed this in a thread somedays earlier and one of u called me mad women or something!!(i dont care that coz u ar the people who respect women by heart kn!!

No you haven't found where I said so. If you accuse you better show where I did so. Stop lying you lier.

even i feel no use talking with an idiot who ignores everything so he can prove that the quran is wrong.i told u that women face forgetfulness during her menses or the pregnancy.can u deny that?brain washed..mmmm???????one day u will know who is the failier!!

This is a fucking joke. It's women who remembers there last menstrual period to calculate period of gestation in pregnancy, but not their husbands! Can you show with scientific evindnce that during menses and pregnancy women forget?. Come on, show it, with proper scientific evidence. Don't blabber nonsense.

yes.because women do much for the family they get half of what the male get and release from all the responsibilities from the family.im here talking about the majority of families where husband works and the wife a home maker.also tell me that when both working and having kids they face a problem looking after kids.so one should leave the job.i dont know any husband who tells that he will stay and look after kids and wife to continue work even if she earns more than him.

So, Islam fails to speak to the minority. That it self is an EPIC FAIL for Islam, because if it is from Allah, it should be appliocable for every one. On other hand women do more work and get less inheritance in Islam,. Once gain that shows women are not regarded as equal to men.

There are about five verses in the Qur’an that mention witnesses, without specifying male or female. There is only one verse in the Qur’an, that says two female witnesses are equal to one male witness.This verse of the Qur’an deals only with financial transactions. In such cases, it is advised to make an agreement in writing between the parties and take two witnesses, preferably both of which should be men only. In case you cannot find two men, then one man and two women would suffice.in financial transactions, two men are preferred. Islam expects men to be the breadwinners of their families. Since financial responsibility is shouldered by men, they are expected to be well versed in financial transactions as compared to women. As a second option, the witness can be one man and two women, so that if one of the women errs the other can remind her

You admitted it yourself. Buahaha!

i dont need as i know its there.the people like u who just talk without even look ,atleast i should show u!!

So now, you admit that Quran allows wife beating?

 

[Wal Bada]

NSJA's to prove list

1. Women are inferior in intelligence to men
2. Women tend to forget more on days of menstruation and pregnancy


I am awaiting for njsa's evidence

 

[njsa]

No you haven't found where I said so. If you accuse you better show where I did so. Stop lying you lier.

.i sure we discussed this in a thread somedays earlier and one of u called me mad women or something!!

this is what i mentioned.so now tell me where i mentioned thats its u who told that.it was from ur supporting jokers.read well!!

This is a fucking joke. It's women who remembers there last menstrual period to calculate period of gestation in pregnancy, but not their husbands! Can you show with scientific evindnce that during menses and pregnancy women forget?. Come on, show it, with proper scientific evidence. Don't blabber nonsense.

http://www.healthnewstrack.com/health-news-270.html

http://desifa.com/menstruation-disorder-how-to-care.html
i think ur a trainee doctor.find for ur self the scientific facts.it willhelp u in future.

So, Islam fails to speak to the minority. That it self is an EPIC FAIL for Islam, because if it is from Allah, it should be appliocable for every one. On other hand women do more work and get less inheritance in Islam,. Once gain that shows women are not regarded as equal to men.

you are such fool who cant understand.women do much to her husband.she gets everything from husband.no need to do anything for her parents even though she gets her share.anyway these type of things u cant understand where u send ur parents to old age homes.rules are for all women and men.u picking individual and trying to compare.so the people ur picking ...there are the minority.

You admitted it yourself. Buahaha!

read it again ...i told there are 5 verses in quran.and only in one place/situation need two witnesses of men.dont act mongol here.

So now, you admit that Quran allows wife beating?

"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"

mm... now what?!!
here we go again.....read my previous two replies.if ur a truthful person u will admit what i telling it as correct.or ur in the same boat of ex muslim carry on with ur view.only thing i can do is let u go on ur way.cant wake a person who is actually sleeping..but never a person who acting as sleeping!!!

 

[njsa]

NSJA's to prove list

1. Women are inferior in intelligence to men
2. Women tend to forget more on days of menstruation and pregnancy


I am awaiting for njsa's evidence

where i told u men intelligent to women.i told that women have forgetfulness comparing to men.

are u really a trainee doctor?. search Google and see.from the first u just playing with words.this is how u trying to knock islam.very shame about u and many here who really act jerks!!

u also tell me if ur wife and u working and u face a situation where one of u have to leave the job will u ask your wife to continue her job coz her salary more than u and u take take care everything staying at home while ur wife earn for u!!
im waiting for a reply......
i want your reply to b yes.coz u dont see any different between men and women.
if ur answer is yes...there is no big lier in this world than u!!!!!

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

ur a born stupid!!

I am sure Ahmed will blame it on creator! how about you??