Yes.I claimed, what I said was, there are many clear cut contradiction in the bible,
If only parts are corrupted, that means there are parts that are correct. Right?So I don't trust as whole, apart from having faith on the Injeel. Original version of injeel is corrupted,
if I tell you this you will not accept, as I’m a Muslim, but see the evidence from Christians themselves, decide still are you going to argue on behalf of them? .
Yes but they say that some parts of the bible are true. The question is not whether bible is corrupted or not. I merely pointed out that just like you answer questions about Qaran, Christians do the same.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece
fiction exist. http://carm.org/what-bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2016:9-20;&version=NIV;
Also, CNN July 2008 and 2009(which i couldnt attach here) give me your email id.i will send u
As you quoted, they may lie with some reason to hide bible mistakes such as Genesis 2:4 refers to the account of when the land was created in the garden of Eden in paradise, whereas Genesis 1 refers to the creations of the heavens and the Earth." Please note that Genesis 2:4 says: "This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created." This doesn't refer to the heavens and garden of Eden! It refers to the heavens and the Earth which Genesis 1 shows that were created. This refutation is therefore invalid.
Some Christians may say: "In Genesis 2:5, "shrub of the field" only refers to domestic plants, whereas Genesis 1:11-12 does not." The Hebrew word used in Genesis 2:5 for "field" is "sadeh." (*) "Please note that the SAME Hebrew word is used in Genesis 2:19 to describe the animals that Adam named. Does that mean he only named domestic animals? According to the SAME standards, that means Genesis 2:19 refers to domestic animals. Moreover, Christians have NO proof to allege that Genesis 2:5 refers to domestic plants. They only have the Bible to rely on, NOTHING ELSE and this refutation is therefore invalid.
If you are still not convinced with what I say, ask any of your Christian friends to have poison & prove him he is the real Christian, surely I never heard someone tried this. I don’t think you did even. Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… ‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents
And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’
This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer
He never promoted terrorism; if you want you may go back & watch the original video in which Dr.Naik addressed. maybe you watched the fabricated youtubes which was done by anti elements of Dr.Zakir.
I posted the evidence at the beginning of the thread. What more do you need than the actual person saying "Every muslim must be a terrorist?" How ever I do have other reasons why I say he supports terrorist groups like Al Qaida.See unnecessarily you can’t label someone as wrong, please provide enough proof before you say some one wrong.
If a person says, "every muslim must be a terrorrist " is that person right or wrong?If someone really wrong I will say wrong, Im not going to argue infavour of any person who promote terror. After all I’m a muslim, my faith never allows that.
I posted the video at the beginning of thread. See it yourself. He clears says "Every Muslim must be a terrorist" Are you saying that it is not a real video? If there's an original one give me the link.
I posted the evidence at the beginning of the thread. What more do you need than the actual person saying "Every muslim must be a terrorist?" How ever I do have other reasons why I say he supports terrorist groups like Al Qaida.
If a person says, "every muslim must be a terrorrist " is that person right or wrong?
Good point. Zakir even denies Taliban are bad. SO he Aproves destroying Bamyan Buddha- A world heritage site.
Of course when some one calls for a people following a religion to be terrorists whats the worth of that religion and that person. I wouldnt consider them to be even "HUMANS".
Nope it is not clear. All the so called contradictions have been answered.
See anything can be answered; problem is whether it is logically answered. For example as I asked you falsification test to identify the true christians, can any Christians answered logically this??
If only parts are corrupted, that means there are parts that are correct. Right?[/SIZE][/FONT]
May be some parts are correct. What I was telling repeatedly that we are not going to follow a revelation which has even a minor corruption.
Yes but they say that some parts of the bible are true. The question is not whether bible is corrupted or not. I merely pointed out that just like you answer questions about Qaran, Christians do the same.
Then it is up to the people to decide, whether bible is correct or not. Maximum we can say it is wrong by showing proof.
The original question which you still did not answer is, since only parts of bible are corrupted, how can you say the above part mentioned by ExMuslimAhemed is coorrupted?
Ok. Even if I accept that part is correct for the sake of argument, what I am asking from you or exmuslim ahmed, then why the same bible says about someone to come as mentioned below. Then bible contradict itself isn’t it.some one who says islam is not from God, 1st he has to clarify what is mentioned in the book he is showing proof from
01-John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
02-Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
03-Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".
04-Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Exmuslim hasn’t given a reply for this,as he is a moron. I’m expecting a reply from you.
There's nothing relevant here.
(1)You pointed out some errors in bible
(2)I said they have been answered.
(3)You asked me where and I pointed out.
So I think I made my point, which is just like muslims try to answer the so called contradictions in qaran, Christians try to do the same. And we can continue to argue the same saying non of the explanations are valid for both Christianity and Islam. Muslims will hold their cliam, Christians will hold theirs. There's no way to say which party is right.
I don't understand why you are now bringing out different parts of bible and talking about all that. What is your point? I have made my point clear.
Ok I understand your point. You r not here, for proving something. You are saying, Christians also answers for Muslims’ question, regardless of whether it is logically correct or not.
Then now it is up to the people to decide which is correct, only thing we can do is put forward the message and the proof.
I posted the video at the beginning of thread. See it yourself. He clears says "Every Muslim must be a terrorist" Are you saying that it is not a real video? If there's an original one give me the link.
Only part of the video posted here, I don’t know the reason why it was not posted full. this is the total video clip.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAT0SzUF2Ng&feature=related
in the context, at the start he says standout for injustice, he doesn’t know what news is correct, every muslim should be terrorist the thing is that if someone is terrorizing the terrorist he is following islam also he says he is not for osama binladen. So it is very clear. He is not promoting terrorism.
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If you don’t still agree with the intention of Dr.zakir you can see his another video below.[/COLOR]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIQFHMQve4&feature=player_embedded
What Dr. Zakir says, all the muslims should be terrorist in the context of against the anti socials element. Not in context of terrorizing against the innocent people. Hope you understand.
I posted the evidence at the beginning of the thread. What more do you need than the actual person saying "Every muslim must be a terrorist?" How ever I do have other reasons why I say he supports terrorist groups like Al Qaida.
If a person says, "every muslim must be a terrorrist " is that person right or wrong?
Reason #3:
Islam cannot be from God because it denies the Godhood of Jesus. In the Qur’an, Muhammad takes great pains to deny the deity of Jesus. It demeans Jesus and makes him just a man. In Philippians, Paul asserts that Jesus existed in the form of God.
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe in God and His messengers..."(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
umba monawa vishwasa kalath kamak ne
umata onema religion 1k adahanna puluwan wagema anith ayatath e RIGHT 1 thiyenawa
hema religion 1tama respect karanna denaganin
umba NO God kiyala vishwasa kalata kamak ne
Anith ayata NO God kiyana eka thamai reality kiyala kiyanna epa
Even with current bible,there are some versus refers to Mohammed.
01)John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever." Forever? Mohomed
02)Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
03)Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you". This is the spirit of God (The Holy Spirit)
04)Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
Mohomed even do not know where he gets this revelation (Grariel or Lusifer)
whoever want to disprove prophet Mohammed, before he quote any verse from bible, he has to explain & clarify the above versus from the same bible.
Reason #3:
Islam cannot be from God because it denies the Godhood of Jesus. In the Qur’an, Muhammad takes great pains to deny the deity of Jesus. It demeans Jesus and makes him just a man. In Philippians, Paul asserts that Jesus existed in the form of God.
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe in God and His messengers..."(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
Really, OMG...Man existed in the form of GOD??? fabricated & misunderstood religion....
Matthew 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
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Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.
1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
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1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
Certainly there are some bad guys out there so be careful I am not going to say others are all bad guys most important thing is to distingush what is good and what is bad then try to avoid doing unwholesome things try to be good Good religion will teach you how to love one another not wage war agaist anothers
The most beautiful thing is you have a choice at the end of the day you yourself make the ultimate choice which have good or bad concequences other people can influence it but ultimately you are the one who make the final decision / Choice
. "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows." - Galatians 6:7.
I would prefer if Lord Buddha came after Jesus Christ
Sometime I think is there another way?
ex-muslim Ahmed thank you for this point this is the most important factor that makes Islam and christianity totally diferent first i tought we all talking abt same God from this point if you a very smart person you will realise the truth Bible says "Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son" so I dont want to lable them as Anti-Christ I want people to know that Christianity and Islam are two different religion Jesus Christ is true the Exaple of Gods Love. He perform many Miracles but do not forget even Satan can make miracles "The Choice is Yours"
Dear Muslim Brothers If my words hurt u i am sorry my intension is to differenciate Islam with Christianity
But Since we belive in Adam & Ave we all are brothers
No Need Any Reasons .
Islam is not from GOD
BUT
GOD is From Islam .