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Mawathagama · Apr 7, 2026

CohenLenstra said:
Have you read the Quran, I have not. So I have no comment about that.

Regarding this aggressive propagation, I have previously explained briefly how the creation Israel lead to instability in the middleeast, failure of govts, destruction of nation and then rise of radicalized Jihad extremists. Israel gains from stirring violence in the region.

So, alright all that jihad against Israel is due to the creation of Israel. Why is it in the rest of the world? Why in Asia? Asia didn't create Israel. Why did the Boko Haram kidnap the 200 Christian school girls? Chibok people didn't create Israel. Right?
Yes fortunately I have more than read the Quran.
I doubt that you haven't read it, becaue every Muslim I've met has read it, and believes that it's a miracle book of some sort.

CohenLenstra · Apr 7, 2026

Mawathagama said:
So, alright all that jihad against Israel is due to the creation of Israel. Why is it in the rest of the world? Why in Asia? Asia didn't create Israel. Why did the Boko Haram kidnap the 200 Christian school girls? Chibok people didn't create Israel. Right?
Yes fortunately I have more than read the Quran.
I doubt that you haven't read it, becaue every Muslim I've met has read it, and believes that it's a miracle book of some sort.

Muslim countries resisted the land grab and the creation of Israel this is immediately after WW2 in the 1950s. These countries were lead by Muslim leaders but were moderates. There resistance led the US to work against these leaders and destabilization of these countries. In certain cases US installed puppets undermining the sovereignty of these countries. People rose in rebellion, countries fell. Startvation and desperation became breeding grounds for extremism, this cycle was self perpetuating. Eventually, idealogy started spreading across the world. Now it has become a cancer.

This what I explained above, is without factoring in various claims and conspiracies of US-Israeli funding to extremist elements so that Muslim countries remain in chaos.

Mawathagama · Apr 7, 2026

CohenLenstra said:
Muslim countries resisted the land grab and the creation of Israel this is immediately after WW2 in the 1950s. These countries were lead by Muslim leaders but were moderates. There resistance led the US to work against these leaders and destabilization of these countries. In certain cases US installed puppets undermining the sovereignty of these countries. People rose in rebellion, countries fell. Startvation and desperation became breeding grounds for extremism, this cycle was self perpetuating. Eventually, idealogy started spreading across the world. Now it has become a cancer.

This what I explained above, is without factoring in various claims and conspiracies of US-Israeli funding to extremist elements so that Muslim countries remain in chaos.

There you are. Whatever the causes are, Islam has become a cancer. Thank you. And good night.

CohenLenstra · Apr 7, 2026

Mawathagama said:
There you are. Whatever the causes are, Islam has become a cancer. Thank you. And good night.

Good you are satisfied now - lol despite the causes. Such convenience.

Muzain · Apr 9, 2026

topkollek said:
මුන් වෙන ආගම්වල ගෑනු 4ක් කසාද බැඳල ආගම පතුරවන වැඩේ කරනවද?

ගෑනු බැදලා ආගම ප්‍රචාරය කරන්න පුලුවන්ද ?

topkollek · Apr 9, 2026

Muzain said:
ගෑනු බැදලා ආගම ප්‍රචාරය කරන්න පුලුවන්ද ?

Quran 2:221 forbids Muslim men from marrying polytheists/idolaters (mushrikāt) or women from religions that involve polytheism or atheism in the classical Islamic view.
This covers the vast majority of other faiths (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, most pagan or new-age beliefs, atheism, etc.). The woman would need to accept Islam first for the marriage to be valid in Islamic law.

Muzain · Apr 10, 2026

topkollek said:
Quran 2:221 forbids Muslim men from marrying polytheists/idolaters (mushrikāt) or women from religions that involve polytheism or atheism in the classical Islamic view.
This covers the vast majority of other faiths (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, most pagan or new-age beliefs, atheism, etc.). The woman would need to accept Islam first for the marriage to be valid in Islamic law.

Yes! So if the women doesn't like or want she can refuse. So does the man.
How does that implicate " ආගම ප්‍රචාරය" ???

Beside, If they marry any way according to the narration you quote, the marriage is not valid hence it even wont fall on the category of "ආගම ප්‍රචාරය"

topkollek · Apr 10, 2026

Muzain said:
Yes! So if the women doesn't like or want she can refuse. So does the man.
How does that implicate " ආගම ප්‍රචාරය" ???

Beside, If they marry any way according to the narration you quote, the marriage is not valid hence it even wont fall on the category of "ආගම ප්‍රචාරය"

Brave enough to see the analysis?

Yes, it can reasonably be interpreted that way as an indirect or structural mechanism that facilitates the spread of Islam, though this is more of a consequence or sociological effect than the verse's explicit, primary purpose according to classical Islamic exegesis (tafsir).

What the verse actually says and its core emphasis

Quran 2:221 states (in clear terms across major translations):

"And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry your women [to polytheistic men] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those [polytheists] invite [you] to the Fire, while Allah invites to Paradise and forgiveness by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people so that they may remember."

The verse applies symmetrically to both Muslim men and women regarding mushrikāt/mushrikīn (polytheists/idolaters). It does not ban all interfaith marriages outright—Quran 5:5 separately permits Muslim men to marry chaste women from the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians), who are distinguished from polytheists in classical jurisprudence. Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, pagans, etc., fall under the polytheist prohibition unless they convert first.

The stated reason in the verse itself is protection of faith: polytheists "invite to the Fire" (i.e., their beliefs, practices, and influence could lead the Muslim spouse and family toward disbelief or shirk). Classical tafsirs (e.g., those synthesized from al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir, al-Sa'di, and others) stress spiritual compatibility over physical attraction, wealth, or status. A believing spouse—even a slave—is better because marriage is a profound partnership that shapes daily life, children’s upbringing, and one’s own iman (faith). The goal is to safeguard the believer from being pulled away from tawhid (monotheism), not to launch a missionary campaign.

How it can function as a way of spreading Islam (the incentive angle)

That said, the rule does create a clear practical incentive for conversion:

For a polytheist/idolater woman (the vast majority of non-Abrahamic faiths, plus atheists in the classical view) who wants to marry a Muslim man, the only path to a valid Islamic marriage is her acceptance of Islam first.
Once she converts, the marriage is fully valid, children are considered Muslim (following the father in patrilineal Islamic law), and the family unit operates within an Islamic framework.
Historically, when Muslim communities were minorities or expanding through conquest/trade, intermarriage (or concubinage) was a documented demographic vector for Islam’s growth. Requiring conversion for most non-Abrahamic partners tilts the outcome toward expansion rather than assimilation into other faiths.

Some modern commentators (e.g., Javed Ahmad Ghamidi on the related permission for Ahl al-Kitab in 5:5) explicitly note that allowing marriage to Jews/Christians carried the potential for those women (and their networks) to be positively influenced toward Islam. The stricter rule for polytheists removes the risk of the reverse influence while still opening a door via conversion. In functional terms, this is a built-in asymmetry that favors the growth of the Muslim population over time.

Different perspectives on intent vs. effect

Classical/traditional view: This is not framed as a dawah (proselytization) strategy. Scholars emphasize prevention of harm to faith over active recruitment. Some even caution that interfaith exposure can go both ways and isn’t recommended for da’wah unless the Muslim is exceptionally strong in knowledge and piety.
Sociological/historical view: Yes, it operates as a structural aid to expansion. Marriage is one of the most powerful social institutions for cultural and religious transmission. By making Islam a prerequisite for most intermarriages involving Muslim men, the rule effectively channels romantic and familial bonds toward conversion rather than dilution.
Progressive/reformist views: Some argue the verse is context-specific to 7th-century Arabian polytheists at war with early Muslims and should be read more flexibly today around shared monotheism or compatibility rather than strict labels. These interpretations often downplay the conversion requirement altogether.

In short: The verse’s stated wisdom is preserving the believer’s path to Paradise (protection). But its effect in practice—requiring conversion for the marriage to be Islamically valid—does create a mechanism that can (and historically has) contributed to spreading Islam through personal relationships and family formation. Whether one sees that as intentional “strategy” or a natural byproduct depends on the lens: theological (primary intent = protection) vs. functional/historical (net outcome = growth incentive). Both readings are defensible from the text and its real-world application.

topkollek · Apr 10, 2026

@Muzain

"Love jihad" is a controversial term used often by certain Hindu groups in India to allege that some Muslim men lure women from other faiths into relationships or marriage with the intent of religious conversion.

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/india/...in-encounter-nabbed-in-ups-kushinagar-3706215

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