ඇයි අපේ රටට මෙහෙම උනේ ?

[0Dinesh0]

i'm not interested in politics. i don't deny that they might have presented some valid points. but do you honestly think that something can really be objectively better so that forcing it upon some other society is justified ? what happens to democracy then ? wasn't it the same colonialists used to think ? don't you see a pattern here ?

පැටර්න් එක තියෙන්නේ ලංකාව පැත්තෙන් නේ බන්. චිනේ ඉදන් ඇමෙරිකාවට වෙනකන් කිසිම රටක් මේ වෙනකන් ලංකාවට හතුරු වැඩක් කරලා නැහැ. රුසියාව, චිනේ උබලට යුද්ද කරන්න වෙපන් දුන්නා. ඇමෙරිකන් උන් මිලිටරි ට්‍රේනින් එක්ක ඉන්ටෙල් දුන්නා. නමුත් උබලා කරන්නේ යුද්දයක් කරේ තියාගෙන තාම ඇවිදිනවා. ඕකනේ අවුල.. අද රටේ ඉන්න මිනිස්සු ජාති බේදයක් නැතිව ලාංකිකයෝ නෙමෙයිද? ඉතින් උබලා ආයේ මරාගන්නේ ඇයි? පහුගිය ටිකේ මුස්ලිම් කෝලහාල. මේ වගේ දේවල් කරලා රටේ ස්ටබිලිටි එකට කෙලවගත්තට පස්සේ, එක්කෝ චිනෙකුට හරි මොකෙකුට හරි අඩගහලා ඒ වෙලාවට ඉඩමක් දීලා හරි පොරොන්දුවක් දීලා හරි කීයක්හරි ඉල්ලගෙන වේල ගැටගහනවා. ඕකනේ කරන්නේ. දැන් මේ දවස්වල වෙන සිද්දියෙන් බලහන්. මම දැක්කා තැනක තියනවා මිලියන 20ක බුකින්ස් කැන්සල් කරලා කියලා ෆොරින් උන් වින්ටර් සීසන් එකේ ලංකාවට එන්න හිටිය. අපි යනවද කියහන්කෝ උතුරු කොරියාවේ නිවාඩුවකට. මේ තරමට හරි මිනිස්සු එන්නේ තාම මේක විලමැද බංගලාවේ විතරයි වලියට ගියේ. කොයි වෙලේ හරි සිවිල් කැරැල්ලකට මේක දිග් ගැස්සුනොත් මොකද වෙන්නේ..

 

[Sri Lankan Editor]

consumerism is the culprit not the capitalism.

True

Capitalism is a lesser evil than other failed idealogies
Consumerism is a bigger culprit

I like to add something more...

As consumerism is the / a culprit,
which means evil globalists / people are the culprits
and we, the supposedly good common people are allowing it to happen
(due to our selfishness or inability or sinfulness)
so we too are to be blamed partially

 

[asylum]

රටේ ඉන්න හැමෝම පන් ගෙඩිය පෝලිම ඉදල ගන්න එක හොද නැද්ද , රටේ යම් කොටසක් සුපර් මාර්කට් එකෙන් පාන් ගන්නකොට තව කොටසක් පන් කැල්ලක් ගන්න හිගාකන එකට වඩා ?

ohoma simple wediyata hithuwama in theory oya kramaya thamai hondama wage penne eth in practically full communism it the most fail system in the world.


okata hondama udaharane WW2 ekata passe wadiyenma minisu maruna ekata waga kiyanna one 3denak inawa directly or indirectly joseph stalin mao zedong kim Jong il thawa inawa ewagema kenek pol pot oya okomala communist wadin.


communist wade uparima thamai totalitarianism JVP ekata mulin one une oya thathweta yanna thamai.

 

[Sri Lankan Editor]

පුළුවන් නම් ඔන්න ඔය යුරෝ පාර්ලිමන්ට් එකේ වෙච්ච කතාව අහලා බලපන්. ඔතන තියනවා ලංකාව ජාත්යන්තරේ ගහන ගේම.. නය ගත්තා නම් ගෙවන්න ඕනා..

ඇහුව බන්,,, ඕක ඉතින් සිරා සිද්දිය...

Machanz, do you have the link?
Kawadda wuna ekak da?

 

[0Dinesh0]

Machanz, do you have the link?
Kawadda wuna ekak da?

අර උඩ මම දාලා තියන එක බන්..

 

[Sri Lankan Editor]

ohoma simple wediyata hithuwama in theory oya kramaya thamai hondama wage penne eth in practically full communism it the most fail system in the world.

okata hondama udaharane WW2 ekata passe wadiyenma minisu maruna ekata waga kiyanna one 3denak inawa directly or indirectly joseph stalin mao zedong kim Jong il thawa inawa ewagema kenek pol pot oya okomala communist wadin.


communist wade uparima thamai totalitarianism JVP ekata mulin one une oya thathweta yanna thamai.

Owu Machanz, sahathika sathya
Stalin pamanak minissu miliyan 50ta wada maruwa
Mao killed over 60 million

And all these people killed the most innocent and talented people who were already working to make their countries (e.g. USSR, China) great
Thawamath China ewage Russia wenas wuna, issara hitapu Russia wage dan

 

[nalin0001]

මට ජොබ් එක ලැබුනේ එක්තාරා ඇමතියකුගේ මැදිහත් වීමෙන්. ඒත් මම උෟටවත් උගේ පක්ෂෙටවත් එක පාරක්වත් චන්දේ දීලා නෑ. මොකද මම කරන ජොබ් එකට මට සුදුසුකම් තිබෙන නිසා

 

[Pessimist]

i think there is more to it than what meets the eye
consumerism is the culprit not the capitalism.

i agree with this. society, specially how a society functions, is something extremely complex so that any picture of it might fail to describe it in certain situations. all we can do is to understand it in a given instance. so the framework to understand the state of consumerism or capitalism at this moment would fail when a real change occurred and we would have to construct a wholly different framework to understand it's changed state.

as for the capitalism, the main driving force of capitalism is consumerism. capitalism is based on consumerism. not a single corporation today would continue to function as usual if people stopped buying the things they don't want. corporations are brainwashing people into buying the things they don't want through clever psychological methods so they can gain huge profits. capitalism in the sense that what should be valued above all is monetary capital is only promoting this destructive lifestyle. we need some other ism which values the ecosystem, justice, health, knowledge and happiness. money or any other material good should only be a mediator not the ultimate goal.

 

[Vandetta]

i'm not interested in politics. i don't deny that they might have presented some valid points. but do you honestly think that something can really be objectively better so that forcing it upon some other society is justified ? what happens to democracy then ? wasn't it the same colonialists used to think ? don't you see a pattern here ?

you are right , i remember the trump's inauguration speech
' we will be the bright light of the world and let others follow us but not force them to embrace our values'

 

[Sri Lankan Editor]

අර උඩ මම දාලා තියන එක බන්..

Ah e video ekada.. aapu dawasema baluwa
Ela thanks Machanz

 

[Pessimist]

Eka aththa Machanz
but you are supporting both sides of the argument, ryt?
I think your stance on changing people's mindsets is a better argument
than debating for or against capitalism and socialism
because both are not the best answer due to evil and people

Also, I would like to add that...

I think maybe we deserve this upset political situation and idealogies because we as people have failed

Monawa wunath, api hamathissema hari deya / shresta deya karanna ona
Capitalism or socialist society ekaka or wena moke hitiyath
mokada apita wenas karanna baha oya dewal...
unless we become like Gamini Dissanayake or Athulathmudali and try to forge a different path in Sri Lanka
but then again, they were killed before they could achieve true change

to be honest i don't understand a thing that's happening in politics right now. politics is something that bores me to death what i'm interested in is the more fundamental level that brings about even political ideologies. culture , the mindset a culture promotes and the culture a mindset brings about. so i'm neither qualified nor informed enough to state any opinion on our current situation in our politics

 

[asylum]

Owu Machanz, sahathika sathya
Stalin pamanak minissu miliyan 50ta wada maruwa
Mao killed over 60 million

And all these people killed the most innocent and talented people who were already working to make their countries (e.g. USSR, China) great
Thawamath China ewage Russia wenas wuna, issara hitapu Russia wage dan

china dan totalitarian communism paren podak ain wela thiyenne dan godak ma free market economy pathata bara wela thiyenne habai china free market economy pathata awata passe thamai rata ochara diunu une 1997 wahanayak thibbe kiyen ke denatada dan loke wadiyen wahana thiyana rata china.


soviet union dissolved unata passe russia thamai wadiyen ma watuna rata eth ita passe putin awith communism ideology eka wenas karata passe thamai russia aya parak world power une natham foreign aid balan hitapu kalayak thibba russia wala.

 

[KasunKDP]

Ela, api ehenam tikak danenna serious debate karamu

Machanz, no offense, but you are not debating well, so I will have to be strict


Oya kiyanawa happiness kiyanne feeling ekak kiyala, eka thamai
Eka thamai mamath qwe
feeling ekak nam eka apita haki control karanna...
poor or rich, a person can be happy based on your assumption (above)
so your point is nullified

Machanz, podi lamayektath therenawa the philosophy behind socialism
Oke maha loku deyak naha
Eka thamai mama kalin qwe define karanna kiyala what type of socialism you mean
Market or communist etc.

The other thing, luck is only a base Machanz
Salli walin ipadena hama ekaama salli walin marenne naha..
Eya salli nathi karagannawa, life eka nathi wenawa

So oya kiyanne if you are born rich, you are better off?
That is not a valid point but true only in some instances

Oya dan karanna poor and igena gaththu nathi ayata insult kireemak?
Anith aya igena gaththe naha kiyala diyunu wenne bari naha
Puluwan, godak examples have

Luck is not the only factor Machanz

Oya kiyana widihata physically lassana girls la wa api katha karanna ona da?
Hodata oya hithana dewal tika oluwata aragnea yalith hithanna..
You are incorrect in your way of thinking by a very big distance

i don't think this is a debate,,, this was more of a discussion. that's why im using very loose terms expecting u to interpret them considering the context.

"feeling ekak nam eka apita haki control karanna"
- depends on the persons ability to do so, some 'unlucky' people (like me) can't find haplessness internally.

"Eka thamai mama kalin qwe define karanna kiyala what type of socialism you mean Market or communist"
- i wasn't talking about any particular type of socialism, i was referring to the left wing. I mentioned that in first few posts.

"The other thing, luck is only a base Machanz
Salli walin ipadena hama ekaama salli walin marenne naha..
Eya salli nathi karagannawa, life eka nathi wenawa"
- ofcourse, life eke hamadema depend wenne wealth eka anuwa nemei..thawa godak factors thiyanwa, but systematically control karanna
puluwan wealth eka witharai. wealth eka control karama anith dewaluth 'eventually' ibema hadagahenawa ex:- social status




Oya dan karanna poor and igena gaththu nathi ayata insult kireemak?
Anith aya igena gaththe naha kiyala diyunu wenne bari naha
Puluwan, godak examples have


again, depends on genetics, guidance, ...etc ---> luck


btw.. do u believe in free will? if u dont u should realize why i say ultimately everything comes down to 'luck'

 

[Vandetta]

i agree with this. society, specially how a society functions, is something extremely complex so that any picture of it might fail to describe it in certain situations. all we can do is to understand it in a given instance. so the framework to understand the state of consumerism or capitalism at this moment would fail when a real change occurred and we would have to construct a wholly different framework to understand it's changed state.

as for the capitalism, the main driving force of capitalism is consumerism. capitalism is based on consumerism. not a single corporation today would continue to function as usual if people stopped buying the things they don't want. corporations are brainwashing people into buying the things they don't want through clever psychological methods so they can gain huge profits. capitalism in the sense that what should be valued above all is monetary capital is only promoting this destructive lifestyle. we need some other ism which values the ecosystem, justice, health, knowledge and happiness. money or any other material good should only be a mediator not the ultimate goal.

this is not true . the world was built by capitalism way before consumerism stuck its jaws on it
and thats not capitalism either its evil cooperatism

 

[Pessimist]

පැටර්න් එක තියෙන්නේ ලංකාව පැත්තෙන් නේ බන්. චිනේ ඉදන් ඇමෙරිකාවට වෙනකන් කිසිම රටක් මේ වෙනකන් ලංකාවට හතුරු වැඩක් කරලා නැහැ. රුසියාව, චිනේ උබලට යුද්ද කරන්න වෙපන් දුන්නා. ඇමෙරිකන් උන් මිලිටරි ට්‍රේනින් එක්ක ඉන්ටෙල් දුන්නා. නමුත් උබලා කරන්නේ යුද්දයක් කරේ තියාගෙන තාම ඇවිදිනවා. ඕකනේ අවුල.. අද රටේ ඉන්න මිනිස්සු ජාති බේදයක් නැතිව ලාංකිකයෝ නෙමෙයිද? ඉතින් උබලා ආයේ මරාගන්නේ ඇයි? පහුගිය ටිකේ මුස්ලිම් කෝලහාල. මේ වගේ දේවල් කරලා රටේ ස්ටබිලිටි එකට කෙලවගත්තට පස්සේ, එක්කෝ චිනෙකුට හරි මොකෙකුට හරි අඩගහලා ඒ වෙලාවට ඉඩමක් දීලා හරි පොරොන්දුවක් දීලා හරි කීයක්හරි ඉල්ලගෙන වේල ගැටගහනවා. ඕකනේ කරන්නේ. දැන් මේ දවස්වල වෙන සිද්දියෙන් බලහන්. මම දැක්කා තැනක තියනවා මිලියන 20ක බුකින්ස් කැන්සල් කරලා කියලා ෆොරින් උන් වින්ටර් සීසන් එකේ ලංකාවට එන්න හිටිය. අපි යනවද කියහන්කෝ උතුරු කොරියාවේ නිවාඩුවකට. මේ තරමට හරි මිනිස්සු එන්නේ තාම මේක විලමැද බංගලාවේ විතරයි වලියට ගියේ. කොයි වෙලේ හරි සිවිල් කැරැල්ලකට මේක දිග් ගැස්සුනොත් මොකද වෙන්නේ..

it's more complicated than both you and i think. stating the SriLankan-ness of everyone is easy. what's hard defining SriLankanness as opposed to, say, somalianness or americanness. is it just living on this land what makes someone a sri lankan ? so is it completely unconnected from the way someone thinks ? so an aborgin visiting japan become a japanese the moment he set foot on japanese land ? if not what are the things that defines him as a aborgin and a japanese as a japanese ? it's obvious the mindset plays the major role in deciding whether someone is sri lankan or not. so what is that mindset ? what thoughts or ideas qualify as sri lankan and what ideas don't ? and how do we decide it ? think about this. i'm not saying tamils or muslims should be massacred. what i'm saying is your picture is neither complex nor detailed enough to yield any useful understanding.

 

[Dothraki]

මට ජොබ් එක ලැබුනේ එක්තාරා ඇමතියකුගේ මැදිහත් වීමෙන්. ඒත් මම උෟටවත් උගේ පක්ෂෙටවත් එක පාරක්වත් චන්දේ දීලා නෑ. මොකද මම කරන ජොබ් එකට මට සුදුසුකම් තිබෙන නිසා

සුදුසුකම මොකක්ද ? ඔය සුදුසුකම තියෙන කී දෙනෙක් ඇත්ද ලංකාවෙ ජොබක් ගන්න බැරුව ?

අයදුම් කිරීමෙ සුදුසුකම ( විභාග, උපාධි ක්‍රීඩා සහතික සහ සෞක්‍යමය තත්වය ) සහ තොරාගැනීමෙ සුදුසුකම (තරඟ විභාග, සම්මුඛ පරික්ෂණ සහ අනෙකුත් පරික්ෂණ වල ලකුණු )

කියන්නෙ දෙකක්නෙ මයෙ පුති
උඹට තිබ්බෙ අයදුම් කිරීමෙ සුදුසුකම
එත් ඇමතිගෙ පන්දම ඔනි උනෙ තොරාගැනීමෙ සුදුසුකමෙන් පැනගන්න

 

[KasunKDP]

ohoma simple wediyata hithuwama in theory oya kramaya thamai hondama wage penne eth in practically full communism it the most fail system in the world.


okata hondama udaharane WW2 ekata passe wadiyenma minisu maruna ekata waga kiyanna one 3denak inawa directly or indirectly joseph stalin mao zedong kim Jong il thawa inawa ewagema kenek pol pot oya okomala communist wadin.


communist wade uparima thamai totalitarianism JVP ekata mulin one une oya thathweta yanna thamai.

මම එක කිව්වේ ඉස්සල්ල කමෙන්ට් එකේ තිබ්බ පාන් උදාහරනේ නිසා....

ඉස්සර කරන්න ගිහිල්ල කෙලවෙච්ච සින් හරි බන්... එත් දැන් වෙනස්...
කොමියුනිස්ම්ම කරන්න ඕනේ නෑ.. වාමාංශික ලක්ෂණ ගැලපෙන විදියට දාන එකයි කරන්න ඕනේ..

 

[Sri Lankan Editor]

i don't think this is a debate,,, this was more of a discussion. that's why im using very loose terms expecting u to interpret them considering the context.


- depends on the persons ability to do so, some 'unlucky' people (like me) can't find haplessness internally.

- i wasn't talking about any particular type of socialism, i was referring to the left wing. I mentioned that in first few posts.

- ofcourse, life eke hamadema depend wenne wealth eka anuwa nemei..thawa godak factors thiyanwa, but systematically control karanna
puluwan wealth eka witharai. wealth eka control karama anith dewaluth 'eventually' ibema hadagahenawa ex:- social status


again, depends on genetics, guidance, ...etc ---> luck


btw.. do u believe in free will? if u dont u should realize why i say ultimately everything comes down to 'luck'

Machanz, first you say socialism, and now you say left wing
Left wing is not only socialism, so you are changing your stance
Ehema karanna efa Machanz mokada debate eka geniyanna baha
You have to specify, coz I am answering your thinking patterns

Meka debate ekak.. discussion kiyala kiyannath haki...
But debate.. because it is more so..
E.g. if you see a girl, you will not say it is a human right? you will say it is a girl
Girl humans thamai, but api girl kiyala normally kiyanne because specificity is better in some instances

Your statement on wealth control is not true Machanz

We cannot systematically control wealth
If we put higher taxes, then they find ways to overcome it, e.g. Panama scene eka, tax evasion

Systematic control of wealth fails miserably.. it is also failing now in South Africa and Zimbabwe
Ekai UNP/SLFP or JR/RP/RW/MR thawamath left pure socialism oppose karanne....
Only Sirimavo did that thing recently and that resulted in a huge devastation that resulted in many politicial turmoils later on

Also, genetics and guidance is luck kiyala kiyanna haki
but it is the way we are born Machanz

Lion kenek wela okkoma saththu ipadunoth, un kanne monawada?
Ekai samahara saththu carnivores, others herbivores, omnivores, etc.

So, if anyone says luck is a predominant factor, it is totally wrong
I think this is importnat for you personally..
Change your way of thinking You will find success in life

You are limiting yourself by your own partial thinking

What is your real personal problem related to?
Unlucky kiyala kiyanne ayi oya?
Is it genetics, or what someone else did, or your own errors?

Oh, so you do not believe in free will?
Hmm... free will sathya deyak kiyala oppu karala iwarai godaak aya..
But I do not want to talk about it mokada eka religion paththata adena nisa
Ethakota prashna

I appreciate your intelligence and thinking and suffering
but politics aside
on a personal level, trust me, you have to change your thinking pattern Machanz
or else you will be doomed for ever because of your own self..
At the end you only have to blame yourself

you are not unlucky you might feel it.. .but no you are not

 

[asylum]

මම එක කිව්වේ ඉස්සල්ල කමෙන්ට් එකේ තිබ්බ පාන් උදාහරනේ නිසා....

ඉස්සර කරන්න ගිහිල්ල කෙලවෙච්ච සින් හරි බන්... එත් දැන් වෙනස්...
කොමියුනිස්ම්ම කරන්න ඕනේ නෑ.. වාමාංශික ලක්ෂණ ගැලපෙන විදියට දාන එකයි කරන්න ඕනේ..

isara dan kiyala wenasak na fail system eka fail ma thamai wamnshika adahas hondai eth hama dema wage ape rate minisu onema deka uparimeta yanawa communism wenna puluwan open free market economy wenna puluwan wamnshika adahas walun uparimeta giyoth enneth totalitarianism ma thamai umbala kamathi na ne 1ka nek aurudu 20-30 me rata palanaya karanawata? ehenam wamanshika adahas unath hariyanne na.


system eka sadarana nathi nissa minisu badaginne inwa man dakala thiynawa podi lamai salli nathi nissa iskole yanna nathuwa andanawa man dakala thiynawa oya town wala inna ayata wada gam wala samanaya minisu thamai wadiyen ma duk windinne e minisuta prajathantha wade horakm nathi ratak wadak na e minisuta one aduma gane wel 2kak hari kala jiwath wenna wahana ganna computer phone ganna one na e golonta kuru hari awith e sahane dena eka witharai one e sahane dunne lankawe 2nai premadasa and MR.

 

[Vandetta]

Machanz, first you say socialism, and now you say left wing
Left wing is not only socialism, so you are changing your stance
Ehema karanna efa Machanz mokada debate eka geniyanna baha
You have to specify, coz I am answering your thinking patterns

Meka debate ekak.. discussion kiyala kiyannath haki...
But debate.. because it is more so..
E.g. if you see a girl, you will not say it is a human right? you will say it is a girl
Girl humans thamai, but api girl kiyala normally kiyanne because specificity is better in some instances

Your statement on wealth control is not true Machanz

We cannot systematically control wealth
If we put higher taxes, then they find ways to overcome it, e.g. Panama scene eka, tax evasion

Systematic control of wealth fails miserably.. it is also failing now in South Africa and Zimbabwe
Ekai UNP/SLFP or JR/RP/RW/MR thawamath left pure socialism oppose karanne....
Only Sirimavo did that thing recently and that resulted in a huge devastation that resulted in many politicial turmoils later on

Also, genetics and guidance is luck kiyala kiyanna haki
but it is the way we are born Machanz

Lion kenek wela okkoma saththu ipadunoth, un kanne monawada?
Ekai samahara saththu carnivores, others herbivores, omnivores, etc.

So, if anyone says luck is a predominant factor, it is totally wrong
I think this is importnat for you personally..
Change your way of thinking You will find success in life

You are limiting yourself by your own partial thinking

What is your real personal problem related to?
Unlucky kiyala kiyanne ayi oya?
Is it genetics, or what someone else did, or your own errors?

Oh, so you do not believe in free will?
Hmm... free will sathya deyak kiyala oppu karala iwarai godaak aya..
But I do not want to talk about it mokada eka religion paththata adena nisa
Ethakota prashna

I appreciate your intelligence and thinking and suffering
but politics aside
on a personal level, trust me, you have to change your thinking pattern Machanz
or else you will be doomed for ever because of your own self..
At the end you only have to blame yourself

you are not unlucky you might feel it.. .but no you are not

socialist thinks a rich must have gained his wealth through ill deeds
capitalist thinks he must be hard working
thats the only way i can read those 2 principles