එක් සොඳුරු සොල්දාදුවෙක් 1 -Ek Sonduru Soldaaduwek

[madurax86]

I like if you prove your points... It will be unique...

prove? මොන එහෙකටද? බුද්ධාගම තේරුම් ගන්නයි අවශ්‍ය නිකන් පොතේ තිබ්බට ඒකම දොඩවලා බෑ
අනිත් එක ඔය වච්න කීපයකින් කියලා තිබුනට ඕවා හැම එකටම හේතු වෙන වෙනම තියෙනවා
මං ඒ ටික කියන්නම්,
කර්මය කියලා අපි පස්සෙන් එන මගුලක් නෑ එහෙම එකක් බුද්ධාගමේ ලියලා/කියලා නෑ. අපිමයි අපේ කර්මය ගෙනියන්නේ යටි හිතේ අපි කරන දේවල් ඒ කරන අවස්ථාවේ දී එන සිතුවිලි එක්ක තැන්පත් වෙනවා. ඒවා නැවත මරණයේ දී යටි හිත උඩට ආවම ඒ සිතුවිලිත් හැම එකම නැවත මතක් වෙනවා. මේ මතකය මොළයේ මතකය වෙන්නත් පුලුවන් - ඒත් එක ගැන මං කියවලා නෑ.
මේ අපි විසින්ම ගෙනියන කර්මයේ නිර්මාණකරුත් අපිමයි, ප්‍රධාන ප්‍රශ්නය ඔබ ඔය කියන විදියටත් කර්ම්යක් ඇති වෙනවා ද කියලා....ඔබයම් කෙනෙක් සැලසුම් කරලා මරලා දාන්නේ ලෝකයාගේ හිතසුව පිනිස නම් ඒ කර්මය ඔබ තුල සාමාන්‍ය අහිංසක මිනිහෙක් මරණ වෙලාවේ මෙන් ඔබගේ හිතට එන්නේ නෑ, ඔතනයි වරද්ද ගත්ත තැන හැම දේම සාපේක්ෂයි.

 

[madurax86]

Do not change the track... This is one of the simplest laws of nature Buddha teaches.
I like if you prove your points... It will be unique...

To read about Anatta in Buddha's own words
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.mend.html

i didnt change track,
what the Buddha is saying is,
all these things are not self..
and you are arguing that there is NO self, reread it its NOT-SELF not NOSELF

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

prove? මොන එහෙකටද? බුද්ධාගම තේරුම් ගන්නයි අවශ්‍ය නිකන් පොතේ තිබ්බට ඒකම දොඩවලා බෑ
අනිත් එක ඔය වච්න කීපයකින් කියලා තිබුනට ඕවා හැම එකටම හේතු වෙන වෙනම තියෙනවා
මං ඒ ටික කියන්නම්,
කර්මය කියලා අපි පස්සෙන් එන මගුලක් නෑ එහෙම එකක් බුද්ධාගමේ ලියලා/කියලා නෑ. අපිමයි අපේ කර්මය ගෙනියන්නේ යටි හිතේ අපි කරන දේවල් ඒ කරන අවස්ථාවේ දී එන සිතුවිලි එක්ක තැන්පත් වෙනවා. ඒවා නැවත මරණයේ දී යටි හිත උඩට ආවම ඒ සිතුවිලිත් හැම එකම නැවත මතක් වෙනවා. මේ මතකය මොළයේ මතකය වෙන්නත් පුලුවන් - ඒත් එක ගැන මං කියවලා නෑ.
මේ අපි විසින්ම ගෙනියන කර්මයේ නිර්මාණකරුත් අපිමයි, ප්‍රධාන ප්‍රශ්නය ඔබ ඔය කියන විදියටත් කර්ම්යක් ඇති වෙනවා ද කියලා....ඔබයම් කෙනෙක් සැලසුම් කරලා මරලා දාන්නේ ලෝකයාගේ හිතසුව පිනිස නම් ඒ කර්මය ඔබ තුල සාමාන්‍ය අහිංසක මිනිහෙක් මරණ වෙලාවේ මෙන් ඔබගේ හිතට එන්නේ නෑ, ඔතනයි වරද්ද ගත්ත තැන හැම දේම සාපේක්ෂයි.

Oya follow karanne PURANA KASSAPA'ge Akiriya vaadaya. Ehenam apata karanna deyak ne. Api Bauddhayo. Mewa kiyawana anith aya hari mokakda kiyala therum ganieewi.
Oyaata sasara hungak durai.

 

[madurax86]

Oya follow karanne PURANA KASSAPA'ge Akiriya vaadaya. Ehenam apata karanna deyak ne. Api Bauddhayo. Mewa kiyawana anith aya hari mokakda kiyala therum ganieewi.
Oyaata sasara hungak durai.

ehema thamaa pandithayo hithanne
man da Osho kiyala wadakata nati karakekge passen giye??? buddhagama danne natan igena ganna karunakarala

thawath ekak oyawage gal panditayo thama mas kanna epaa budhagame mas kanna epa kiyalayi thiyenne kiyala wal bootha kiyaagena kaalayak eliyata basse maha loku olkut baudhdayo

puluwan nam Osho kiyapuwa budhu haamuduruwoth kiwwa kiyalaa kiyapan
anith eka othana waadayak na man oya kiyana magulak gana ahalawath naa man oya liyapu okoma therum gathhe budhagame poth walin ui access to insight ekenui ubath ara UNP karayo wagemai .,...mokak hari ekak kiwama threnne nathi wena monahari kiyalaa thawa kal balan inna kiyanawaa

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

i didnt change track,
what the Buddha is saying is,
all these things are not self..
and you are arguing that there is NO self, reread it its NOT-SELF not NOSELF

You were not referring to Buddha.. or yourself...
you were referring to another Monk...
I only refer to Buddha or Myself.

 

[madurax86]

You were not referring to Buddha.. or yourself...
you were referring to another Monk...
I only refer to Buddha or Myself.

You dont get it
dude, have you ever studied any science? chemistry?
well in chemistry theres proof for that if you want to know i'll tell other than that no one can help you

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

prove? ඔබයම් කෙනෙක් සැලසුම් කරලා මරලා දාන්නේ ලෝකයාගේ හිතසුව පිනිස නම් ඒ කර්මය ඔබ තුල සාමාන්‍ය අහිංසක මිනිහෙක් මරණ වෙලාවේ මෙන් ඔබගේ හිතට එන්නේ නෑ, ඔතනයි වරද්ද ගත්ත තැන හැම දේම සාපේක්ෂයි.

Karma depends on the defiled intention, whether it is based on Raga-Craving, Dwesha-Aversion, and Moha-Ignorance...
and the intensity of the intention...
What is the intensity of the defilement decides the intensity of vipaka...

 

[madurax86]

Karma depends on the defiled intention, whether it is based on Raga-Craving, Dwesha-Aversion, and Moha-Ignorance...
and the intensity of the intention...
What is the intensity of the defilement decides the intensity of vipaka...

ithin Owa nathi murder ekak nam? ethota moko kiyanne?
man katha karanne eka gana

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

You dont get it
dude, have you ever studied any science? chemistry?
well in chemistry theres proof for that if you want to know i'll tell other than that no one can help you

Chemistry is one of my favorite subjects... I am interesting...
I like you Madhura.. You have the background and capacity to know... but misled...
Tell me your point with Chemistry..
Mind also depend on chemistry in the body, Nervous system and brain..

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

ithin Owa nathi murder ekak nam? ethota moko kiyanne?
man katha karanne eka gana

You can't find a murder without a defilement.. Everything a Puthujjana does one or more of these defilements are involved..
Even when you put the fan on.. very thin desha for heat and raga for the cool air is there.
Yes, it can be very thin...even in Murder.
In Bhagwad Geetha, Krishna teaches Arjun to be in a state of Moha.. A dhyan.
That is the case in this Sonduru Soldaduwa.. In his case it is Moha more than Dwesha.

I think people who intensify their hatred against terrorists may accumulate more bad karma, according to their intentions..Chethana.

 

[madurax86]

Chemistry is one of my favorite subjects... I am interesting...
I like you Madhura.. You have the background and capacity to know... but misled...
Tell me your point with Chemistry..
Mind also depend on chemistry in the body, Nervous system and brain..

scrodinger's cat experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

read it, you need not to know much of chemistry but: it is about uncertainty this is what i was trying to tell you about anathma but you never seem to get it in...try this one and you'll see for urself - even the nature is deceiving

 

[madurax86]

You can't find a murder without a defilement.. Everything a Puthujjana does one or more of these defilements are involved..
Even when you put the fan on.. very thin desha for heat and raga for the cool air is there.
Yes, it can be very thin...even in Murder.
In Bhagwad Geetha, Krishna teaches Arjun to be in a state of Moha.. A dhyan.
That is the case in this Sonduru Soldaduwa.. In his case it is Moha more than Dwesha.

I think people who intensify their hatred against terrorists may accumulate more bad karma, according to their intentions..Chethana.

fans dont make the air cool they just put air from one place to another, you feel cool because of the wind that it makes. air conditioners can make air cool

defilements is one thing ...it may be common but there are a heap of other things that makes a murder a bad karma -- if only defilement is engaged killing an ant *accidentally* will make bad karma - it doesnt.
if you kill intentionally yes it makes bad karma, but if you are doing it for the good or if you are pure of the evil intentions of killing it there will be no karma generated

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

fans dont make the air cool they just put air from one place to another, you feel cool because of the wind that it makes. air conditioners can make air cool

defilements is one thing ...it may be common but there are a heap of other things that makes a murder a bad karma -- if only defilement is engaged killing an ant *accidentally* will make bad karma - it doesnt.
if you kill intentionally yes it makes bad karma, but if you are doing it for the good or if you are pure of the evil intentions of killing it there will be no karma generated

You remove something with dwesha..or raga.. That is the chethana

 

[madurax86]

You remove something with dwesha..or raga.. That is the chethana

you can say it happens accordingly
but what happens to the things that dont go like that?
they just dont happen like that
evrything happens centering the mind if you dont think theres no karma
its what buddha said.
even when you eat meat if you think of killing - you'll have karma accordingly
but if you dont for example you enjoy your meal, then no bad karma is generated simple as that
dont get carried away by what Osho said

 

[coolgayathra]

hmmmmmmm

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

scrodinger's cat experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

read it, you need not to know much of chemistry but: it is about uncertainty this is what i was trying to tell you about anathma but you never seem to get it in...try this one and you'll see for urself - even the nature is deceiving

I have the book with me but never read more than few pages.. Thanks for redirecting me...
Schrödinger applied quantum mechanics to a living entity that may or may not be conscious. In Schrödinger’s original thought experiment he describes how one could, in principle, transform a superposition inside an atom to a large-scale superposition of a live and dead cat by coupling cat and atom with the help of a ‘‘diabolical mechanism.’’ He proposed a scenario with a cat in a sealed box, where the cat's life or death was dependent on the state of a subatomic particle. According to Schrödinger, the Copenhagen interpretation implies that the cat remains both alive and dead until the box is opened.

It is not that Nature is deceiving.. It is how nature is.
Buddha told about this 2500 years ago
Sabbe Loko Pakampito...
Everything which exists vibrates..

That's why if we can transform a superposition inside an atom to a large-scale superposition of a live and dead cat by coupling cat and atom with the help of a ‘‘diabolical mechanism.’’cat would live in a both alive and dead state.
I think you might know that we see a lot of black screen when we watch a movie with old projectors.. and a light bulb actually flickers... It is in a state of ON and OFF.. but we do not realize. Thats ow we miss Anitya at experiential level.
Everything which exists lives in one moment and dead in next moment.
Exists in one moment and does not exist in next...
This is Anitya in its most basic sense....
One can experience Anitya at experiential level momentarily in Vipassana at the stage of Bhanga Gnana...
The awareness that our whole body is only vibrations...
That experience can change the whole outlook of a person.

 

[madurax86]

I have the book with me but never read more than few pages.. Thanks for redirecting me...
Schrödinger applied quantum mechanics to a living entity that may or may not be conscious. In Schrödinger’s original thought experiment he describes how one could, in principle, transform a superposition inside an atom to a large-scale superposition of a live and dead cat by coupling cat and atom with the help of a ‘‘diabolical mechanism.’’ He proposed a scenario with a cat in a sealed box, where the cat's life or death was dependent on the state of a subatomic particle. According to Schrödinger, the Copenhagen interpretation implies that the cat remains both alive and dead until the box is opened.

It is not that Nature is deceiving.. It is how nature is.
Buddha told about this 2500 years ago
Sabbe Loko Pakampito...
Everything which exists vibrates..

That's why if we can transform a superposition inside an atom to a large-scale superposition of a live and dead cat by coupling cat and atom with the help of a ‘‘diabolical mechanism.’’cat would live in a both alive and dead state.
I think you might know that we see a lot of black screen when we watch a movie with old projectors.. and a light bulb actually flickers... It is in a state of ON and OFF.. but we do not realize. Thats ow we miss Anitya at experiential level.
Everything which exists lives in one moment and dead in next moment.
Exists in one moment and does not exist in next...
This is Anitya in its most basic sense....
One can experience Anitya at experiential level momentarily in Vipassana at the stage of Bhanga Gnana...
The awareness that our whole body is only vibrations...
That experience can change the whole outlook of a person.

I told nature is deceiving because it deceives our inputs; projector deceives our eyes - other things too are deceiving us in this context nothing not exists nor exists
Ok if you understand that
then why do you say there is NO self?
there is a self at one time in the next theres no self
its a switch, understand it from the ground up

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

even when you eat meat if you think of killing - you'll have karma accordingly
but if you dont for example you enjoy your meal, then no bad karma is generated simple as that
dont get carried away by what Osho said

Your logical thinking is remarkable... you need to experience...
If you ever feel the need or inclination to experience Buddha's path visit
www.dhamma.org and find a center close to you and follow a ten day course.
Don't do it or think about it because I tell you.

About meal.. you are partially right..
If you develop dwesha in your ming looking at meat karma is created according to that results in dwesha.. or if you are just aware that the piece of meat you are having is a part of a dead body... no Karma. If you kill to eat again the intention and the intensity applies..

And when I refer to OSHO I directly post his discourse or comment.. but I may not agree with everything he says.. I let readers decide.. and I don't think that any one will accept him with the trust in me.

 

[madurax86]

Your logical thinking is remarkable... you need to experience...
If you ever feel the need or inclination to experience Buddha's path visit
www.dhamma.org and find a center close to you and follow a ten day course.
Don't do it or think about it because I tell you.

About meal.. you are partially right..
If you develop dwesha in your ming looking at meat karma is created according to that results in dwesha.. or if you are just aware that the piece of meat you are having is a part of a dead body... no Karma. If you kill to eat again the intention and the intensity applies..

And when I refer to OSHO I directly post his discourse or comment.. but I may not agree with everything he says.. I let readers decide.. and I don't think that any one will accept him with the trust in me.

i dont need to lol
i have to get past other stuff in my life before i get a step closer to nirvana, first things first i need to get a job to eat and to live life, then i'll get into it.
buddha had all those done for him because he was born at a place...
අපිට මොන මාලිගාද? අපිට ඉතින් බඩ ගැන හිතුවට පස්සෙ තමා ඕවා ගැන හිතන්න වෙන්නෙ
මං කොහොමත් පොතක තිබ්බ පලියටවත් කවුරුවත් කිව්ව නිසාවත් පිලිගන්නේ නෑ කිසි දෙයක්
ඕශෝ මොකටෙ බුදුහාමුදුරුවෝ වදාළ දේ මෙච්චර හොදට ලියලා තියෙද්දී
අනුන් කියන නිසා නොව තමන්ට වැටහෙන නිසාම යම්ක් කරන්න
මං හිතන්නේ ඔබ ඒදේවල් හරියට අල්ල ගත්තාම ඔය දේශපාලුවන්ට කඩේයන එකත් නවත්වයි
මං යනවා නිදාගන්න
ටී. සී
තෙරුවන් සරණයි

 

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nice work