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    I can see what you point out. But I'm not in anyway capable to answer this. :oo:

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    This is what he is talking about in the video.

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    Ayoniso: You dont catch the things at the yoni (beginning) and superficially give attention ONCE things are DISTROTED.

    This completely agrees with the tripitaka if someone knows how to read it properly.
     

    MalSeven

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    e potha harida machan?
    ඔව් මහත්තය, මම දන්නා තරමිනුත් අභිදර්මයේ මූලික දර්ම කරුණු ටික පැටලුම්හැරගන්න හොඳම පොතක් තමයි රේරුකානේ හාමුදුරුවන්ගෙ ඔය පොත.

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    This is what he is talking about in the video.

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    Ayoniso: You dont catch the things at the yoni (beginning) and superficially give attention ONCE things are DISTROTED.

    This completely agrees with the tripitaka if someone knows how to read it properly.

    Yes of course! How did I miss this?:shocked:
    This completely agrees when you use the miracle of distorted interpretation. :lol:
    And when its in English it must be correct! :D
    ------ Post added on Feb 27, 2023 at 1:59 AM
     

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    ඔව් මහත්තය, මම දන්නා තරමිනුත් අභිදර්මයේ මූලික දර්ම කරුණු ටික පැටලුම්හැරගන්න හොඳම පොතක් තමයි රේරුකානේ හාමුදුරුවන්ගෙ ඔය පොත.



    Yes of course! How did I miss this?:shocked:
    This completely agrees when you use the miracle of distorted interpretation. :lol:
    And when its in English it must be correct! :D
    ------ Post added on Feb 27, 2023 at 1:59 AM

    OfCourse, any book, any monk goes against your theory is wrong. Only your theory is right. lol. Besides, this is not for you, don't worry about this. :lol:
     

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    OfCourse, any book, any monk goes against your theory is wrong. Only your theory is right. lol. Besides, this is not for you, don't worry about this. :lol:
    Well yes and I have a good reason for it, this poor monk lost nearly 20yrs of his valuable life for similar nonsense and he likely to lose another 20yrs for another round of nonsense. Good indicator for this is, after all these years he himself agree that he still has not developped any pragna. So what’s the point?

    I know few other monks took similar paths and achieve nothing but of course this is a bliss for the gullible. As you see like Mr. Emios does a reasonable person would see something is off here, but for you of course it’s a bliss. :lol: :lol:
     

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    Well yes and I have a good reason for it, this poor monk lost nearly 20yrs of his valuable life for similar nonsense and he likely to lose another 20yrs for another round of nonsense. Good indicator for this is, after all these years he himself agree that he still has not developped any pragna. So what’s the point?

    I know few other monks took similar paths and achieve nothing but of course this is a bliss for the gullible. As you see like Mr. Emios does a reasonable person would see something is off here, but for you of course it’s a bliss. :lol: :lol:

    Even in buddhas era some monks enlightened in seconds, while some went as long as 40 yrs. Everyone's mind is different and so is their development rate. There is nothing wrong with that.
     

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    Even in buddhas era some monks enlightened in seconds, while some went as long as 40 yrs. Everyone's mind is different and so is their development rate. There is nothing wrong with that.
    True but they used the same path, buddha was there to correct the course if necessary, in this case multiple methods, multiple paths… no one to guide and worst of all achieved nothing.
     

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    True but they used the same path, buddha was there to correct the course if necessary, in this case multiple methods, multiple paths… no one to guide and worst of all achieved nothing.

    You cant say that he has achieved nothing. Not achieving the prajna at the moment doesnt mean that he is doing something wrong either. Everything has a right time.
     

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    You cant say that he has achieved nothing. Not achieving the prajna at the moment doesnt mean that he is doing something wrong either. Everything has a right time.
    He claims that he achieved higher level of consciousness, so I agree he achieved something but IMHO it has nothing to do with Nirvana, he even correctly points that out in the first part of the video.
    Sure, I also agree everything has a right time so let’s wait and see, in few years’ time, there is a good chance that you will see what I am talking about. There is a certain level one can go with this type of meditation until they come to a plateau. :-). At that stage, some of them come to the conclusion that they become Arahath or some of them simply give up...
     

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    He claims that he achieved higher level of consciousness, so I agree he achieved something but IMHO it has nothing to do with Nirvana, he even correctly points that out in the first part of the video.
    Sure, I also agree everything has a right time so let’s wait and see, in few years’ time, there is a good chance that you will see what I am talking about. There is a certain level one can go with this type of meditation until they come to a plateau. :-). At that stage, some of them come to the conclusion that they become Arahath or some of them simply give up...

    ok, now do you have any claim or something by a monk who has successfully achieved prajna from the way you say?
     

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    ok, now do you have any claim or something by a monk who has successfully achieved prajna from the way you say?
    Certainly do, but its not a claim, it’s a proof. As I told you before, I don’t believe. If I didn’t have such certainty, I won’t waste my time writing these things here…
     

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    Certainly do, but its not a claim, it’s a proof. As I told you before, I don’t believe. If I didn’t have such certainty, I won’t waste my time writing these things here…

    ok, you have a theory and proof. I have a theory and proof. What do you have to show yours will work and not mine practically?
     

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    ok, you have a theory and proof. I have a theory and proof. What do you have to show yours will work and not mine practically?
    See the thing is Mr. Rosh I don’t want to prove yours is wrong, I get nothing out of it, if you have a theory and proof, that’s great and hope it gives you what you are looking for.

    As you have seen I am not here to prove other theories are wrong, those theories there for a reason, I am simply pointing out the holes in them when I see them through my theory. That doesn’t prove that mine is right, it simply shows that there is another aspect to all this for the reasonable reader.

    If you ask me what I have to show that mine will work practically in this forum, all I have to say is I have nothing to show in this form of communication as this is far from the practicality to convey dhamma.
     

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    As you have seen I am not here to prove other theories are wrong, those theories there for a reason, I am simply pointing out the holes in them when I see them through my theory. That doesn’t prove that mine is right, it simply shows that there is another aspect to all this for the reasonable reader.

    This is the whole point why one cant verify this dharma by logics. You will see holes in other theories through which that has never been proved practically. Others will see the same in your theory.

    These things can be verified neither by logics nor personal experience (before sowan). They all are personal views. My personal approach is to get what suttas say exactly as they are irrespectively if they align with my experience or not. I already see you have made lots of assumptions interpreting the sutta in the OP, which destroy the true meaning.

    btw, did you reasonably assess what other theory was saying?, I haven't seen any logical reason for the rejection. Only reason was not aligning your theory.
     
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    Renukake thero book is amazing.very clear.:love2: I was under the illusion that I am certainly a set of 5 skandhas.That i have a basis or foundation of 5 skandhas and my true nature is 5 skandhas.I realized that even that is a wrong this to say.
     
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    Renukake thero book is amazing.very clear.:love2: I was under the illusion that I am certainly a set of 5 skandhas.That i have a basis or foundation of 5 skandhas and my true nature is 5 skandhas.I realized that even that is a wrong this to say.

    yup, that leads to an existing "I", which is a group of 5 skandhas..
     
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