Aftermath of War! And Its Results

[Asitha-K]

so what or why did that poor innocent soldier gave up his life for ?

Think guys and girls... THINK !

In my opinion, We as a forum have missed the actual point which we have to talk about. All of us fight to find an answer to "WHO" started the war.. and in another thread, we are fighting to find out "WHO CAME FIRST"... Tamil or Sinhalse (the chicken and the egg story, as I would sarcasticly name it)

So, can we talk about the Aftermath of this war and it's results ?? than trying to find out who is wrong and where it went wrong ?

Why not voice you opinon on "HOW" can we correct this and "WHERE" to start.... rather that talking about the History.

Please voice out, I have my own opinons of it and may put them here if anyone is willing to talk about subjects which were never spoken before !

Ok every one! Lets Disscuss in this EK PRO
Where to start? and how can we correct this?

 

[Nash_Node]

Ok every one! Lets Disscuss in this EK PRO
Where to start? and how can we correct this?

THE ONLY WIN IS A DRAW



Everyone's sure that the civil war will be won soon. After all, we've abrogated the ceasefire, been bombed multiple times, bombed them multiple times, and generally done what the man on the street wants done. Well at least the man on the street who doesn't want to physically fight, but is very willing to allow others to go and die for his sorry ass.

But, is this the optimal solution? After all, we're fighting for peace, right?

But the question is, as always, will winning the war, bring peace? We're all hoping that it will. But are we really going to win in the long term?

The problem with winning the war, is that the victors begin to believe that because they won, whatever they did was right and justified. Witness the case of Bomber (sometimes called Butcher) Harris. His firebombing of Dresden, led to the death of 25,000 to 35,000 civillians. In the same way, consider the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If this were done by the Germans it would be considered a war crime. But, since they were done by the victors, they were necessary.

In the same way, we will also face the justification of all the massacres and the bombings in the war, and all the actions that led up to it. And further, as the victors, we can now justify the return of any de facto racism against the Tamil people because, hey, we won.

It will become difficult for Tamils in the Sinhalese dominated areas. We will see a rise in thuggery as more and more soldiers are released from duty. We will see more rape cases as the occupying army goes further and further into formerly LTTE held territory.

This is not about the way the Sinhalese operate. It is the way an occupying army operates. This is the dark side of human nature.

And in the end what will we get? The feelings of anger and helplessness will create yet another Prabhakaran. We will see him less than 5 years after the LTTE is defeated. And he will be far more ruthless than the LTTE ever was.

On the other hand, if the LTTE manages, by some fluke, to win, we will face another scenario. The creation of Eelam will make it impossible for the Tamils to live in the south. In the same way that the partition of India happened, so will the partition of Sri Lanka. The hardest hit will be the Tamils in the south. Unable to live in the south, they will be forced into the new Eelam. And yet, they will be second-class citizens there too. After living in relative comfort in the south, they will be looked down on by their brethren in the north.

You had checkpoints? Big deal! We got bombed!!

Then the next Government that comes into power will do so on a manifesto of reuniting the country and we'll be back at war again.

So how do we win? Sometimes, the only winning move is not to play. We all have to work on the root causes of the problem, as well as trying to minimise the desire for revenge on both sides, Maybe something like the Truth and Reconciliation Commissions of post-apartheid South Africa. But first, we should all recognise that war can only take us so far. A lasting solution can only be found through dialogue.

 

[DJ.Parker]

interesting..............i'd rather watch this thread than commenting

well ya u got a point
but goin to peace talks would really help?
if one party accepts their faliures then the other party will surely bluff about it (may be even worse than what political parties do)

and true its hard to build a nation after a war.............u have to start it from the begining and the people have to go through all sorts of difficulties and etc...

so this is debatable.......

 

[Nash_Node]

interesting..............i'd rather watch this thread than commenting

well ya u got a point
but goin to peace talks would really help?
if one party accepts their faliures then the other party will surely bluff about it (may be even worse than what political parties do)

and true its hard to build a nation after a war.............u have to start it from the begining and the people have to go through all sorts of difficulties and etc...

so this is debatable.......

I don't preform to an empty theater

 

[DJ.Parker]

I don't preform to an empty theater

there r 15,698 active members here so hope ull find a handful

 

[Asitha-K]

There are many people to discuss the problem..
But very few come forward to find solutions...
This is the reason Sri Lanka is facing this type of situation

 

[Nash_Node]

there r 15,698 active members here so hope ull find a handful

Let me know when you find that handful

 

[massina]

ok....as far as I can understand, there's no solution other than defeating the terrorism. LTTE never agreed peace talks and they never will. And they are killing innocent people. Guess you know the past incidents like in Nugegoda, Piliyandhala, Weliweriya Etc. That's the way they are...Terrorists.....At this point our forces are destroying those mother fuc*ing LTTE. We all know how much they have sacrifised to wipe out those bloody bitches...I either don't like to see people are dying and suffering from war. I also hate war, but without fighting we can't gain anything. It's a fight for freedom, its a fight for the democracy and it's a fight for the life.... Guess you understand the point.

 

[Nash_Node]

ok....as far as I can understand, there's no solution other than defeating the terrorism. LTTE never agreed peace talks and they never will. And they are killing innocent people. Guess you know the past incidents like in Nugegoda, Piliyandhala, Weliweriya Etc. That's the way they are...Terrorists.....At this point our forces are destroying those mother fuc*ing LTTE. We all know how much they have sacrifised to wipe out those bloody bitches...I either don't like to see people are dying and suffering from war. I also hate war, but without fighting we can't gain anything. It's a fight for freedom, its a fight for the democracy and it's a fight for the life.... Guess you understand the point.

Read the whole thing and the last phara for me slowly = THIS

EDIT

Disaster is narrowly averted when Falken/Lightman manage to teach WOPR about the futility of war by getting it to play endless drawn games of tic-tac-toe against itself. The WOPR then cycles through all the nuclear war scenarios that it has devised, which all end with no winner. WOPR learns that "the only winning move is not to play" and simply ceases playing. In the end WOPR decides it would prefer "a nice game of chess."

 

[maleemsg]

interesting..............i'd rather watch this thread than commenting

well ya u got a point
but goin to peace talks would really help?
if one party accepts their faliures then the other party will surely bluff about it (may be even worse than what political parties do)

and true its hard to build a nation after a war.............u have to start it from the begining and the people have to go through all sorts of difficulties and etc...

so this is debatable.......

Same here... go on bros..!

I'm sure i'm not mature enough to talk abt this war problems!

 

[Nash_Node]

Same here... go on bros..!

I'm sure i'm not mature enough to talk abt this war problems!

I said the same thing to my father once "Arrrh, I am not old enough to talk about girls....."

And he said " Well., someday you will be sorry.. and will learn the hard way"

SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIM THEN


So... it's never too "young" to listen or to "voice" your opinion

 

[earthling]

You gave your opinion on "even if we won the war.. will we stop ourselves from creating another Prabakaran by doing th same mistakes we did to create him in the first place....? treating the minority as second class citizens..."

bt being Realistic..can we really win the War ? Winning for me should be..weakening them & bringing them to talks.. thats the best we could hope for (u share the same thought too I guess)... I Dont think we could ever eliminate the LTTE totally... thats not realistic...

& nor should we use the same tactic Ranil used before...starting a kind of peace talks where they held all the trumps..and it nearly became a disaster for us..

should find a balance if we ever manage to get them in to talks...

whats r your views on this ?????

 

[Nash_Node]

Well you might have understood, Winning is a hypothetical situation which I used to express my feeling on the aftermath.

But, I am saying at the end, the final verdict should come through dialogue. Although I don't necessasrly means it should be Peace talk., I have left that OPTION OPEN as Dialogue ! (what you have remember is.... though my spelling is shit.. I choose worlds carefully.. and intend to stick to the face value as well as hidden value of the word too)

So we can discuss about what is the Dialogue should be or based on !

In my personal openion, the dialog should be based on a more Truth and Reconciliation Commissions frame work.

But as I said, open for your view on it as well.

You gave your opinion on "even if we won the war.. will we stop ourselves from creating another Prabakaran by doing th same mistakes we did to create him in the first place....? treating the minority as second class citizens..."

bt being Realistic..can we really win the War ? Winning for me should be..weakening them & bringing them to talks.. thats the best we could hope for (u share the same thought too I guess)... I Dont think we could ever eliminate the LTTE totally... thats not realistic...

& nor should we use the same tactic Ranil used before...starting a kind of peace talks where they held all the trumps..and it nearly became a disaster for us..

should find a balance if we ever manage to get them in to talks...

whats r your views on this ?????

 

[Asitha-K]

You gave your opinion on "even if we won the war.. will we stop ourselves from creating another Prabakaran by doing th same mistakes we did to create him in the first place....? treating the minority as second class citizens..."

bt being Realistic..can we really win the War ? Winning for me should be..weakening them & bringing them to talks.. thats the best we could hope for (u share the same thought too I guess)... I Dont think we could ever eliminate the LTTE totally... thats not realistic...

& nor should we use the same tactic Ranil used before...starting a kind of peace talks where they held all the trumps..and it nearly became a disaster for us..

should find a balance if we ever manage to get them in to talks...

whats r your views on this ?????

This quiz was Directly @ nash but i'd like to share some of my views too...
We all know Ranil got a Big brain but when it comes to implimenting he's weak...
Ranil made many mistakes in the peace talk table...
like getting as Norway(which was a LTTE supporter) as the middleman
didnt monitored LTTE while which allowd them to be more strong...
Thats why his peace talk was a failure... If things work according to the plan...
By now we are peaceful country!!

 

[Asitha-K]

Read the whole thing and the last phara for me slowly = THIS

EDIT

Disaster is narrowly averted when Falken/Lightman manage to teach WOPR about the futility of war by getting it to play endless drawn games of tic-tac-toe against itself. The WOPR then cycles through all the nuclear war scenarios that it has devised, which all end with no winner. WOPR learns that "the only winning move is not to play" and simply ceases playing. In the end WOPR decides it would prefer "a nice game of chess."

Your idea is beyond my Imagination and Power of Understanding...
I'll be able to understand this after few years!!!

 

[maleemsg]

I said the same thing to my father once "Arrrh, I am not old enough to talk about girls....."

And he said " Well., someday you will be sorry.. and will learn the hard way"

SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIM THEN


So... it's never too "young" to listen or to "voice" your opinion

Sorry if i am posting unnecessary thing in EK PRO section
but this is what I feel abt our country situation.!

i persornaly think that we wont get rid of this matter untill we learn to respect each and every person in this socity without considering his or her genealogy or caste. We will might won the war but we will not be able to experince true harmony untill we follow One for all All for one theory


meka kaviyak wath kathawak wath newei eththa siduweemak

 

[Nash_Node]

Your idea is beyond my Imagination and Power of Understanding...
I'll be able to understand this after few years!!!

Ok, let me ease it out

As I said, I am not a party politics supporter... but The Chinthanaya has been on TV the past few days/weeks/months stating how he's going to bring the LTTE to their knees. We have attacked many places in the Vanni, we've managed to kill their political head. We've built lovely arched roofs for the checkpoints (how much do you think those cost? A lakh? More?) so that the cops can check us in comfort. And yet, this happened.


The problem with all this, is that we never really considered what the LTTE would do. Did we realy expect them to stick around with their thumbs up their asses as we attacked them? Did we think that debacle at Anuradhapura was the end of it?


We need to realise something fast. The LTTE is a terrorist organisation, and you cannot wipe out a terrorist organisation through force. Everything you do to them only encourages other poor dupes to join them. For every bomb you drop, another 10 people join up. Every time you try to bring them down by attacking the civillian areas, they get more support from everywhere. Sometimes the only way to win, is not to play.


The LTTE live for these things. They WANT civillian casualties, in the south to strike terror into the populace, and in the north, to gain support for their cause. And I can tell you right now, they're succeeding in both. Is there any doubt or question that there will be more bombing raids in the Vanni now? Is there any question that more civillians will die there?

Unfortunately the warmongers are the first to cry out for revenge. The Southern Terrorists (aka the JVP), the Sons of the Buddha (aka the JHU) will all scream for more bombs to be dropped, for more killings, for more attacks. And then they'll go back to their security-ensured dwellings, travel in their million-rupee luxury cars, and wring their hands on TV about the suffering of the innocent people.


There is a way to end this war. It is not a pretty way. It is not an easy way, and it sure as hell won't get you any votes. But it will work.

Declare peace!!


Tell the world that we are not fighting the LTTE anymore. Tell them that they have the Vanni, and we're opening the gates. Anyone who wants to go into or come out of the Vanni can do so. If you want to be even more effective, speak to a few brothel owners and open a brothel just outside, give any LTTE members a "forces discount". Offer to bring ANY LTTE cadres who surrender to the south, give them a job, teach them Sinhala, give them a new identity if need be.


Take away the checkpoints. Tell people that we are not going to live in fear. Tell people the truth, that no amount of checkpoints and security will stop someone who wants to bomb or hurt you.



Tell them to be careful and vigilant, but also to understand that life today is a risk and no one can bring that risk down to zero. Let the people understand that this security theater that we have right now only makes them feel better withuot actually securing anyone.


Remove the PSD and the MSD, or at least minimise them. Let the people know that the politicians are willing to face the same risks as the people are.



Emphasise that we are all in this boat together, and it is for the politicians' benefit to end it as well


Finally, tell the world that we are no longer at war. Tell them that any attacks done on the civillians is a direct result of the LTTE not wanting to give in. That we are willing to bring them into the governance whenever they're ready. Tell the world that if they want to stop civillian deaths, pressure the LTTE to come to the table.


A pipe dream maybe. Unrealistic, I don't think so. The basis for the LTTE's fight is "look what the Sinhalese government is doing to us." Take away their reasons.


Work with transparency and honesty. Show the world that we are trying for peace, and who the real warmongers are.


Eris knows, the other method that we followed didn't work.

 

[earthling]

Well you might have understood, Winning is a hypothetical situation which I used to express my feeling on the aftermath.

But, I am saying at the end, the final verdict should come through dialogue. Although I don't necessasrly means it should be Peace talk., I have left that OPTION OPEN as Dialogue ! (what you have remember is.... though my spelling is shit.. I choose worlds carefully.. and intend to stick to the face value as well as hidden value of the word too)

So we can discuss about what is the Dialogue should be or based on !

In my personal openion, the dialog should be based on a more Truth and Reconciliation Commissions frame work.

But as I said, open for your view on it as well.

My undestanding on the TRC based on the Articles is that it mainly comprises of 3 areas

1. Human Rights Violations Investigation Committee - In charge of granting or refusing amnesty to human rights abuses involved in the said incidents/period

2.he Reparation and Rehabilitation Committee- Help with rehabilitation of victims & restoring victims' dignity

3. The Amnesty Committee - In charge of considered applications for Amnesty

Its a decent frame work... bt this alone will not be enough... we have to collaborate this kind of mechanism with peace talks too I gues...

Both parties hav to come to an agreement on what steps they are going to take in the future..

on LTTEs part > total stripping down of arms, giving up Ealam, coming to the legal governing system of the country (what ever system that is decided on), ect.
on Our Part> A Federal Solution going closely with India ????...steps taken in government departments & ministries to accommodate Tamil language in day to day work (This is a must as only a few departments cater to Tamil people when they go to government offices....ICTA is currently trying very hard to remedy this situation atleast in the internet by developing all the departments & Ministry's websites in all the 3 languages..)...ect.

So my view is we should first iron out the major problem of the 2 parties & after they come to a reasonable agreement, can implement something like the TRC to further enhance the process

 

[Nash_Node]

This quiz was Directly @ nash but i'd like to share some of my views too...
We all know Ranil got a Big brain but when it comes to implimenting he's weak...
Ranil made many mistakes in the peace talk table...
like getting as Norway(which was a LTTE supporter) as the middleman
didnt monitored LTTE while which allowd them to be more strong...
Thats why his peace talk was a failure... If things work according to the plan...
By now we are peaceful country!!

Look at my POST above !

It sure as hell says WHY RANIL DIDN'T GET ANY VOTES !!

 

[Nash_Node]

My undestanding on the TRC based on the Articles is that it mainly comprises of 3 areas

1. Human Rights Violations Investigation Committee - In charge of granting or refusing amnesty to human rights abuses involved in the said incidents/period

2.he Reparation and Rehabilitation Committee- Help with rehabilitation of victims & restoring victims' dignity

3. The Amnesty Committee - In charge of considered applications for Amnesty

Its a decent frame work... bt this alone will not be enough... we have to collaborate this kind of mechanism with peace talks too I gues...

Both parties hav to come to an agreement on what steps they are going to take in the future..

on LTTEs part > total stripping down of arms, giving up Ealam, coming to the legal governing system of the country (what ever system that is decided on), ect.
on Our Part> A Federal Solution going closely with India ????...steps taken in government departments & ministries to accommodate Tamil language in day to day work (This is a must as only a few departments cater to Tamil people when they go to government offices....ICTA is currently trying very hard to remedy this situation atleast in the internet by developing all the departments & Ministry's websites in all the 3 languages..)...ect.

So my view is we should first iron out the major problem of the 2 parties & after they come to a reasonable agreement, can implement something like the TRC to further enhance the process

Never forget that this is the same modle which worked for South Africa in a far more worse situation that our (not war, but post war conditions when there is a DRAW)

This is what people the likes of Nelson Mandela came up with...and it WORKED !