Aftermath of War! And Its Results

earthling

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    Asitha-K said:
    This quiz was Directly @ nash but i'd like to share some of my views too...
    We all know Ranil got a Big brain but when it comes to implimenting he's weak...
    Ranil made many mistakes in the peace talk table...
    like getting as Norway(which was a LTTE supporter) as the middleman
    didnt monitored LTTE while which allowd them to be more strong...
    Thats why his peace talk was a failure... If things work according to the plan...
    By now we are peaceful country!!

    Regarding our Ex-CFA... involving Norway was not the only disastrous thing Ranil did...It gave LTTE free reign over our areas, open up offices and get recruits, get cement & all the necessary equipment to strengthen their defenses, get military equipment without much hassle, come in to SLGOV controlled area with weapons even though it was against the CFA bt our guys couldn't do shit about it, claim ownership to areas that they didnt held previously, build bunkers on top of Strategic Military areas (Trincomalee harbor is a good example...where after the CFA ended & the first Mahinda-Praba clashes started, the LTTE started shelling the Trinco harbor from these so called positions.)... these are only a few examples of what the LTTE got out of the CFA & what we lost as a Government because of Ranils desperate need to hav PEACE AT ANY COST

    Prabakaran never wanted Talks..he only wants Ealam & Ealam alone... thats why even during the CFA he always recruited & stock piled his arsenal... he just took ranil for a ride & the first opportunity he got, the bugger ditched poor Ranil :lol:

    So the only way we could bring the bugger to genuine talks is if we weaken the LTTE militarily so that they hav no other option bt to come to an agreement..
     
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    earthling

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    Nash_Node said:
    Ok, let me ease it out

    As I said, I am not a party politics supporter... but The Chinthanaya has been on TV the past few days/weeks/months stating how he's going to bring the LTTE to their knees. We have attacked many places in the Vanni, we've managed to kill their political head. We've built lovely arched roofs for the checkpoints (how much do you think those cost? A lakh? More?) so that the cops can check us in comfort. And yet, this happened.


    The problem with all this, is that we never really considered what the LTTE would do. Did we realy expect them to stick around with their thumbs up their asses as we attacked them? Did we think that debacle at Anuradhapura was the end of it?


    We need to realise something fast. The LTTE is a terrorist organisation, and you cannot wipe out a terrorist organisation through force. Everything you do to them only encourages other poor dupes to join them. For every bomb you drop, another 10 people join up. Every time you try to bring them down by attacking the civillian areas, they get more support from everywhere. Sometimes the only way to win, is not to play.


    The LTTE live for these things. They WANT civillian casualties, in the south to strike terror into the populace, and in the north, to gain support for their cause. And I can tell you right now, they're succeeding in both. Is there any doubt or question that there will be more bombing raids in the Vanni now? Is there any question that more civillians will die there?

    Unfortunately the warmongers are the first to cry out for revenge. The Southern Terrorists (aka the JVP), the Sons of the Buddha (aka the JHU) will all scream for more bombs to be dropped, for more killings, for more attacks. And then they'll go back to their security-ensured dwellings, travel in their million-rupee luxury cars, and wring their hands on TV about the suffering of the innocent people.


    There is a way to end this war. It is not a pretty way. It is not an easy way, and it sure as hell won't get you any votes. But it will work.

    Declare peace!!


    Tell the world that we are not fighting the LTTE anymore. Tell them that they have the Vanni, and we're opening the gates. Anyone who wants to go into or come out of the Vanni can do so. If you want to be even more effective, speak to a few brothel owners and open a brothel just outside, give any LTTE members a "forces discount".:lol: Offer to bring ANY LTTE cadres who surrender to the south, give them a job, teach them Sinhala, give them a new identity if need be.


    Take away the checkpoints. Tell people that we are not going to live in fear. Tell people the truth, that no amount of checkpoints and security will stop someone who wants to bomb or hurt you.



    Tell them to be careful and vigilant, but also to understand that life today is a risk and no one can bring that risk down to zero. Let the people understand that this security theater that we have right now only makes them feel better withuot actually securing anyone.


    Remove the PSD and the MSD, or at least minimise them. Let the people know that the politicians are willing to face the same risks as the people are.



    Emphasise that we are all in this boat together, and it is for the politicians' benefit to end it as well


    Finally, tell the world that we are no longer at war. Tell them that any attacks done on the civillians is a direct result of the LTTE not wanting to give in. That we are willing to bring them into the governance whenever they're ready. Tell the world that if they want to stop civillian deaths, pressure the LTTE to come to the table.


    A pipe dream maybe. Unrealistic, I don't think so. The basis for the LTTE's fight is "look what the Sinhalese government is doing to us." Take away their reasons.


    Work with transparency and honesty. Show the world that we are trying for peace, and who the real warmongers are.


    Eris knows, the other method that we followed didn't work.

    Innovative thought..:lol: bt what makes you think that the LTTE will stop only after getting Vanni... They will want more..what if they demanded the lands of the original Ealam map (which comes nearly to Pothuwil from the west & Chilaw in the East )
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    What guarantee that we hav that the Bastard will simply be satisfied with what we hav offered.. if we say 'We stop fighting with you, you can hav Wanni'..do you think they will stop there ? As long as they hav their own armies..they will keep on raiding border villages, threatening even Sinhala & Muslims to leave, forcibly aquireing more land... what then ?

    Then do we sacrifice the rights & freedom of all the Sinhalese & Muslims so that a Terrorist group (even here remember that not ALL tamils support the LTTE) can hav everything while other's rights & freedom are grossly abused ?

    Then what if the Musilms start to demand justice of the LTTE's wrong doings to their peple ? and what if the Muslims demand the East for themselves..? well its a realistic demand isnt it ? then what ?

    And do u think the Sinhalese/Musilm/and some Tamil people will keep that kind of a government in power ?
     
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    earthling said:
    Innovative thought..:lol: bt what makes you think that the LTTE will stop only after getting Vanni... They will want more..what if they demanded the lands of the original Ealam map (which comes nearly to Pothuwil from the west & Chilaw in the East )
    LKA_E.gif


    What garantee that we hav that the Bastard will simply be satisfied with what we hav ofered.. if we say 'We stop fighting with you, you can hav Wanni'..do you think they will stop there ? As long as they hav their own armies..they will keep on raiding border villages, threatening even Sinhala & Muslims to leave, forcibly aquireing more land... what then ?

    Then do we sacrifice the rights & freedom of all the Sinhalese & Muslims so that a Terrorist group of one Race (even here remember that not ALL tamils support the LTTE) can hav everything & other's rights & freedom are grossly abused ?

    Then what if the Musilms start to demand justice of the LTTE's wrong doings to their peple ? and what if the Muslims demand the East for themselves..? well its a realistic demand isnt it ? then what ?

    And do u think the Sinhalese/Musilm/and some Tamil people will keep that kind of a government in power ?

    I am 100% agree with u machan.

    U have given the right answer for all peacemongers who post on this thread.
    We dont want to view this matter like greedy politician.
    War is the real answer for this terrorists but political solution will address the root couse of the problem.
    If anybody say war is not the answer for trerrorism at this stage it he is a real trator of the country.
    People , we cant get any thing with out having any sacrifies. what to sacrifies is need to be decide by us .
    Sacrify the country for our luxery ? or sacrify the human lives for sake of the future of the country ?
     

    DJ.Parker

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    Nash_Node said:
    Ok, let me ease it out


    There is a way to end this war. It is not a pretty way. It is not an easy way, and it sure as hell won't get you any votes. But it will work.

    Declare peace!!


    Tell the world that we are not fighting the LTTE anymore. Tell them that they have the Vanni, and we're opening the gates. Anyone who wants to go into or come out of the Vanni can do so. If you want to be even more effective, speak to a few brothel owners and open a brothel just outside, give any LTTE members a "forces discount".:lol: Offer to bring ANY LTTE cadres who surrender to the south, give them a job, teach them Sinhala, give them a new identity if need be.


    Take away the checkpoints. Tell people that we are not going to live in fear. Tell people the truth, that no amount of checkpoints and security will stop someone who wants to bomb or hurt you.



    Tell them to be careful and vigilant, but also to understand that life today is a risk and no one can bring that risk down to zero. Let the people understand that this security theater that we have right now only makes them feel better withuot actually securing anyone.


    Remove the PSD and the MSD, or at least minimise them. Let the people know that the politicians are willing to face the same risks as the people are.



    Emphasise that we are all in this boat together, and it is for the politicians' benefit to end it as well


    Finally, tell the world that we are no longer at war. Tell them that any attacks done on the civillians is a direct result of the LTTE not wanting to give in. That we are willing to bring them into the governance whenever they're ready. Tell the world that if they want to stop civillian deaths, pressure the LTTE to come to the table.


    A pipe dream maybe. Unrealistic, I don't think so. The basis for the LTTE's fight is "look what the Sinhalese government is doing to us." Take away their reasons.


    Work with transparency and honesty. Show the world that we are trying for peace, and who the real warmongers are.


    Eris knows, the other method that we followed didn't work.


    surely it does sound dream like... but what make u think that he's not another politician whos waiting to grab a piece....?

    earthling said:
    Innovative thought..:lol: bt what makes you think that the LTTE will stop only after getting Vanni... They will want more..what if they demanded the lands of the original Ealam map (which comes nearly to Pothuwil from the west & Chilaw in the East )


    What guarantee that we hav that the Bastard will simply be satisfied with what we hav offered.. if we say 'We stop fighting with you, you can hav Wanni'..do you think they will stop there ? As long as they hav their own armies..they will keep on raiding border villages, threatening even Sinhala & Muslims to leave, forcibly aquireing more land... what then ?

    Then do we sacrifice the rights & freedom of all the Sinhalese & Muslims so that a Terrorist group (even here remember that not ALL tamils support the LTTE) can hav everything while other's rights & freedom are grossly abused ?

    Then what if the Musilms start to demand justice of the LTTE's wrong doings to their peple ? and what if the Muslims demand the East for themselves..? well its a realistic demand isnt it ? then what ?

    And do u think the Sinhalese/Musilm/and some Tamil people will keep that kind of a government in power ?

    true......i also agree ur early tactic by weakening them n bringin to peace talks.... but who knows they will accept it and will get time to replenish to attack back whenever they want....
     

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    Kafir said:
    I am 100% agree with u machan.

    U have given the right answer for all peacemongers who post on this thread.
    We dont want to view this matter like greedy politician.
    War is the real answer for this terrorists but political solution will address the root couse of the problem.If anybody say war is not the answer for trerrorism at this stage it he is a real trator of the country.
    People , we cant get any thing with out having any sacrifies. what to sacrifies is need to be decide by us .
    Sacrify the country for our luxery ? or sacrify the human lives for sake of the future of the country ?

    political solution will address the root couse of the problem: isnt that u want? to correct our mistakes?

    and yes war is an applicable solution too but at the end of the war will there be a nation for the future generation to live?
     

    Asitha-K

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    Nash_Node said:
    Ok, let me ease it out

    As I said, I am not a party politics supporter... but The Chinthanaya has been on TV the past few days/weeks/months stating how he's going to bring the LTTE to their knees. We have attacked many places in the Vanni, we've managed to kill their political head. We've built lovely arched roofs for the checkpoints (how much do you think those cost? A lakh? More?) so that the cops can check us in comfort. And yet, this happened.

    etc etc... ... ... ... ... ..

    Wow man That shit really make sense!!!!
    Removing checkpoints will make our pople feel insecure!
    and they will blame the Govt.!
    What s ur openion about that!?
     

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    I was quite impressed by Nashnode's educated input, and its quite reassuring to know there are people out there, who dont think bombing the hell out of the LTTE will solve anything.


    Despite this, I was quite worried to see people disregarding the significance and power of peacetalks due to the recent failures. I think its quite important to stress the fact that peacetalks do work (like with the IRA in the UK), and that we should be persistent and not just brush the idea away due to our badly conducted attempt.


    Hopefully the future will bring the end of Praba, and a new more reasonable president, as I dont see things progressing as they are. The 2 leaders in this confict both embarass me as a Sri Lankan, and I hope we will see more forward-looking,Mandella-like replacements to take the talks forward...
     

    Nash_Node

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    tsp said:
    I was quite impressed by Nashnode's educated input, and its quite reassuring to know there are people out there, who dont think bombing the hell out of the LTTE will solve anything.


    Despite this, I was quite worried to see people disregarding the significance and power of peacetalks due to the recent failures. I think its quite important to stress the fact that peacetalks do work (like with the IRA in the UK), and that we should be persistent and not just brush the idea away due to our badly conducted attempt.


    Hopefully the future will bring the end of Praba, and a new more reasonable president, as I dont see things progressing as they are. The 2 leaders in this confict both embarass me as a Sri Lankan, and I hope we will see more forward-looking,Mandella-like replacements to take the talks forward...


    This might interest you

    http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83485
     

    rash87

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    Interesting topic, wanna read the whole thing but little pre-occupied now. Just a simple comment about war, I strongly believe showing mercy to LTTE won't slove he problem, but then again WAR isn't the answer as well;)