Are you afraid of Terrorists

[AtulaSiriwardane]

This is from the thread suggested to ban me.
I thought this is an interesting topic.
What do you think.
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Discuss with a terrorist in a SL forum? No way. The terrorists needs to be rehabilitated first before hand. Then only we can talk. No point speaking with psychopaths. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Your main problem is you are afraid of terrorists... You are scared and terrorized by them.
If I am afraid of you you become a terrorist to me and I would try to stop you.. That is the reason for what you are doing..
You are afraid even talk to a terrorist in a forum. You are not sure of yourself. You trust that he is strong enough to over power you.
You are right in that. Because you are scared already. That fear is the energy you are driven. So you can't think properly. I saw another reply saying something similar. (your problem is you started everything from the "he's a terrorist" point)

I'll tell you a beautiful story.
Buddha tamed Angulimala and he became monk..
King Kosala went out with a great army and came to Buddha.
Buddha asked him.."King, Where are you going, with this large army?"
King said "Oh, Lord Buddha, I am going to catch Angulimala"
"Really,?... Good.
If he had already became a monk, what would you do, King"? Buddha asked.

King Kosala at once said
"Then I will treat him the way I would treat any other monk. I will pay him my respect., offer Dana and such things."
Then Buddha showing the young, pleasent Monk sitting next to him said
"Here is Angulimala, King. Pay your respect."
King fainted. Angulimala didn't change.. He should have run with the robe in his hand if ha was afraid of king and his army. He knew the truth and for Angulimala fear is just a strong sensation in the body. But for King fear was enough to be dropped, fainted.
Why?
He really was afraid.. He was scared of him all the time. He didn't do anything to catch him for so long, till Angulimala kill 999 citizens of his country.
King Kosala must have heard of that Angulimala became a monk and thought that better he would win some more votes by acting heroic..
(Politicians are politicians.)

So you act out of your fear. You say " The terrorists needs to be rehabilitated first before hand. Then only we can talk."
Whats the use then... ? He won't be a terrorist then...
Who knows? you may be fainted even then.

Buddha faced Angulimala when he was a terrorist. King kosala saw the rehabilitated Angulimala and fainted..
What's the difference.
Buddha had Metta and King had dwesha.
Terrorist is a psychopath, yes. That means he is sick.
Why do you afraid of a sick person.?
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[sirajstc]

No never

 

[twisted]

terrorists are supposed to have us afraid of them that's how they got the name "terror-ist"

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

To me he is a sick person needs treatment.
If I am afraid of Terrorists
I would hate them.
If I am not afraid
I will have Metta, Karuna, Mudita and Upekkha.

Test yourself.


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[kosandpol]

Um.. 1 question,
"Metta, karuna, mudita and upekkha " cant save you from a suicide blast can it ?
Morally, you may have won since you were not afraid of the terrorist and his attack, but you're well and truly dead never the less.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

terrorists are supposed to have us afraid of them that's how they got the name "terror-ist"

That's what.
Terrorists are two types.
Terrorists terrorize you
and Terrorists terrorize others.
Depends on you.
Terrorists are there. But I am not terrified.

Angulimala was not a terrorist to Buddha.
But he treated him and saved him.

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[freak88]

YES

 

[twisted]

That's what.
Terrorists are two types.
Terrorists terrorize you
and Terrorists terrorize others.
Depends on you.
Terrorists are there. But I am not terrified.

Angulimala was not a terrorist to Buddha.
But he treated him and saved him.

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well in that sense I'm not terrified either . but if they were in next town i defa would be

we are made to feel afraid for a reason. so we can balance our emotions like fright - bravery ..hate- love and etc. so if we are not terrified when you are supposed to be either you're stupid or half-brain dead.

and as for the subject matter in the thread topic i must admit that most ppl either try to kill what they are afraid of or respect it..well most they try the first option first. ass-kissing part takes place next if they fail killing what they are afraid of

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

Um.. 1 question,
"Metta, karuna, mudita and upekkha " cant save you from a suicide blast can it ?
Morally, you may have won since you were not afraid of the terrorist and his attack, but you're well and truly dead never the less.

If I have a bad kamma I will be there to pay for it. That is Kamma niyama.
Or none will be saved if a bomb blasted near him. It is Dhamma Niyama -A principle of Nature. I accept both and why should I be afraid making a mental picture.
Metta won't save my physical body if I have done a bad Karma of killing or planning to kill... but My next birth would be a good one if I really have Metta. Otherwise Nature will save me by making me quicker or slower to miss the bomb.

Mettanisansa Sutta.
"Monks, eleven advantages are to be expected from the release (deliverance) of heart by familiarizing oneself with thoughts of loving-kindness (metta), by the cultivation of loving-kindness, by constantly increasing these thoughts, by regarding loving-kindness as a vehicle (of expression), and also as something to be treasured, by living in conformity with these thoughts, by putting these ideas into practice, and by establishing them. What are the eleven?

1. He sleeps in comfort.
2. He awakes in comfort.
3. He sees no evil dreams.
4. He is dear to human beings.
5. HE IS DEAR TO NON-HUMAN BEINGS
6. Devas (gods) protect him.
7. FIRE, POISON, SWORD CANNOT TOUCH HIM
8. His mind can concentrate quickly.
9. His countenance is serene.
10. He dies without being confused in mind.
11. If he fails to attain arahantship (the highest sanctity here and now), he will be reborn in the brahma-world."

(See: Mettanisansa Sutra at http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/anguttara/an11-016a.html)

 

[asachan]

Um.. 1 question,
"Metta, karuna, mudita and upekkha " cant save you from a suicide blast can it ?
Morally, you may have won since you were not afraid of the terrorist and his attack, but you're well and truly dead never the less.

Need a good answer for this

 

[asachan]

That's what.
Terrorists are two types.
Terrorists terrorize you
and Terrorists terrorize others.
Depends on you.
Terrorists are there. But I am not terrified.

Angulimala was not a terrorist to Buddha.
But he treated him and saved him.

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This is true
But you need to understand that we don't have that much meththa Karuna Muditha to turn some one like Angulimala to a good man in this time

Can you apply this method to LTTE leader? if so it will be appreciated.

 

[kosandpol]

If I have a bad kamma I will be there to pay for it. That is Kamma niyama.
Or none will be saved if a bomb blasted near him. It is Dhamma Niyama -A principle of Nature. I accept both and why should I be afraid making a mental picture.
Metta won't save my physical body if I have done a bad Karma of killing or planning to kill... but My next birth would be a good one if I really have Metta. Otherwise Nature will save me by making me quicker or slower to miss the bomb.

Are you saying all murders are effects of karma ? that none are outside the karma ? That collateral damage was all pre ordained ?
You need to re read the scriptures buddy. Even with karma, there is still the element of chance.

Mettanisansa Sutta.
"Monks, eleven advantages are to be expected from the release (deliverance) of heart by familiarizing oneself with thoughts of loving-kindness (metta), by the cultivation of loving-kindness, by constantly increasing these thoughts, by regarding loving-kindness as a vehicle (of expression), and also as something to be treasured, by living in conformity with these thoughts, by putting these ideas into practice, and by establishing them. What are the eleven?

This is fine for a monk who has already left his other wise worldly bonds. That sutta wont help the child who lost his parents or the parents who lost their child due to that attack.
I for one am not ready to die by any terrorist's attack or any other means as I have family that depends on me to provide the daily bread. While I'm not scared of the terrorist, I'm not prepared to be a victim of his attacks either.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

well in that sense I'm not terrified either . but if they were in next town i defa would be

we are made to feel afraid for a reason. so we can balance our emotions like fright - bravery ..hate- love and etc. so if we are not terrified when you are supposed to be either you're stupid or half-brain dead.

and as for the subject matter in the thread topic i must admit that most ppl either try to kill what they are afraid of or respect it..well most they try the first option first. ass-kissing part takes place next if they fail killing what they are afraid of

True...
One should not be ignorant to something dangerous.. It is moha.. it is against Awareness -Sihiya.
But if you become terrified again you fall into a state of Moha.. losing balence of your mind. You need Upekkha. Upekkha to the chemicals release in your body which force you to act fast. If you are a slave of them you will act blindly and miss.
It is not easy.. One needs practice.. Practice of how to have upekkha toward the sensations of the body. (That is gained by Vipassana)
I don't say I don't feel the sensations of fear.. I do... but it does not clutter or disrurb my mind. That is why I don't react to threads.. I try to respond..
No need to overcome the adversity or kiss the back if we do not confront with hatred..
Just being not affected is enough.

 

[massina]

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179768

 

[twisted]

True...
One should not be ignorant to something dangerous.. It is moha.. it is against Awareness -Sihiya.
But if you become terrified again you fall into a state of Moha.. losing balence of your mind. You need Upekkha. Upekkha to the chemicals release in your body which force you to act fast. If you are a slave of them you will act blindly and miss.
It is not easy.. One needs practice.. Practice of how to have upekkha toward the sensations of the body. (That is gained by Vipassana)
I don't say I don't feel the sensations of fear.. I do... but it does not clutter or disrurb my mind. That is why I don't react to threads.. I try to respond..
No need to overcome the adversity or kiss the back if we do not confront with hatred..
Just being not affected is enough.

i can only thank you for the religious/psychological lesson lol

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

Are you saying all murders are effects of karma ? that none are outside the karma ? That collateral damage was all pre ordained ?
You need to re read the scriptures buddy. Even with karma, there is still the element of chance.

Thats true.. Kamma is just one aspect only.
There are four more Niyaamas, which functions
Seasons,
Heriditory,
(Kamma),
Nature (of things)
Mind (conscious and unconscious)
One or more niama would cause an incident.

This is fine for a monk who has already left his other wise worldly bonds. That sutta wont help the child who lost his parents or the parents who lost their child due to that attack.

Metta is just a state of mind one can easily switched in to.. but one needs practice and samadhi...
All these can be practiced through simple techniques like Anapana sati.. These are not religious techniques.. There were millions of Laymen got saved following these techniques... But unless testing them with practice one will never understand by intelectualizing.

I for one am not ready to die by any terrorist's attack or any other means as I have family that depends on me to provide the daily bread. While I'm not scared of the terrorist, I'm not prepared to be a victim of his attacks either.

You are right..
In such a situation what Buddha offers you is an unterrified, uncluttered, balenced mind which thinks much better than a cluttered mind with fear.

You read the threads and you know how the people who hate terrorists think and argue.. They are on the verge of madness. They threaten to kill for nothing.. I think many who kill on impulse don't know what they are doing. People who plan and kill not much different but sustain the hormone flow till they act.

Idha thappathi, Pechcha thappathi
Burn themselves now and burn later.


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[Wal Bada]

Your main problem is you are afraid of terrorists... You are scared and terrorized by them.

That's why they are called terrorist
Without a gun, I would not approach a one of them for my self defence.

If I am afraid of you you become a terrorist to me and I would try to stop you.. That is what you are doing..

Nice argument but illogical from the beginning of it. Why should you be afraid of me?I have no history of being with suicide bombers or shooting down people. If there's someone who is threatening you, there are ways to stop than terror tactics. As an middle aged adult, you may be aware of them

You are afraid even talk to a terrorist in a forum. You are not sure of yourself. You trust that he is strong enough to over power you.

Wrong button once more. I don't want to hear from a psycho unless I am his doctor. What psychos say does not make sense. I don't want to talk with a terrorist, because he is brain washed.

You are right in that. Because you are scared already. That fear is the energy you are driven.

This is utter bollocks.

So you can't think properly. I saw another reply saying something similar. (your problem is you started everything from the "he's a terrorist" point)

You are the one seeing through green tinted glassed and cannot think. To face a terrorist on real world, yes I am afraid. On the net, No, but I don't talk with psychopaths, because it is waste of time.

I'll tell you a beautiful story.

Buddha tamed Angulimala and he became monk..
King Kosala went out with a great army and came to Buddha.
Buddha asked him.."King, Where are you going, with this large army?"
King said "Oh, Lord Buddha, I am going to catch Angulimala"
"Really,?... Good.
If he had already became a monk, what would you do, King"? Buddha asked.

King Kosala at once said
"Then I will treat him the way I would treat any other monk. I will pay him my respect., offer Dana and such things."
Then Buddha showing the young, pleasent Monk sitting next to him said
"Here is Angulimala, King. Pay your respect."
King fainted. Angulimala didn't change.. He should have run with the robe in his hand if ha was afraid of king and his army. He knew the truth and for Angulimala fear is just a strong sensation in the body. But for King fear was enough to be dropped, fainted.
Why?
He really was afraid.. He was scared of him all the time. He didn't do anything to catch him for so long, till Angulimala kill 999 citizens of his country.
King Kosala must have heard of that Angulimala became a monk and thought that better he would win some more votes by acting heroic..
(Politicians are politicians.)

Yo, retard, no one of us is a Buddha. Then also, Buddha preached him only after "rehabilitation". This rehabilitation is the well known "Angulimala damanaya" Once more my point gets more proven even from your examples.

So you act out of your fear. You say " The terrorists needs to be rehabilitated first before hand. Then only we can talk."
Whats the use then... ? He won't be a terrorist then...
Who knows? you may be fainted even then.

Exactly the point. Pycho patients are not allowed to work until they are treated and rehabilitated. You gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING talking to a mentally ill person, unless you are a psychiatry post-graduate doctor.

Buddha faced Angulimala when he was a terrorist.

But only preached after rehabilitation.My point stands.

King kosala saw the rehabilitated Angulimala and fainted..

This is new to me, provide a link to this story.

What's the difference. Buddha had Metta and King had dwesha.

That's the very reason he should be rehabilitated. We are not Buddha. Or are you claiming to be Buddha to be able to do it?

Terrorist is a psychopath, yes. That means he is sick.

Bingo! sick needs care of a doctor. Not a internet forum

Why are you afraid of a sick person.?

The worst of serial killers were in fact sick. There is no shame being afraid of a violent psychopath who could blowup himself at any second. (In real world). On ynternet forum, their rubbish is post without any insight, and it's useless to talk to them.

 

[Wal Bada]

And you were cunning enough not to mention the place. On the internet or face to face?

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

This is true
But you need to understand that we don't have that much meththa Karuna Muditha to turn some one like Angulimala to a good man in this time

Can you apply this method to LTTE leader? if so it will be appreciated.

Even without Metta at all it can happen.
It happened to Karuna
and Why not to Prabha.

Politics is a strange practice.
Miracles happen
and people watch
without even being surprised.

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[AtulaSiriwardane]

That's why they are called terrorist
Without a gun, I would not approach a one of them for my self defence.

Nice argument but illogical from the beginning of it. Why should you be afraid of me?I have no history of being with suicide bombers or shooting down people. If there's someone who is threatening you, there are ways to stop than terror tactics. As an middle aged adult, you may be aware of them

Wrong button once more. I don't want to hear from a psycho unless I am his doctor. What psychos say does not make sense. I don't want to talk with a terrorist, because he is brain washed.

This is utter bollocks.

You are the one seeing through green tinted glassed and cannot think. To face a terrorist on real world, yes I am afraid. On the net, No, but I don't talk with psychopaths, because it is waste of time.

Yo, retard, no one of us is a Buddha. Then also, Buddha preached him only after "rehabilitation". This rehabilitation is the well known "Angulimala damanaya" Once more my point gets more proven even from your examples.

Exactly the point. Pycho patients are not allowed to work until they are treated and rehabilitated. You gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING talking to a mentally ill person, unless you are a psychiatry post-graduate doctor.

But only preached after rehabilitation.My point stands.
This is new to me, provide a link to this story.

That's the very reason he should be rehabilitated. We are not Buddha. Or are you claiming to be Buddha to be able to do it?

Bingo! sick needs care of a doctor. Not a internet forum

The worst of serial killers were in fact sick. There is no shame being afraid of a violent psychopath who could blowup himself at any second. (In real world). On ynternet forum, their rubbish is post without any insight, and it's useless to talk to them.

All the terrorists are not brainwashed...I suppose.
Karuna and Pillayan and many of Terrorists who joined the Govt were not rehabilitated.
They look even better, more Gentlemen looking compared to many Govt minsters who behave and talk like thugs. They talk intelligently... logically.
Were they brainwashed or were they not terrorists.
And I don't bring JVPers who look better than our patriotic ministers.