AS per Ancient Glory:QURAN has NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF & IT HAS ERRORS

[AncientGlory]

Ridiculous..Still are u waiting for my answers?? , you have labelled me I have lack of knowledge in science and also you wrote you don't want to continue with me debating,etc....... even after all this if you are waiting for my reply means what?? seems to be you are withdrawing your statement is it.

Ok, that's it? I did state that there is no use in debating with you. This is because I find it difficult to reason with you. No disrespect intended. That is a fact. But I did not say that I don't want to continue debating with you in this thread. The thread is directly addressed to me right? So I will be here as long as you are here.

I did not label you with anything. I just pointed out a fact which you yourself accepted. You do not have knowledge in science. All you have done is copy paste stuff from the internet to answer the questions. There was no debate with you, you only acted as an agent for those people whose stuff you copy pasted.

And what statement am I withdrawing?

If you don't want to answer the questions, that's fine. No matter how hard you try, you will not be able to prove the science in quran because there aren't any. Falsehood will perish, as always.

Quran is a marvelous book a quality piece of literature and religion, I agree. But it is not a science book. Many Muslims understand this(Especially ones with a scientific background). It is a religious book, not a science book. Anyway whether you answer to me or not makes no difference to me. I'm only trying to give the readers something to think about. As I mentioned, I have already understood that, it is difficult to reason with you. You change what you say, you alter your stance suiting your agenda, and you can't accept when you are given concrete logic, that you have made a mistake.

 

[dilankandy]

I'm sorry to see your reply. see bec I don't know abt your religion only I have asked you a basic question, which you don't want to reply me clearly..what happened to you guys, I just simply asked something ,neither I have abused nor condemned your religion, but you r telling me to do some home work. see this thread is for learning. anyway u guys are useless you dont even know ur religion properly, but keep on blaming other religions falsely as though your religion is perfect.

1. Is this your reply when i ask for your source for those scriptures. anyone can see that you are trying to escape from that..

2. and fyi this thread is not about buddhism and its sects. its about the quran being nonscientific fiction.

3. If you really wanna know there are four wide spreaded sects in buddhism (in percent world) Therawada, Mahayana, Wajrayana and Tibetiyan. And these sects dont fight with other sects to prove which one is the right one. Except for tibetian and Zen the basic fundamentals of other sects are much same
Cause buddhism was divided in to two sects in the beginning (Theriya, Maha saangika) and theriya is what we call therawada and Maha saangika divided in to other sects. and the only difference of the major two sects was that Theriya Sect had 10 more rules for Bhikkus and Maha saangika decided to not to have them

4. Therawada is practiced in Sri lanka, India, Burma, Miyanmar and Nepal as far as i know. Mahayana vastly is in In some parts of precent china and Korea. Zen (mahayana) is Japanese Buddhism. and Wajraayana is in countries like Bhuthan and Mongolia. There is a web site called Wikipedia and you can find lot more information from there. Just type Buddhism in the search bar there.

5. I haven't researched about other sects except therawada cause they are not popular in sri lanka.

6. And you are right, I dont know 100% about all buddhist preachings. Cause its not contained in a single book like other religions. There are plenty much threads in this elakiri which explain about Therawada buddhism and its scripture. But i know buddhism enough to see and experience the truth in it.

7. And i dont start arguing with muslim nut jobs as a buddhist my self if it is not directly addressed to buddhists or if some false details have given regard buddhism. I always enter the arguments as an atheist. Its a quite good topic to learn new stuff about cosmology, physics, energy and its tons of fun too.

8. We dont blame other religions falsely and where ever we had done that we have given proofs from your own so called holy books. But you people do not accept the clear truth and try to argue. here is a simple example-


" 1.Would you accept that an having sex (abuse) with a nine year old girl is humane and a something you should allow to be done in civilized society is brutal, pedophile, abusive insane and illegal act no matter who did it?

2. Would you allow your 9 year old sister (imagine) to be raped or even to be have sex with her will? "

I don't want any explanations. Just answer with a simple yes or no. (those are what they call yes/no questions in english)

NOW PLEASE GIVE ME THE SOURCE OF THOSE SCRIPTURES. OR IF YOU CANNOT PLEASE ACCEPT THAT YOU TRIED (as always) TO PROVE THAT SOMETHING YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

 

[dilankandy]

Ridiculous..Still are u waiting for my answers?? , you have labelled me I have lack of knowledge in science and also you wrote you don't want to continue with me debating,etc....... even after all this if you are waiting for my reply means what?? seems to be you are withdrawing your statement is it.

Lets say we just want to see what kind of new theory you gonna unleash on Ancientglory. You got really new stuff in your mind i have never even dreamed in my sickest dream

 

[AncientGlory]

I'd like to point out some of the debating techniques used by I love SriLanka in this thread.

(1)The language card was used in more than one occasion to slip away. following questions have been ignored in all such cases.

Now the million dollar question. Who has said this interpretation is correct? Does Quran any where say the above interpretation? or is it in Hadiths? or you just made it up?

Now it seems to me that words/word phrases like ascending to heavens, meteorites are not mentioned in the quaranic verse. So who interpreted the meaning? What authority does he have for this? Why should we not interpret our own meaning? Why should we believe something else other than the obvious direct meaning?

How do you know the word means "rotating about its own axis" not "orbiting"?

(2)When asked to explain the content of a link provided, such questions were ignored. This is because he has no scientific background nor any idea what science is. Following quote which has been ignored is an example.

What is that video supposed to be explaining ? Would you care to explain how it explain the question in hand?

1-The sun does not have the power that it should draw the moon into itself, or enter its orbit and collide with it; and

Care to explain more? I can't understand this.

Not an accurate statement. Care to explain?

(3)He further made this claim, which of course need no explanation.

f you mean they r engineers then how can u expect engineers to know science

(4)When frustrated and angry he switches to name calling. Name calling is fun, but you should do it when both of you are in a fun mood. Not when you are angry because you are pwned..

even after explaining clearly to other joker, same question raised by this joker.

(5)Also note the number of times I have asked following question, which of course is still not unanswered. I'm guessing you couldn't find anything in Google I love Srilanka? Don't be surprised, you won't find anything. Facts are facts.

Can you tell me what is the pair(symmetrical particle) of a photon??

So what's the pair of a photon?

What is the pair of a PHOTON?

(6) When two of his posts contradict each other, it was pointed out and no comment was made on this.

Did you even realize that the above information you copied from this link , completely contradicts with this link which you used to copy information for post #44??

Still the questions remain unanswered. The lame attempt to challenge me on a subject he has zero knowledge on, has become humorous if nothing else.

 

[dilankandy]

I'd like to point out some of the debating techniques used by I love SriLanka in this thread.

The language card was used in more than one occasion to slip away. following questions have been ignored in all such cases.







When asked to explain the content of a link provided, such questions were ignored. This is because he has no scientific background nor any idea what science is. Following quote which has been ignored is an example.






He further made this claim, which of course need no explanation.




When frustrated and angry he switches to name calling. Name calling is fun, but you should do it when both of you are in a fun mood. Not when you are angry because you are pwned..




Still the questions remain unanswered. The lame attempt to challenge me on a subject he has zero knowledge on, has become humorous if nothing else.

Dude.. I was thinking of doing such a thing for a long time. To continue a debate and point out where they contradict on their own words.. this is better than that..

 

[AncientGlory]

Dude.. I was thinking of doing such a thing for a long time. To continue a debate and point out where they contradict on their own words.. this is better than that..

I've added even some more points, check it out.

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

I love the way this video begins!!

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

 

[I love Srilanka]

There are unanswered questions in this thread, but the following two I think are really significant. Still waiting for the answers.

2-the sun cannot appear in the times which have been appointed for the rising and appearing of the moon. It is not possible that the sun should suddenly appear on the horizon when the moon is shining at night.

Two images(among many) where sun and moon appear at the same time.

I am surprised to see your misunderstanding, of course it can appear , here it meant sun physically cant move to moon's place & appear.


regarding the pair of photon, I don't have much knowledge as to convince you. you may either see this website http://www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm. if you are still not convince you may even ask to some muslims who has knowledge than me.

 

[I love Srilanka]

I agree 100% brother.

You are still hanging on to that? So you are still trying to prove that Engineers don't know anything about science? Let it go. The damage is done. You have showed your wisdom to the fullest.

Your expectation of learning non science content with the above mentioned course will meet with disappointment. It's Bachelor of Science Of BA. You will be learning the following subjects(In case you find it difficult to understand, all these subjects are science related). Check out the course contents. Before you humiliate yourself again, I also suggest you to do your homework before posting pointless rants here.

Mathematics
Psychology
Biology
Chemistry
Environmental Sciences
Micro Biology
Physics

You will be needed to complete 32 credits from the above subjects(plus other selections from the offered subjects). So if you complete this course, maybe... just maybe you might have a slight chance of debating science with us. But I'm quite positive if you glimpse even slightly at science, you'll give up the whole idea of saying that quran even remotely has science in it. The two things are just not compatible.

For the last time, there is no core subject(Except English, in Sri Lankan Universities) an Engineer will learn that is not science related. That is about 18 credits per semester with 8 semesters altogether. Your point is ridiculous. You are trying to crawl back from the mud pit, but you are getting dirtier every time. Once again, let it go.

I dont want to drag this subject further as it will lead to unnecessary debate. you consider yourself your statement is always correct.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Ok, that's it? I did state that there is no use in debating with you. This is because I find it difficult to reason with you. No disrespect intended. That is a fact. But I did not say that I don't want to continue debating with you in this thread. The thread is directly addressed to me right? So I will be here as long as you are here.

I did not label you with anything. I just pointed out a fact which you yourself accepted. You do not have knowledge in science. All you have done is copy paste stuff from the internet to answer the questions. There was no debate with you, you only acted as an agent for those people whose stuff you copy pasted.

And what statement am I withdrawing?

If you don't want to answer the questions, that's fine. No matter how hard you try, you will not be able to prove the science in quran because there aren't any. Falsehood will perish, as always.

Quran is a marvelous book a quality piece of literature and religion, I agree. But it is not a science book. Many Muslims understand this(Especially ones with a scientific background). It is a religious book, not a science book. Anyway whether you answer to me or not makes no difference to me. I'm only trying to give the readers something to think about. As I mentioned, I have already understood that, it is difficult to reason with you. You change what you say, you alter your stance suiting your agenda, and you can't accept when you are given concrete logic, that you have made a mistake.

Yes surely I did copy and pasted.if you find I have lack of knowledge in science that doesn't mean Quran is not contradicting with science. see here in this forum, you can expect only average knowledgeable people to be present, you may know something better than me or I may know something else better than you. based on my knowledge you cant judge the quran, what I can do is here only convince some one in any means, if some one is not convinced it is not the mistake of Quran. also if some one who keep on alleging the Quran, need further details or convincing answers to the Question or absurdities that he has, he has to approach some one who has good knowledge than me or some one who come to this forum...See Im not saying Im a big scientist neither a knowledgeable person/scholar.as per me, i hope you are also not..anyway it is always right to keep aside something which we both dont agree upon..and go ahead with something else..if you wish you may later get it clarified from some knowledgeable person than me about your allegation. also I never said Quran is a science book, it is revelation which also have some scientific facts thats it.

 

[haleemdeen]

Yes surely I did copy and pasted.if you find I have lack of knowledge in science that doesn't mean Quran is not contradicting with science. see here in this forum, you can expect only average knowledgeable people to be present, you may know something better than me or I may know something else better than you. based on my knowledge you cant judge the quran, what I can do is here only convince some one in any means, if some one is not convinced it is not the mistake of Quran. also if some one who keep on alleging the Quran, need further details or convincing answers to the Question or absurdities that he has, he has to approach some one who has good knowledge than me or some one who come to this forum...See Im not saying Im a big scientist neither a knowledgeable person/scholar.as per me, i hope you are also not..anyway it is always right to keep aside something which we both dont agree upon..and go ahead with something else..if you wish you may later get it clarified from some knowledgeable person than me about your allegation. also I never said Quran is a science book, it is revelation which also have some scientific facts thats it.

 

[AncientGlory]

I am surprised to see your misunderstanding, of course it can appear , here it meant sun physically cant move to moon's place & appear.

I'm not following what you are saying. This is not what you said before. But I'm gonna let it go. Fair enough.

regarding the pair of photon, I don't have much knowledge as to convince you. you may either see this website http://www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm. if you are still not convince you may even ask to some muslims who has knowledge than me.

The given link does not provide the answer to the question what is a pair of a photon. But No worries.

I dont want to drag this subject further as it will lead to unnecessary debate. you consider yourself your statement is always correct.

Yep, lets just drop this.

 

[AncientGlory]

Yes surely I did copy and pasted.if you find I have lack of knowledge in science that doesn't mean Quran is not contradicting with science. see here in this forum, you can expect only average knowledgeable people to be present, you may know something better than me or I may know something else better than you. based on my knowledge you cant judge the quran, what I can do is here only convince some one in any means, if some one is not convinced it is not the mistake of Quran. also if some one who keep on alleging the Quran, need further details or convincing answers to the Question or absurdities that he has, he has to approach some one who has good knowledge than me or some one who come to this forum...See Im not saying Im a big scientist neither a knowledgeable person/scholar.as per me, i hope you are also not..anyway it is always right to keep aside something which we both dont agree upon..and go ahead with something else..if you wish you may later get it clarified from some knowledgeable person than me about your allegation. also I never said Quran is a science book, it is revelation which also have some scientific facts thats it.

I don't have a problem with copy pasting, as long as you mention the source and the copy pasted stuff serves a purpose. But I'm only interested in having a debate with you, one who challenged me, not with internet. I do not expect you to know science just as you don't expect me to know about Accounting. But I'm not gonna start something if I'm not sure I can finish it. I find you trying to talk about something that you don't have a clear idea about somewhat unwise. I'm not a big scientist or a knowledgeable scholar myself but I believe I have a fair understanding on basics of science.

I do not at all mind you starting a debate on a subject that you might not have a fair knowledge on. You can always learn things right? But everyone becomes frustrated if you can't keep up. That's what I'm saying.

In the end everything will come to a personal perspective. The world we live on is subjective. Within each one of us we have our own world. Your view is individual to you and you see science in quran. This is fine by me. I respect your attempt to stand by your belief and trying to show me the same thing you saw. Unfortunately I did not see facts and logic that convinced me. So my view has not changed.

We can agree to disagree and move on. Thank you for the effort and time and it was time well spent.

Salaam brother.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Now lets list where Quran went wrong so far...

1. Bones are created before flesh- Contradicts Molecular embryology

Verse 23:14 by Saying "then we clothed the bones with flesh." Verse wasn't speaking about which was created first, the bones or the muscles, but rather, it was speaking about the wrapping of the muscles around the bones happens after the creation of the the bones...If you are genuinely want to know, you may even see full details in this site http://www.answering-christianity.com/bones_then_muscles_wrapping.htm

2. Allah created everything in pairs-Contradicts general knowledge, common sense and basic biology

Im sorry, I don't have much knowledge abt biology to convince you. You may ask a muslim who knows much better biology.


3. Sun and Moon cannot appear at the same time- photographic proof is provided, Allah loses big time

Obviously it may appear as we can see in photo, original versus never said so but "It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit".
What I said was sun & moon cant appear at the same time. I meant physically sun & moon cant enter in to each other orbits and appear so.

Please guys add other points when you are bored.....

Inshallah If I know Genuine Questions will be answered to you, I don't mind you are bored or not.

 

[I love Srilanka]

I don't have a problem with copy pasting, as long as you mention the source and the copy pasted stuff serves a purpose. But I'm only interested in having a debate with you, one who challenged me, not with internet. I do not expect you to know science just as you don't expect me to know about Accounting. But I'm not gonna start something if I'm not sure I can finish it. I find you trying to talk about something that you don't have a clear idea about somewhat unwise. I'm not a big scientist or a knowledgeable scholar myself but I believe I have a fair understanding on basics of science.

In fact, you 1st challenged saying Quran doesn't have any science even a single fact.,This is how we started this.I am 100% sure that this statement was wrong, despite you are not convinced with answers to the allegation.I don't know perhaps you casually said it.
also,you are correct,yes to challenge on something, I should have had vast knowledge, But still I wanted go ahead with that bec of the material which is available on the internet.anyway still no problem as long as Im truthful and not fabricate something to win the argument..as I told you earlier we cant expect everyone to know everything but some cases I need to say I don't know than saying lie..further my science knowledge doesn't represent the Quran,neither you can judge Quran based on my knowledge if I have not convinced you. What i can recommend u is, you may even ask some well knowledgeable person,before come in to conclusion that quran has errors. see thats the difference between most of the muslims and non muslims, coz most of us never allege or abuse other scriptures, but I do often see most of non muslims allege & abuse the Quran as though they are concretely sure, before researching on that/with their own blind research.


I do not at all mind you starting a debate on a subject that you might not have a fair knowledge on. You can always learn things right? But everyone becomes frustrated if you can't keep up. That's what I'm saying.

In the end everything will come to a personal perspective. The world we live on is subjective. Within each one of us we have our own world. Your view is individual to you and you see science in quran. This is fine by me. I respect your attempt to stand by your belief and trying to show me the same thing you saw. Unfortunately I did not see facts and logic that convinced me. So my view has not changed.

this is what happening in this forum, Sometime I feel like no worth at all.coz after so much of time spent, none of us changed the our own view.

We can agree to disagree and move on. Thank you for the effort and time and it was time well spent.

Thanks

Salaam brother.

Wassalam brother.

 

[AncientGlory]

this is what happening in this forum, Sometime I feel like no worth at all.coz after so much of time spent, none of us changed the our own view.

Well this is not just for the personal benefit, others also read. Even though we do not change the views we always learn something and I assume others who read also.

And I have changed my mind on some things. For an example sometime ago a discussion with a muslim lead me to change my view on the concept of "Free will". I was sure that "Free will" and Omnimax GOD cannot co-exist. But it turned out that it will depend on the definition of "Free Will".

 

[haleemdeen]

I would like to discuss one point by one. Lets just first discuss about errors in quran.

I say quran 51:49 is erroneous. Answer the following question and prove me wrong.

(1) What is the pair of a Photon?

My point of view is that the science is very slow and need time.They say that photon is mass-less and without electric charge. But this may be or may not be true, because this is still the current situation. The people of today knew a lot of pairs than the people who lived before. There are positive, negative pair in electricity. And also there are protons, electrons pair present in an atom. The people of those day never knew such thing. Advancing of science is the reason of proving. Then are you saying that the advancing of science is given a full-stop this era. No ! This is the fact that gives Islam to the future science

I would like to discuss one point by one. Lets just first discuss about errors in quran.

So what's your next step of errors !!! Can I know them ?

 

[AncientGlory]

My point of view is that the science is very slow and need time.They say that photon is mass-less and without electric charge. But this may be or may not be true, because this is still the current situation. The people of today knew a lot of pairs than the people who lived before. There are positive, negative pair in electricity. And also there are protons, electrons pair present in an atom. The people of those day never knew such thing. Advancing of science is the reason of proving. Then are you saying that the advancing of science is given a full-stop this era. No ! This is the fact that gives Islam to the future science

So what's your next step of errors !!! Can I know them ?

Well I though I love Sri Lanka is pointless, but at least he had a basis for arguing. You go with "It can change at anytime" argument. If you go by this, there's nothing for us to talk about. To whatever I will point out, if it cannot be explained you'll say, things are bound to change, so will this. To whatever you bring forward as scientific proofs I will say, that is not a proof because things can change, and this might not be the true nature of this.

It's a two way street. Both can hold the argument, but the thing is we can never advance. So I find that not being able to explain what the pair of a photon(But if you know physics, you'll understand there isn't one) is yet, as an error in quran and with the basis you have given, there's no point going further. So until you prove above quran verse is correct, we can't go further. (Because, of the "It can change in time" logic).