Beginning of the Universe ?

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Can the First Cause be Known? IF you try to give an answer , you are really ......... person


It is rather difficult for us to understand how the world came into existence without a first cause. But it is very much more difficult to understand how that first cause came into existence at the beginning.

According to the Buddha, it is inconceivable to find a first cause for life or anything else. For in common experience, the cause becomes the effect and the effect becomes the cause. In the circle of cause and effect, a first cause is incomprehensible. With regard to the origin of life, the Buddha declares, 'Without cognizable end is this recurrent wandering in Samsara(cycle of birth and death). Beings are obstructed by ignorance and fettered by craving. A first beginning of these beings is not to be perceived. (Anamatagga Samyutta in Samyutta Nikaya). This life-steam flows on ad infinitum, as long as it is fed by the muddy waters of ignorance and craving. When these two are cut off, only then does the life-steam cease to flow, only then does rebirth come to an end.

It is difficult to conceive an end of space. It is difficult to conceive an eternal duration of what we call time. But it is more difficult for us to understand how this world came into existence with a first cause. And it is more difficult to understand how that first cause came into existence at the beginning. For if the first cause can exist though uncreated, there is no reason why the other phenomena of the universe must not exist without having also been created.

As to the question how all beings came into existence without a first cause, the Buddhist's reply is that there is no answer because the question itself is merely a product of man's limited comprehension. If we can understand the nature of time and relativity, we must see that there could not have been any beginning. It can only be pointed out that all the usual answers to the question are fundamentally defective. If it is assumed that for a thing to exist, it must have had a creator who existed before it, it follows logically that the creator himself must have had a creator, and so on back to infinity. On the other hand, if the creator could exist without a prior cause in the form of another creator, the whole argument falls to the ground. The theory of a creator does not solve any problems, it only complicates the existing ones.

Thus Buddhism does not pay much attention to theories and beliefs about the origin of the world. Whether the world was created by a god or it came into existence by itself makes little difference to Buddhist. Whether the world is finite or infinite also makes little difference to Buddhists. Instead of following this line of theoretical speculations, the Buddha advises people to work hard to find their own salvation.

Scientists have discovered many causes which are responsible for the existence of life, plants, planets, elements and other energies. But it is impossible for anyone to find out any particular first cause for their existence. If they go on searching for the first cause of any existing life or thing, they point certain causes as the main cause but that never becomes the first cause. In the process of searching for the first cause one after the other, they will come back to the place where they were. This is because, cause becomes the effect and the next moment that effect becomes the cause to produce another effect. That is what the Buddha say, 'It is incomprehensible and the universe is beginningless.'
 

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    Y2K said:
    Ok then I would like to ask "who create the Hithu pala dhahama ? it is 100% natural phenomena ? who establish such wonderful law ?

    Machan, hethupala dahama kiyanne kauruwath hadapu deyak newei. Eka wishwaye arambayediama swabawikawa nirmanaya wechcha deyak. Wishwaya bihi wechcha dawase indalama hethupala dahama kriyathmaka wenawa. Budu hamuduruwo e sagawila thobuna de soya gaththa.
     

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    Pinwath mithurani,

    Just a general comment on distorting religions...

    I am posting this because I've seen views expressed by this person (Harun Yahya) quoted elsewhere as a remark against Buddhism [i.e. http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2775755#post2775755 ]

    Isn't it better to check about people before promoting there views?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar

    When it comes to Buddhism there's (there never was; and there will never be) no body who can reinterpret Dhamma better than the way it was disclosed by the Buddha...
    I am sure it's the same with other major religions...

    Unfortunately forming cults/sects (possibly with extremist views) is seen in many religions (including Buddhism, Chritianity, Islam, etc.)...
    Usually those forming these 'newer versions' do not lead pure lives (like Buddha, Jesus or Prophet Mohamed...)
    It's unfortunate to see people following the views of those distorting the religions, without judging how suitable those people are to lead...

    This would probably result in more & more confusion...

    Theruwan Saranai!
     
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    kalyanamithra said:
    Pinwath mithurani,

    I am posting this because I've seen views expressed by this person (Harun Yahya) quoted elsewhere as a remark against Buddhism [i.e. http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2775755#post2775755 ]

    Isn't it better to check about people before promoting there views?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar

    When it comes to Buddhism there's no body living who can reinterpret Dhamma better than the way it was disclosed by the Buddha...
    I am sure it's the same with other major religions...

    Unfortunately forming cults/sects (possibly with extremist views) is seen in many religions (including Buddhism, Chritianity, Islam, etc.)...
    Usually those forming these 'newer versions' do not lead pure lives (like Buddha, Jesus or Prophet Mohamed...)
    It's unfortunate to see people following the views of those distorting the religions, without judging how suitable those people are to lead...

    This would probably result in more & more confusion...

    Theruwan Saranai!

    Machan I don't want to insult to any religion ...... but there are signs which i have seen .... Lord Buddha kept silence abt this issue ... b'coz some question has to be answered in that particular way .. it doesn't mean that he didn't know abt it but our imagination is not sufficient to grab it

    I would like to tell you There is no Dhamma on earth like Buddism ... it is purely amazing

    I still can not B'live this world came out of nothing .... it is hard to b'live that this is not a Intelligent design

    So I know there is no point of searching the answer to this question ... but i will share my final PDF regarding this Topic
     

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    here is the Book >>> http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=00517d9c11d330ca95af63b7d44918aa3483bc3a3ed53c27





    God has promised those of you who believe and do right actions that He will make them successors in the land, as He made those before them successors; will firmly establish for them their religion, with which He is pleased; and give them, in place of their fear, security. "They worship Me, not associating anything with Me." Any who disbelieve after that, such people are deviators. (Surat an-Nur, 24:55)
     

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    Y2K said:
    Machan I don't want to insult to any religion ...... but there are signs which i have seen .... Lord Buddha kept silence abt this issue ... b'coz some question has to be answered in that particular way .. it doesn't mean that he didn't know abt it but our imagination is not sufficient to grab it

    I would like to tell you There is no Dhamma on earth like Buddism ... it is purely amazing

    I still can not B'live this world came out of nothing .... it is hard to b'live that this is not a Intelligent design

    So I know there is no point of searching the answer to this question ... but i will share my final PDF regarding this Topic
    Pinwath mithura,

    I did not try to criticize you in my comment; it was about a more general (but relevant) concern..

    As I said in my prev. post, my aim was highlighting the danger of quoting from distorted interpretations made by more recent people...
    Be it Buddhism, Islam, Christianity I do not think (I might be wrong) that it's a good omen to see different interpretations...

    More often these new 'leaders' do not lead exemplary lives; but many of us follow what they present...
    In Buddhism; this is how divisions like Mahayana came in to existence...
    In Christianity; this is how various sects came in to existence...

    I made the post in this thread because; the book you had quoted was from some one in Islam like this... Please correct me if I am wrong
    (at least I do not see his character to be suitable for that of a religious leader...)

    Theruwan saranai!
     

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    Everything started with the Big Bang at the beginning... We are all from one single source. There is no point for "difference" in religions, castes... I believe there is a supreme power. But we give a different picture all together and have our own rituals... But basically all the one and same.. isnt it..??
     

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    Yeah ........... i think problem is how we define 'GOD"

    in the near future people may find this amazing discovery .... God will guide humans

    Till then keep your faith :D
     

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    Can u figure out what are the things u exactly see in this picture....??? I hope u have seen this before...
     

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    rpf_81 said:
    Everything started with the Big Bang at the beginning... We are all from one single source. There is no point for "difference" in religions, castes... I believe there is a supreme power. But we give a different picture all together and have our own rituals... But basically all the one and same.. isnt it..??


    Yes scientist have no clue universe begin at some particular point ...before that time is not exist
     

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    This picture is taken from Abydos temple.. In Egypt.. Built about 3000 yrs ago.. You can clearly see those helicoptor, aeroplane, satellite carvings there.. This implies that people used those technologies those days.. I read that ALIENS were worshiped as GODs those days and UFO enthusiasts say, Aliens are the real god.
     

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    rpf_81 said:
    This picture is taken from Abydos temple.. In Egypt.. Built about 3000 yrs ago.. You can clearly see those helicoptor, aeroplane, satellite carvings there.. This implies that people used those technologies those days.. I read that ALIENS were worshiped as GODs those days and UFO enthusiasts say, Aliens are the real god.


    I heard that similar king of teaching in Buddhism also but i can not remember the particular Sutraya ( if i am not mistaken )